MMA is supposed to be okay. Stop being a pessimist, look into the brighter areas of your life there. First year medicine can't be that hard. Even lousy students go through.

Think about it, not many in your home country get to travel around europe cheap. A flight to London is just at 1GBP! You should enjoy your winter and summer holidays.

well right and wrong...its recognized by the Msians n the Australian Medical Association but the Sg's MA has not recognized it yet coz monash malaysia hasnt produced any grads yet....the pioneer batch of students are still 1 year away from graduation, but i think Sg will recognize it when the grads are out.....its kinda weird if the Aussies recognize it but Sg doesnt....  

anyway good for us....Sg grads working for us instead of the other way around!!!     

btw wanna raise some issue here ah....what u guys think about the medical system here.....like the ministry of health said they are working on a public-funded insurance cover thing, like the Medicare / NHS system....but no news bout it till now....and i think we should hav that coz for average folks.....seeing a 'normal doctor' / GP is getting more n more costly....    

Leeds total tuition + living comes to RM620K.

I know for certain you can get by with GBP4K/yr or 20K/5yr or RMRM100K/5yr in Leeds because it's the cheapest in UK and if you are careful with money. Of course if you wanted to go to London's Imperial College or go to pub every night, then this budget flies out of the window.

And mind you, Monash fees increases every year unlike Leeds which are fixed upon 1st entry.

http://www.rbs.co.uk/content/personal/curr...iving_Index.pdf

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Added on January 2, 2009, 3:50 pm

My own calculation comes to:
5 yrs tuition fee (including annual increase) RM460K
5 yrs living expenses RM90K
Total RM550K.

Excluding London. UK ranges from RM620K to RM750K depending on which uni you go to. All courtesy of the falling Sterling Pound.

In other word, doing the cost in UK is only about RM70K to RM200K more than MM.

I'm just wondering.. but for those of you who got accepted into uni's.. did you get any experience before-hand?

Like shadowing a GP / volunteering at a hospital / etc.

When did you do it?
I just started my A-Levels and I have to send my application off around Sept. this year so I'm wondering if it's a good idea to start now - need to find out how first though

Dang. Does it mean IPTS like PMC and IMU not recognized by Singapore? (even if twinning in Ireland?)

I need an accredited U's as it would help me with deferment letter from National Service. I heard UM and UKM does not accept foreigner into medicine as it already filled with local...

My father's cousin work as an examiner for their clinical year(something with optometrist) said that PMC students are very very  good as they are trained for the first 2 years in Ireland.

There a lot of discussion throughout this thread but can anyone help me with this question (I'm an STPM student waiting for result):-

1. What is your STPM/Matics etc. result when you get accepted to certain university?
2. Any list of good IPTS recommended? PMC,Monash, etc. in term of cost vs. quality
3. How you pays the enormous tuition fees? Loans? Scholarship?
4. Interviewing process?

Lastly, I'm a Singaporean studying my whole life in M'sia.

5. What is my chances of studying in public university? I heard most don't accept except UIA (which I vying for).

Thanks a lot. (I'm applying by UCAS now)

3. Yeah. A good chance it gonna break the bank but I think about only applying just to let my parent know I try to get into the place. Going there is a different matter.
5. I'm gunning for UKM now as UIA is not recognized. Is >3.5 do any good for Med,Pharma,Dentistry?
Actually even in les demanded couse like engineering have many opportunity like my bro who study in Edinburgh. Medicine etc. is a globally in great need as population
is increasing. Just so you know, hospital in UK's have a lot of foreigner.
Another thing, is that mean I should apply for IMU since PMU not recognized? How good is IMU like its tweening partner.

Try to grasp the situation here. He has no money to study abroad and was born in the wrong country for admission to IPTAs, what other alternatives he has besides the previously mentioned "obtaining a recognized post grad" pathway?

So far this is what i understand from TS's posts:

IMU: Its PMS option is too expensive for TS.

UM and UKM: TS can't enter as he was born in the wrong country.

Tell me what other choices he has besides the above mentioned "post-grad" path? Bear in mind that with a recognized post grad qualification, he can work in Singapore via conditional registration.

I am using macleod, but Talley is actually a better book.

Use Davidsons for theory, many vivid diagrams and pictures which aid you in memorizing as well as understanding. Kumar focuses too much on pathophysiology and less on management.

Just my 2 cents. You should read according to your Uni's recommended list.

what kumar book? that 'Pathological Basis of Diseases' book is it?

Thats a good book, if you can handle the ridiculously deep content. It doubles as a  door stop, if you wish. You can seriously injure a person with it.

by the way, for clinical examination books: MacLeod's and Hutchinson's are the two books that I used.

