best check with mmc for individual qualifications and housejobs done.....
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Jun 7 2009, 11:29 AM
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best check with mmc for individual qualifications and housejobs done.....
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Jun 7 2009, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Jun 7 2009, 04:24 PM) nz and oz recognised.......but that is previously......there may be a change since the msian housemanship was increased to 2 years, like uk........but spore, oz and nz still have 1 year internships.......although I am not aware that mmc has made any decision about recognising 1 year internship.....best enquire with mmc...... edited for system multiple postings........ This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 8 2009, 05:17 PM |
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Jun 8 2009, 08:34 PM
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i have no privy to the numbers, but based on historical cyclical trends, the new med schools coming on line with graduates, and the numbers of uk grads trying to get in, i don't foresee this lasting more than 5 years......
those who are getting in now, may find the door shut by the time you are ready in 6-7 years time..... that is why the competition for oz (and now even nz) med schools is intense in imu-pms of late.........compounded by the reduction in places, with the withdrawal of melb u, and the reduction of nz places..........those already in the pipeline, getting to oz/nz will almost certainly mean getting jobs and staying on........getting to uk, may still slip in, if one quickly applies after fy1+2........ This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 8 2009, 08:38 PM |
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Jun 9 2009, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(bhypp @ Jun 9 2009, 12:18 AM) if im not mistaken those ppl will enter the med sector as interns in 2012? sth like that? not too sure? starghazzer....any comments? there will be NO break in the output of graduates entering housemanship from melb........it's only the intake, where there will be no intake for 2 years 2009-2010..........soon melb wont be producing undergrads.....their intern chruning capacity will be taken over by swinburne? deakin? im not too sure...either one...and monash's post grad mainly cater for the rural workforce...shudn't affect those metro jobs... new med school in vic is deakin.....swinburne does NOT have a med school...... |
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Jun 9 2009, 01:04 PM
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deakin is a graduate entry med school as well.......so the only undergraduate med school left in vic is monash.......
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Jun 9 2009, 02:29 PM
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there are 2 separate issues here......
1. is your qualification recognised?........in this case, from nz, yes....... 2. do you have rights to work in oz?.......as you are obviously not aussie nor pr, the answer is NO........therefore you will need to apply for jobs, and get work permits just like all other foreigners...... the fact that your qualification is recognised, and upon completing housemanship in nz, you get get full registration with amc, will however put you at an advantage over other graduates......finding a job in oz regional cities currently is easy, they are desperate for doctors, so your employer can then sponsor you for a working visa........once you get that, you are in the system.......work off you contract in some place like wagga wagga or byron bay or rockhamton, and then work you way back to the capital cities....... |
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Jun 9 2009, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Jun 9 2009, 02:36 PM) What if I want to apply for PGY1 in aussie? lol i have to compete with all fellow aussie grads? or also the other UK US grads (which have done their intern years in their respective country). you can try apply for pgy1 in oz, but the chances are slim......there is actually going to be a shortage of housejob places in the near future, with the increased number of graduates, unless they increase the number of housejobs.........Sigh work all my way back, means it'll be like... 3 years? the shortages are actually medical officers and specialists in the regional areas........ beggers can't be choosers............in any case, even if you get a housejob in oz, it will not be in the major cities and hospitals........ |
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Jun 9 2009, 10:59 PM
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they are studying in vic.........melb u to be precise, these info is available to the local med students but not in the public domain......
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Jun 10 2009, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(allen89firedragon @ Jun 9 2009, 11:57 PM) sory for bothering the pro's here...haah...bro...a friend of mine is planning to practice medicine in UK...so as said he need to take PLEB..bt he is from Monash malysia campus will he be able to do it as in the link i provide here, it says, those who took a course which is taken wholly or substantially outside the country....kind advices are req...haha based on current gmc guidelines, monash msia mbbs is not 'An acceptable Primary Medical Qualification' as it is conducted in major portion (in this case wholly) out of the country of the awarding uni.........you may be able to sit for the plab, but it will be of no use, you will have failed the first condition of having 'An acceptable Primary Medical Qualification'..........http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/imgs.asp which is why, i have always cautioned people about monash msia.....and unless the rules changes, the same problem will apply to newcastle msia....... however, it is possible the rules may change......although under the current restrictive immigration climate, that is unlikely........also, with the increase in medical student through-put of 50% over the last 10 years, the shortage of doctors in uk appears resolved for the moment....... |
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Jun 11 2009, 05:29 PM
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it is recognised by amc........but graduates' right to work in oz will depend on immigration.....just as someone who graduated from monash clayton and have returned to work in msia cannot just walk back to oz and work......would be interesting to see what happens when the 1st batch graduates end of the year.........
