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 T8 Fluorescent LED Tube Light replacement, Retrofitting LED tube to existing casing

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post Mar 17 2018, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(frostier @ Mar 17 2018, 07:27 PM)
Replace with diff driver? Coz the driver usually the culprit.
You need to invest in a good driver with low EM, high PF
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how to know good driver ? anyway to check b4 purchase?
usually cost rm15 below for 18w ...

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post Mar 18 2018, 06:03 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 17 2018, 11:09 PM)
H-glory brand, 20w. Don't know what brand is that. Cost me RM 18 each.
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glass type or plastic casing ?


QUOTE(frostier @ Mar 17 2018, 11:12 PM)
Usually it’s the product specs on wattage, power factor , liken output, lifetime and CRI.
EM rating usually not shared unless you requested for test report
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Pls refer attached driver photo ...anyway to know less distortion driver ?

QUOTE(danielSinclair @ Mar 17 2018, 11:21 PM)
hi just wanted to ask..

what's the difference between this two?
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/10pcs-ph...s143539336.html

and this

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/10-pcs-p...s109242009.html

in terms of energy saving, quality of light and compatible with current casing?
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one come with by pass starter...meaning to say just remove your current starter and insert Philips starter ..the Philip led light will turn on without remove the ballast....

another one without the starter...need rewiring the wire according Philips LED tube wiring ...

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post Mar 18 2018, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 18 2018, 07:30 AM)
Plastic type.

Yeah, mine without bypass starter. They had to remove the ballast and rewire the whole thing.
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bypass starter just work with Philips LED tube...not work with China LED tube ..
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post Mar 18 2018, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(frostier @ Mar 18 2018, 08:46 AM)
Hard to see from the image alone.
If got brochure,maybe easier.
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those China LED driver only seldom have brochure....

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post Mar 18 2018, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 18 2018, 10:17 AM)
What if the ballast failed after using Phillips led tube for a while? Need to replace with traditional ballast again?
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ballast very durable...its never failed using more than 20years ...
replace the T8 tube more often than the ballast...

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post Mar 18 2018, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 18 2018, 12:13 PM)
Durable yes but probably not until 20 years for my case. If not faulty, it might be noisy
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noisy? sound like zizzi...zzi...zi...zi......?
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post Mar 18 2018, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(danielSinclair @ Mar 18 2018, 07:44 PM)
thank you. I can't find 20w in Lazada and I also can't find any electrical supply shop in Bangi or Kajang or Dengkil who sold this πŸ˜…πŸ˜…πŸ˜…
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https://www.lazada.com.my/products/philips-...s287881501.html
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post Mar 22 2018, 06:01 AM

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QUOTE(ykho21 @ Mar 21 2018, 08:58 PM)
If you guys looking for Osram Substitube Advanced 21W T8 tube, let me know. Available in 6500k and 4000k. Come with replacement choke.
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how much ?
how is the EM insulation?

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post Mar 23 2018, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(ykho21 @ Mar 22 2018, 10:13 PM)
This tube doesnt affect radio signal like some cheap tube. For 4ft is RM48. 2 ft is RM38. Min 5 pcs/ order
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OK ....over price ...better stick to Philips ...

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post Jul 10 2018, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jul 10 2018, 01:09 AM)
Hi. Need help of you guys.

Where can I find Philips Ecofit T8 Warm White type as it is not available in some of the shops. I'm from Penang.

Planning to buy one to fix in my kitchen.

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fix in kitchen ceiling or under kitchen cabinet ?


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post Jul 10 2018, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jul 10 2018, 12:34 PM)
Fix T8 LED Tube Warm White on kitchen ceiling.

Planning to save electricity and make less maintenance.

All the rooms and hall use Philips Ecofit T8 Cool Daylight.

Toilet use Ledus T8 Tube Cool Daylight.

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any different between Philip VS ledus T8 tube in lm? both 20w?
some brand of T8 tube ..colour may look different even same w..

what's the current light type at your kitchen ceiling ?


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post Jul 10 2018, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jul 10 2018, 04:28 PM)
Both same lumens. Ledus more brighter. As Ledus got 2ft available on my area so put both them in the toilet.

For Philips Ecofit is the 16w type.
For Ledus is the 10w type

Philips - 4ft
Ledus - 2ft

My current light type is the normal fixture with ballast and starter.
Take out existing starter and tube.
Replaced with the new starter and tube.

To fix into existing fixture, the tube light AC input must be position on the left side. Opposite side won't work as the tube light will blink. Trying to find warm white T8 as not all the shops carry this type with starter. Will get the 20w because 16w no warm white.

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16w VS 10w both same lumens?

