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post Apr 12 2009, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Visualize @ Apr 10 2009, 06:45 PM)
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If the oz dollar continues to rise.... like now.... then there'll be a significant difference. The same applies to the pound sterling.
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Even when Sterling Pound was at RM7, the differences is about 15% more. Not a lot if you look at the big picture.

Reasons are:
1. The very expensive part of the IMU/PMS clinical are done in UK anyway.
2. The only saving is the Pre Clinical done in Malaysia but IMU/PMS is a 2.5 yrs course whereas direct UK is only 2 yrs.

And if you are really hard pressed for money, doing part time work in UK give you significant earning to contribution towards your education, at least the living cost part. But doing it in Malaysia, you are paid peanut that will not even pay your rent and food. So forget about it's contribution toward your education.


Added on April 12, 2009, 9:29 am
QUOTE(Cristiano-Ronaldo-7 @ Apr 11 2009, 03:19 PM)
but this is opposed to one forumer by the name of optiplex commenting that the difference is only 80K. between twinning and full training overseas. he did mention, that the particular student that did full training there had to work during weekends and holidays, so its not a real comparison. as the money he earned paid for living expenses. its alot of money saved on that end.
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That figure was given to me by a parent who's children is doing medicine in UK (of course, not in super expensive place like London but in areas with low living cost) and those figure are current. Not 10yrs ago figure.

And no, that figure does not take into consider the part time job pay. So even without part time pay, the difference is only RM80K for the entire 5 years course. And of course, you can not live like a king or queen with parties on weekend and traveling lah.


Added on April 12, 2009, 9:33 am
QUOTE(Cristiano-Ronaldo-7 @ Apr 12 2009, 01:12 AM)
could go up to 1 million depending on what city you are in. some people claim going to melbourne U could be as expensive as 800 to 900K. but it depends on your extra cost. do you club and spend alot of money shopping. maintaining a car etc.
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Places like Melbourne Uni (before the graduate entry thing) is 6 years. Some other Australian uni and all UK uni are only 5 yrs so you save 1 yrs tuition fee + living expenses. I think this is one reason why Melb Uni is more expensive.


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QUOTE(hypermax @ Apr 10 2009, 05:26 PM)
Yup, IMU's PMS programme is by far the best private medical programme in Malaysia. However, it costs a bomb and the students don't actually save much when compared to their counterparts doing full course at the respective universities which they are twinned to.
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What do you think about comparing it to Monash Malaysia?

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post Apr 12 2009, 05:57 PM

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Some people said IMU/PMS is easier back door entry to overseas university. Any truth in that?

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post Apr 14 2009, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(zltan @ Apr 14 2009, 08:29 AM)
As limeuu said, Trinity does not give an ENTER score.

Their marks are by percentage. You must have meant a 98% average which is of course quite hard to achieve. Assuming you take 4 subjects, you can only lose 8 marks for a 98% average. Also, marks are not scaled, unlike VCE or SAM. This means that if no matter how well/how terrible the cohort did, the marks will still be the same.
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I have heard people from Trinity having less than the 98% entering Melb Uni medicine. Several times.

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post Apr 15 2009, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(zltan @ Apr 15 2009, 11:31 AM)
Most people I know had their average pulled down because of English (which is 70% literature and 30% drama).
They will usually get a mark in the low 90s for English and make it up by getting 98-100% for maths/chem etc.
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Fancy that. Melb doctor quoting Shakespeare while operating on patients. What for?

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post Apr 15 2009, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 15 2009, 12:13 PM)
the foundation is for uni entry, not just for medicine lah......

in any case, language is a generic skill, useful in any course/profession.......

oz uni emphasise a lot on being broadly trained, with broad interests.......which is why a quarter of the most courses is actually electives, which can be anything......

so nothing wrong with medical students taking electives in the classics, or drama, or music etc.....and nothing wrong with would be medical students doing literature.......
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While good command of the language is extremely important, not least the need to communicate well with the patient, but the degree Melb Uni requires is IMO, unnecessarily tough.

If one were to get 98 grade overall, it can be extremely difficult if the English is included in it.

For a heavily science based course like medicine, I reckon they can insist the science subject be at 98 but exclude English. Of course, must also have good English grade but not necessary to be 98.

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post Apr 16 2009, 12:42 PM

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Having said that, getting into developed countries uni for critical course like Medicine still need very high grade for the very simple reason they have so many over-qualified international student than places available. I am saying that just in case there are people who would look down on them for just being full fee paying students.


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post Apr 16 2009, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Apr 16 2009, 02:53 PM)
If not mistaken, there are about 100 plus seats for local MBBS programme in IMU per intake. Therefore, 50 is like 50% passing rate, which is tight IMO.
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You mean they failed 50% of the student primarily because there are only 50 places?


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post Apr 16 2009, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Apr 16 2009, 05:17 PM)
Alright, thanks for sharing.  smile.gif The system is surprisingly complicated  sweat.gif
Yup, IPTSs in Malaysia have reputation of taking large number of students and filter them along the way. My batch had 150 students in first year, but 60+ of them were filtered out by the time we entered clinical phase. Therefore out of the current 139 in my batch, only 80+ are of original batch. Passing rate for final MBBS in my school is always somewhere between 80-85%, as compared to IPTA's 90-95%.

Surprisingly, LAN has very strict criteria for IPTSs, especially those foreign owned ones. If graduates from certain IPTS are not up to par, that particular IPTS risk losing its recognition.
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This is interesting. Do you know whether universities from UK/OZ has such high drop out rate? Or is it the norm for all medical school?

