i think we should let the manipal thread die, so i am transferring this info on the best practice principles for medical school student selection here.....

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1. Selection of medical students should firstly be based on academic merit. There are more than adequate number of potential candidates with interest and passion in the profession from a group of top 5% students in any cohort. (in msia, that is 10,000+ students)

2. From this group, final selection should be done based on applitude, attitude, interest, compassion and other attributes.

3. money should NOT be a factor in the selection process. The practice of buying places is bad.

4. developed countries are consistent in their selection and training process, based on 1, 2 and 3. and thus has the best record of consistent, quality med education....

5. ipta/ipts and many (not all) 3rd world schools suffer from selection and training (mostly assessment) issues, resulting in inconsistent quality of students and graduates.

6. Exceptions occur, but cannot be used as justification for allowing poorly qualified students to 'try' medical education.

Excuse me, I think I better make myself clear. My "not easy" does not mean that I want it to be easy.
We take 8 subject, and our result must be AAAAAAA and maybe one accidentally missed, a B3, then only we dare to apply k?
U think we are wat tom d*** harry result so kanasai and yet despo-ing about studying medicine mer?

that means i shall go for the PMS option lor?? o.....

actually i don mind working as a doctor in malaysia la.... tapi at the moment i say i wan to work in malaysia, then my uncles aunties cousins siblings will start to point their shotguns and machine-guns at me, say pay like shit and work like dog la.... coz 3 of my cousins are doctors, and 3 of them choose to stay in different places. 2 in singapore, 1 in OZ.... but of course la they graduated from those angmoh's med school...

especially today is chinese new year, i got shot again ...

"general surgeon in singapore can only earn about  20000SD monthly"

in public hospitals only, not in private practice

"mandarin medium"

I think they can choose either to ans in chinese or english. btw, if u think he's arrogant, just leave him alone, ur comment sounds quite childish

no, i meant ur comments to yeyechan,  ie

"actually UEC is nothing compared to STPM/A level!!!! That kind of pre-u...please lah!!! your bio,che,math,phy or what are taught in mandarin medium....really cannot withstand your arrogant...If you get all 8 subject As so what!!!  " STPM" ,4 out of 5 subjects get A is enough already lo.....  actually i don look down on UEC but just feel you sound like very proud!!!!!!!"

and happy cny to all the chinese here.

All right.
And Hey Guys, let's stop being too self-centered and let the qualifications be the judge, obviously someone is being exaggerately proud and another being maturely-childish.

And The qualification For IMU, UEC is science and maths A1A2B3B4, so dont feel sorry that you guys are arguing over some fact that is not true....
And there's so much more wrong fact up there, then please dont make this thread a language discrimination thread pls.

Thanks

To: MBBS Siang

Muahahaha....
it's ur mind that tells u i'm arrogant.

I'm just trying to tell others that we uec students ourselves knows it is a must that we must perform well in our UEC in order to be qualified to study medicine than those with stpm and a-levels because we know that we are some distance away from them(yes, they studied more things than us).

We foonyew student take our sciences in english. Bio is an exception. But for me, I took all in english.

We foonyew student dosen't use the textbook published by dong zong, which is in chinese. Instead, we use ALEVEL's textbook in our class. So funky.

Happy CNY.

I'll stop this childish argument after this post~

MBBS Siang, you cant discriminate others based on what they want. Many doctors like the elevation of status in society. Others are vying the money. and there are still the bunch that really put their heart into making a difference in this world.

Some one asked earlier if have no life etc. Its what you make of it i guess. In med school, balance yourself out. And you'll enjoy both of your studying world and whatever you do for fun. My uncle tells me work may be a b****, but its for two years. And its challenging and exciting work. Its not an everyday desk job.

Socially declined for the first two years after graduating, but depends again which country you're at. Malaysia gives the HO very very crazy hours. Unlike overseas with tighter laws, which still is crazy hours, but not as bad as Malaysia. So you'll still find some time for your own needs.

i dont want to compete with the rest of the popuplation. i know im not that smart. that's why i asked about the private uni.. yep , im extremely grateful, but i just want to know if other uni accept asasians from uitm.... if given a choice i would prefer uitm.. um is great, and the competition is tough as there are many brilliant chinese and indian stud... im sorry if this statement came out wrong and offended anyone.

oi, can you break your sentences into paragraphs or not? so hard read lah!

never read oxford handbook?

btw, any recommendations for internal medicine handbook? Oxford seems to be the best but the words are just too small and closely packed.

the question is meant for all thread visitors.

how much u got in stpm trial? i think those from stpm shouldn't aim for UM, if u get 4 flat, better aim for USM/UPM, otherwise u will end up in UMS/ Unimas. (not to say UMS/Unimas are not good, but i guess it won't be smtg u want right)

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Added on February 1, 2009, 10:01 amTHE Allianze College of Medical Sciences (ACMS) will offer a medical degree via a twinning programme with two established universities in Ireland beginning September.