I think somehow, Indian med colleges use similar books throughout the country. I dont know about other countries though.

I'm rather curious.
Does anyone else uses K.D Tripathi's Essentials of Medical Pharmacology and S.Das Concise textbook of surgery in their skools?

Haha... applied...

But I have to be very lucky to be picked, i mean SUPER lucky coz they only give out 3 places in their medicine programme for the WHOLE uec science student in malaysia. So the ratio will be like 1:???......

It isn't really easy going there too. =)

Wah! you sound like very arrogant!!! I think for UEC AAAAAAAB3 this kind of result is a"NEED" in order to be qualified to enter medical school....actually UEC is nothing compared to STPM/A level!!!! That kind of pre-u...please lah!!! your bio,che,math,phy or what are taught in mandarin medium....really cannot withstand your arrogant...If you get all 8 subject As so what!!! " STPM" ,4 out of 5 subjects get A is enough already lo..... actually i don look down on UEC but just feel you sound like very proud!!!!!!!

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Added on January 30, 2009, 12:43 pm

When your cousin's parents shot you again.....go and tell them to ask their child better don be a doctor....tell them to set up their own bussiness maybe they will become another teh hong piow or bill gates....for a general surgeon in singapore can only earn about  20000SD monthly so "pay like shit and work like dog la[I]" if compare to a great banker like teh hong piow....then if their child can be a business man like bill gates....wah...can earn 1000USD but just in 5seconds!!!!! GO and tell your shit cousin's parents ask their child better quit their job don be a doctor.....

ya...they can choose to answer in english...but what they taught is in chinese ok?If you are teach in chinese medium...will you answer it in english?

I mean who want to be a doctor should not be always think about money money and money......If one want to be a doctor dont keep on think of how much will earn.....if you think what i say is childish then thank for your remind...i will try to behave more mature but i think what i am talking about is nothing wrong....Hey i think maybe you dont know in malaysia....government need to subsidise  a lot of money to public health unit almost 70% and above....so you think government will pay more to a doctor who work in public hospital...that is impossible....And this is totally different in singapore!!!! btw,in private health sector in malaysia the doctor are pay high too....so ,what i mean is dont always compare with others because different country different circumstances....If really want to compare with others just compare with the one who can earn 1000 USD just in 5 seconds will be better i think!!!! so,ask their cousin set up their own business will be better..... dont you think so? DOCTOR is such a holy title which use it on the one who can save life but not use it on anyone who are only think of the "pay" and "money".......society need a doctor but not a money earner  

Well from my father's experience back in 80's its tough especially when posting in outer-city area. There are only a handful of doctor handling hundreds of non-stop patient. Maybe its much easier now but I don't think much has change. Getting into private practice iss the best way to live with more time on your own. If you attach with hospital expect call to get back to work even if you take a holiday already.

And did I tell you the pay here is lower than across the bridge? Better go oversea unless oyu passionate about giving back your expertise to your own country..

hi....im not a med stud...
may i know how much does it  cost for med course in ipts?
really envy u guys who already got this course.....

which have better chance of getting med course in ipta, form 6's grad or asasians or matrixs if they got 4 flats?

oi, can you break your sentences into paragraphs or not? so hard read lah!

hey wgy589! edge85 is BDS student not a medical student. So, I think he never read oxford handbook la!!!  

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Added on February 1, 2009, 9:26 amOops!!! Forgot to say actually im no yet a medical student but hopefully I can enter the UM....AIMST is my last choice....haiz...poor guy....IPTA competitive...IPTS cheapest one is AIMST.....really wish that I can get 4 flat in my STPM lo.....but i believe i can enter de la....haha...pray for me everybody....haha  

my trial 3.92(bio A, che A, Math A-,and PA A)....yaya...USM or UPM still ok la...BUt unimas...UMS.....erm hopefully not!!!!BUt my senior tell me he got UKM le....he ask me to apply leh....Oo....dont know how...

Ireland??expensive is it? im not rich at all....Nus is reserved for singapore resident is it?

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Added on February 1, 2009, 2:39 pmactually i get matrikulasi after my spm....i go there for two weeks then go back because my cousin told me...STPM with higher standard if want to do medicine better take STPM as my pre-U...After i come back only know im cheated...haiz...very regret to come back....otherwise maybe i will in UM or UKM already lo...my friend do  the matriks in johor one now 2 in UM and 1 in UKM  

Yes, it quite sad but the reality is that matriculation is easier and some can even get UM while STPM student can't even get to medicine.

But 3.92 is good enough for UKM. Ireland is private is around 650k while to do in NUS mean getting a presidential scholarship. But if you are Chinese then NUS might accept you but the condition/interview is tough as hell. You could cry as what I heard.