And what do you think is the reason for such high drop out rate for IPTS? Is it because these universities deliberately take in more at the start of the course to make money or do they have more noble intention of upholding standards?




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post May 3 2009, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(seiken @ May 1 2009, 01:48 PM)
And this is the rebuttal article written not long after the first: 吳名氏‧醫生素質與128事件無關 | 評論
Something about getting into medical school depends not only on brains but other criteria as well. And also stating that the 128 students were offered to do medicine elsewhere other than local uni.
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I heard some university like highly regarded UK Edinburgh only concentrate on academic result and so far, they are still being regarded as top university.

Then there was a study done whereby it says something like, those with with stronger academic result entering medicine undergraduate are usually the ones sailing through the later post graduate specialist exams.

And there was another reporting saying some top Australian university see there is no benefit in looking for the other 'non-academic' qualities and was thinking of going back to selecting student purely on academic result.

Just writing what I read. Make of it what you will.


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QUOTE(seiken @ May 1 2009, 01:48 PM)
Has anyone read Sinchew paper recently? Have a look at this: 吳名‧醫生的素質問題 | 評論 I'm sorry it's in Chinese. Would be glad if anyone can properly translate it. Or else use the goole translator....

Correct me if I'm wrong, since I myself is not Chinese-educated. My friend roughly translated the article orally. Although it's a bit racist, it's roughly about 7 final year Chinese medical students at University of Malaya (UM) who failed their final MBBS exam and has to undergo supplementary semester. For your information, this is the first ever failure of Chinese final year medical students which has never happened before. Incidentally, this was also the first batch of students with non-bumi matriculation students. Tho anonymous author blamed the system for denying the 128 STPM 4.0 students (the 2004 incident) from getting a place in the local university medical schools and stated that this would have never happened if the 128 STPM students were accepted in the first place.

And this is the rebuttal article written not long after the first: 吳名氏‧醫生素質與128事件無關 | 評論
Something about getting into medical school depends not only on brains but other criteria as well. And also stating that the 128 students were offered to do medicine elsewhere other than local uni.

These articles have sparked outcries from one of the junior batches, with most from matriculation disageeing with the first article. Those from STPM, who are the minority, did not participate although there was a general consensus of agreement with the first article. In other words, the age-old debate about STPM vs Matriculation has started all over again.

Being from STPM myself, I can't help but to be more inclined towards the first article, although I still think that we should not generalize things. So guys. what's your take on this?
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It is common for people to defend themselves like these Matric student defending how tough are their course. Sure, i would wholeheartedly agree their matric is tough but I would say STPM would be harder. It is all relative.



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post May 12 2009, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ May 11 2009, 08:47 PM)
Yep, are you SPM or STPM? If SPM, please do A-level before going elsewhere. If STPM etc., if will be tough to cope with Medicine.
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I don't quite understand. Why is doing STPM harder to cope with medicine than A-Levels?

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post May 15 2009, 08:38 AM

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I heard of a person getting accepted into Taiwan National Uni (?) but more interested in UK's. If you were that person, which would you go for? And why?

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post May 17 2009, 08:05 AM

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IMU twinning to UK medical school. After you graduate, can you automatically get the 2 yrs work permit to work?
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post May 21 2009, 07:02 AM

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Cuba, anyone?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8059287.stm

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post May 28 2009, 03:45 PM

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Turning it around. We know opportunities for medical education are far more limited in country like Indonesia so the competition for places would be even more severe than UK. So would a Indonesian doctor better better than a UK doctor on medical knowledge?

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post May 28 2009, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ May 28 2009, 05:06 PM)
China also have very competitive placing but I think its not depend as much on the person but the equipment, lecturer and method of teaching.
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This is not some cutting edge research project so while those you mentioned will have an effect, but I reckon it is nothing significant for a basic 1st degree in medicine.
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post Jun 1 2009, 06:30 PM

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Guilty by association. That is what every doctor from Russia will be facing because of bad apples amongst them.






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post Jun 4 2009, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Jun 4 2009, 03:24 PM)
Imho, charging rm 30 for consultation fee is not much, medical doctors worked REALLY REALLY HARD before they could sit on the chair consulting patient. If I couldnt even charge rm 30 in private practice after studying 5 years in med school, work in hosp for 15 years, I dont think I could take it. With my salary I couldnt afford to send my children to med school.
For doctors salary, I think the working hours per week counts as well. And yes I agreeee to the max that medicine is still a profession or industry for whatever you want to call it, and doctors are just normal humans, they need to earn a living too, with such hard work, i think they deserve more, and there's nothing wrong with it.
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After paying that RM30, the patient expect you to give some medicine regardless of whether it is called for or not.

That is why separation of dispensing right may also be a good thing. At least doctor will no longer be pressured to give medication.
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post Jun 5 2009, 06:19 PM

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USA: Nearly 62% middle-class bankruptcies driven by medical expenses

http://topnews.us/content/25481-nearly-62-...edical-expenses

In the richest country in the world. What a joke.

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post Jun 11 2009, 09:14 PM

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So it seems, at least for the moment, getting a medical degree from Monash Malaysia only entitles you to work in Malaysia and no where else.

1. Australia. In practice, can't get a internship so AMC recognized also no use.
2. Singapore don't recognize.
3. UK don't recognize.

Correct?
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post Jun 13 2009, 08:10 AM

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Heard an pretty old OZ trained GP doctor sometime last year. He said he keeps getting offer from Aust asking him to go back to Aust and work there.



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