A memorandum of understanding (MoU) was signed between ACMS and the National University of Ireland, Galway (NUIG) and University College Cork recently.

http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?...2&sec=education

it's just like PMC. honestly it doesn't appeal to me since the clinicals is also done in msia.

trial results of 3.92 is quite good already, so i wish u all the best in ur medskol admission.
nus medicine is also open to foriegners, but but it nids band 6 in MUET, which i guess u didn't score well (have u ever used past tense?)

yup, it's much easier to enter local U from matriks

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Added on February 1, 2009, 6:44 pm

3.92 is definitely not gud enough for UKM. and most med students in NUS are not scholars.

there are certain conditions to get admitted into NUS, ie straight A's in all subpapers, gud interview/essay performance, strong CCA, MUET band 6.  there's no nid to cry lar.

It was the problem of the way u wrote
"They don't want our low standard Cambridge or Edexcel A Level. They have their own higher standard Cambridge Singapore A Level"

They want, but they prefer their own.

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Added on February 1, 2009, 8:52 pm

My trial was 3.92 but i scored 4 flat in the real stpm, so there's a chance lar.

yes you are confusing everybody, but you are confused........

wgy is not taking stpm, she took........

english help seriously needed......

being recognised by the mmc actually says little about the quality of the med school, nor about the competency of the graduates......

see my post above......should come out in the papers tomorrow......

anybody still in doubt that there are differences in the standards and competency of doctors graduating from different medical schools?.......

and why many 3rd world med schools cannot be recognised by the 1st world countries......?

btw, anyone saw the midnight news on tv last night?......15% of housemans are deemed incompetent, and had to be retained, some for several years.....

something those of us in the profession have known a long time........

msia recognises more than 300 medical schools all over the world, and they are 'trying to identify where these doctors come from and ask these medical schools to buck up'.........

amazing but true........any other country would just de-recognise these med schools.....

my dear boy, it is very simple........just look at the selection criteria......ie, what minimum pre-u grades is required.......

like in computer programming, rubbish in, rubbish out........

an easier way is to just follow what is recognised in 1st world countries......they have already done their homework for you.......(political bias not withstanding)

search through my posting in this thread, it's all there........

(if you are still blur, like usual, just click on the 'Show posts by this member only' at the top of this post......)

maybe you are NOT doctor material?......

search through my posting in this thread, it's all there........

(if you are still blur, like usual, just click on the 'Show posts by this member only' at the top of this post......)

maybe you are NOT doctor material?......

Housemen lack proper skills

KUALA LUMPUR - THE Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) and Health Ministry want substandard medical universities to buck up, after many housemen turn up at hospitals unable to carry out common medical procedures.

Besides not having proper clinical exposure, the housemen were also found unable to communicate effectively and take down the history of patients properly for diagnosis and treatment, reported New Straits Times.

Each year, Malaysia's medical fraternity sees 1,200 new doctors from local and overseas institutions. The MMC recognises the medical degrees awarded by more than 300 institutions around the world.

The new doctors must serve a two-year housemanship period. But senior medical consultants complain that many of these housemen could not meet the standards and have to be retained in their training for up to six years.

Kuala Lumpur Hospital's Medical Department head, Datuk Dr Jeyaindran Sinnadurai, who handles about 140 housemen a year, noticed that at least 15 per cent of them do not have enough experience to take down the medical history of patients.

He also expressed great concern that some housemen were unable to perform common procedures such as drawing blood for a blood test, setting up an intravenous line and inserting a chest tube.

As a result, many of the housemen had to be retained for their training 'in order to ensure the standard of medical practice is maintained in this country for the safety of our patients', added Dr Jeyaindran.

The MMC has ordered government hospitals, which train the housemen, to record the university they graduated from, besides their performance and shortcomings.

The council and the Health Ministry aims to nail down the substandard medical universities by the end of the year.

On his part, Dr Jeyaindran has come up with a syllabus, listing the core knowledge and experience that a houseman must acquire before he leaves for his next posting.

'A houseman who comes in for training should be able to manage hypertension, asthma, diabetes and common medical emergencies appropriately, based on current clinical practice guidelines, besides acquiring adequate generic skills,' Dr Jeyaindran said.

But, he noted some were never taught this properly during their years in medical school.

"Medicine is not black and white but lots of grey in between, and in order to identify the grey areas, the only way is 'the more you see, the more you do, the more you understand',' he added.

Hello guys,

I'm taking form 6 this year, a biology class which included bio, chemistry, mathematics, and pengajian am. Let's say I get CGPA 4.0 but I fail getting in to medicine, what alternative can i choose? I was thinking of chemical engineering but in the other thread they said physic is required. I'm very anxious about not getting a alternative if I failed to pursue medicine, anyone?