p/s there is a category of work visa, which allows students to work as part of the completion of their course of study, where that work is a necessary part of the course, eg the 1 year work experience required between the part 1 and part 2 of architecture........if monash msia can convince the oz immigration that housemanship is a necessary part of their training, maybe........ This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 11 2009, 05:37 PM |
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Jun 11 2009, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 11 2009, 09:14 PM) So it seems, at least for the moment, getting a medical degree from Monash Malaysia only entitles you to work in Malaysia and no where else. in a nut shell.........yes......1. Australia. In practice, can't get a internship so AMC recognized also no use. 2. Singapore don't recognize. 3. UK don't recognize. Correct? |
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Jun 13 2009, 04:58 AM
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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ Jun 13 2009, 02:32 AM) How about applying to aussie to work after internship in Msia? that would be the normal pathway open then, as for anybody else who have an oz qualification and wish to migrate back to oz........Added on June 13, 2009, 2:33 am I do think that the grass is greener overseas. lol apply for either a pr, or one of the various categories of work visas/employer sponsored visas...... the process is long and expensive, and there is the issue of getting registered with amc with a housemanship done not in oz......they would normally want a cert of good standing from the country of original registration, ie mmc, and mmc will only issue cgs after one has completed the compulsory service, ie 5 years after you graduate......... it makes a big and important difference......doing your housejob and getting full registration in the country you want to work in.........therefore doing the course in oz makes a lot of difference, as current oz immigration rules stipulates an 18 mths bridging visa for any international student who have done a full time course of at least 2 years onshore in oz.........ie you can stay back and look for jobs after you graduate, for 18 months, allowing you to complete your housemanship........ graduates from monash msia have no such right.........unless you are an oz pr to begin with of course.... |
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Jun 13 2009, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jun 13 2009, 08:10 AM) Heard an pretty old OZ trained GP doctor sometime last year. He said he keeps getting offer from Aust asking him to go back to Aust and work there. qualified GP are badly needed in regional australia (ie 'rural')........private headhunters on behalf of regional health authorities goes around looking for GPs (they prefer those with FRACGP/FRNZCGP) to recruit, not just oz qualified, but also um, nus ones........the catch is, you are contracted to work in regional australia for between 2-3 years in the first instance....... for young doctors wanting to get into the system, this is also an easier pathway.....look for a job in regional australia, and get contracted for a few years first, before working your way back to the capital cities and possible postgraduate training.........but many people have no patience for this...... p/s i should add that the first visa will be an employer sponsored visa, but within that period, one will usually get enough points (if younger than 45 yo) to start pr applications.........pr application on shore is faster, takes 6-12 mths, in contrast to off shore applications, which can take up to 24 mths....... This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 13 2009, 09:21 AM |
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Jun 13 2009, 12:36 PM
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actually, many thinks nz should give up being a separate country, and be another state/territory of australia........they even had a referendum on this some time ago, but the kiwis decided to stay sovereign........
so yes, some states/people in oz actually looks at nz as 'almost' another state of the federation of australia across the 'ditch', as they call the tasman........ i should add that nz CITIZENS (not pr) have automatic right of abode in oz, and accorded pr status automatically, and many kiwis do that........in fact there is nett migration of kiwis out and the population will shrink if nz did not crank up their intake of immigrants........ This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 13 2009, 12:40 PM |
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Jun 15 2009, 11:49 AM
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the clinical history is very important, and will make a diagnosis in about 70% of the time, without any other tests......
med students love spot diagnosis quizes but without some history, it is much guesswork....... some background history should be given, if you look at CPC material in reputable journals, they always give a short history first........ |
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Jun 17 2009, 04:39 PM
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quite agree........
well managed countries do this in this way...... they pay their doctors well....... and they chose their doctors well too, drawing the best brains and abilities and aplititude....... we all know how msia does it.......hence the dismail state of medical education, and healthcare....... |
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Jun 17 2009, 05:59 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « this is plagiarised from here: http://youngbanana.blogspot.com/2009/01/mo...ine-part-2.html the original blogger is obviously a medical student at uwa...... This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 17 2009, 06:00 PM |
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Jun 20 2009, 08:13 AM
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this is called sham surgery, and is practised in various places around south east asia.....it is common practised in southern thailand.....like this case, it is shrouded in either the supernatural/occult or in religion..........
the surgeries performed are slight of hand, and only superficial skin cuts are made..........the products removed are like how magicians produce coins and flowers from behind your ear!........ it's a play on people's beliefs.....religion, superstition, hope, ignorance, and the most powerful human emotion.....fear........ in this case, as he claims to be a qualified doctor, if proven false, he has contravened the law...... except that, like many other things, msia is very lax in enforcement......... |
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Aug 10 2009, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Aug 10 2009, 05:18 PM) they will start residency in certain specialties next year, and subsequently every specialties will be converted into residency system. actually, i think it's the other way round.......Hmm, Imo, specialists trained in spore are expected to contribute to the people there, and i'm sure those who just take spore as a stepping stone and cabut upon completion of their post grad trainings are certainly not welcomed there. so recognition is certainly not an issue here. the shortage is in mid-level doctors who basically hold the service together......there is an excess of consultants both in restructured and private hospitals........ so i believe they like taking in med-levels doctors (those already in advanced level of training) as registrars and junior specialists, and are quite happy when they leave before they reach consultant grade, so they do not compete with the locals....... when the residency system is implemented, it may sound a death keel for this group of med-level doctors who use spore as training ground........... the same is happening in uk, with the more structured training programme.......it means people have to get in a level 1.........and no more at level 2 or 3 as in the past........which means getting training in uk is very difficult now (immigration issue notwithstanding, which is another big hurdle.........)..... as for recognition, many of the spore mmed programmes hold conjoint exams with british or aussie colleges.......so one gets both a spore qualification as well as a membership/fellowship......... |
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Aug 11 2009, 08:59 AM
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whatever, expect more obstacles in postgraduate training overseas....those with non-recognised qualifications can generally forget about it.....and locally, with the plethora of new local med schools as well mass production from russia, expect more competition, and expect employers to look more closely at where you graduate from........latest estimates suggest surplus doctors by 2014.....some new graduates may NOT find jobs.......the era of doctor taxi drivers dawns, like in the phillipines and india.......
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