QUOTE(failed.hashcheck @ Jul 10 2018, 06:58 PM)
If you are in serious retrofit campaign with extra budget, and want do it right; I would advise against installing Philips Ecofit. You will might end up with disappointingly dim room compared to previous fluorescent tube.
Go for Philips MASTER instead. Its lot more efficient and produce better light quality.
For comparison on (nominal) rated output:

Philips Super80 (traditional, green cap premium fluorescent tube)
36w, 3200lm, 82 CRI

Philips Ecofit
16w, 1600lm, 73 CRI

Philips MAS LED HO(High output variant)
14w, 2100lm, 83 CRI
Side by side comparison T8 840. MAS LED HO (left) Philips Super80, HF Ballast (Right). Dont have Ecofit tube at this moment but it perform worse than both on last comparison I made.

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MAS LED rated only 2100lm, but the apparent brightness is still higher than 3200lm traditional fluorescent, due to directional beam nature of LED light, which increase its delivered (effective) lumens.
I can't say for other brand, but I believe they wold perform same or worse than Ecofit for the same nominal wattage.

The catch is it is much more expensive, cheapest I get was RM42/unit (vs RM10/unit for Ecofit), and since this tube is not targeted for consumer, its rarely sold in retail shops nor in non-bulk units.
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Philip mas 14w can produce 2100lm?

i installed ecofit 20w 2100lm....worth to change from ecofit to mas?


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post Jul 10 2018, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jul 10 2018, 08:37 PM)

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post Jul 10 2018, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(FusionXY @ Jul 10 2018, 08:48 PM)
Hi, bright enough to cover the whole room?
Mine is 16W. Still acceptable.

Heard of one china brand LED T8 which is FSL.
Which my condo is using for parking lot and around the building.
This tube doesn't need starter. I wanna buy got starter wan so I can know whether can work or not.
Wanna buy the warm white but only have the 20W only and I'm not confident to order online.

If you are planning to install other LED Tube that uses starter.
The Philips EMP Starter can be use for other type of T8.
Tried the Philips EMP Starter to LEDUS T8 and vice versa still works.

Now gonna find one shop to get the LED Starter Fuse as my LEDUS T8 Starter missing out from the box.

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yes enough....

starter needed if you using fluorescent lamp casing ?
can by pass the starter if you know to rewiring ...
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post Jul 14 2019, 10:10 AM

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i think this T8 LED tube working about 10years for me ...today its down ..
switch on..the tube no light up ...replaced another tube ..its light up ..

so anything can use the LED on the tube ?


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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 14 2019, 08:29 PM)
You can find out the Led DC voltage and drive it with battery or a power supply.
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how ?
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post Jul 16 2019, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 16 2019, 08:27 AM)
Need some skill to do.

2 way. Either use power supply to check what voltage or find out the component spec and running circuit.

No skill, just throw it away.
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post Nov 17 2019, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 17 2019, 06:32 PM)
Just installed 4 feet LED T8 tube lights = 24W/7000K = brighter than old 36W fluoro lights = no hurt eyes reading on white paper. Cost me RM15 per set, ie tube and bracket, from nearby hardware store = no need ballast and starter.

Anyone know how to wire up 2 separate LED lights, eg for a large living room.?
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now got 7000k ? i just know 6500k only ..
can share some photo ?

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post Nov 18 2019, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 17 2019, 09:26 PM)
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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32797464152.html

Sorry, only got a possible link, no photos because too much of a hassle to post one here.

An electrical lighting shop nearby my house also got sell 4-feet LED T8 frosted tube lights rated at 30W/7000K for the same price of RM15 per set = very bright because inside got more individual LED bulbs = consume more electricity.
....... Also got 22W/6500K ones for RM10 per set but not as bright as the 24W/7000K ones. You may also be able to buy clear tube ones = but the LED bulbs are glaring to the eyes if at 7000K brightness.

I also bought 2-feet 11W/6500K ones for the bathrooms. Same price of RM15 per set.

So, I recommend either 24W/7000K or 30W/7000K frosted tube ones for large rooms like living room, kitchen and bedrooms.. For a normal living room, 6500K not bright enough.
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current using Philip 20w 2.1k lum 6.5k for outside ..
wonder 7k can be brightness ?do you know the lumin measurement ?

btw..how do you input the AC voltage ?the Philip one a bit special compare those China tube .

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post Nov 18 2019, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 18 2019, 10:00 AM)
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It's 1920 Lumen for the 24W/7000K LED light.

I think both Lumen and Kelvin can be for brightness/whiteness, eg no point having 2000 Lumen(= very bright) at 3000K(= yellow light) if you want full white brightness. ....... https://www.earthled.com/blogs/led-lighting...lvins-and-watts - What is the difference between Lumens, Kelvins and Watts?

The included bracket for the LED tube light has 2 electrical wire connectors from the 2 end-holders of the tube, for connection to the Live and Neutral wires coming out of the ceiling or wall. The wire connections are reversible, ie you can connect the L & N wires either way, to complete the circuit.
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24w produce 1920 lumen ...the covered area still smaller than the Philip 20w 2100lumen? or IM wrong ?

for Philip one ...1 wire connect to left side ...1wire connect to right side ...instead of 2 end holder ...

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