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limeuu
post May 10 2009, 03:00 PM

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you do not choose you pms at entry.........you only choose which stream....pms or local.......the matching exercise takes place at the 5th sem.....
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post May 10 2009, 09:05 PM

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ah, i see......just had another look at their application form, the current form does separate the pms stream into graduate and undergraduate.....

this is a new development, i guess they need to do this, as there are 3 graduate entry pms now........

interestingly, anu will only accept the b.med.sc as the 1st degree.........

there will be some cost savings......it's 2 years for anu and uq, and 2 1/2 years for warwick..........but an increase in uncertainty for those without a 1st degree, as you need at least a 2nd upper.......
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post May 12 2009, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(sakpn2000 @ May 11 2009, 11:07 PM)
during f6, i got 1 tuition mate who took stpm for 4th times la...he wanted to do medicine but he got some anxiety prob. everytime exam surely got prob like sickness or accident (tats y his both hands got lotz of those blessing manik fr temple)
i really pray hard he is in medic now...
i really pray he is NOT..........


Added on May 12, 2009, 8:20 am
QUOTE(kaiying @ May 12 2009, 12:10 AM)
thank you very much for the advise!

ahh.. im feeling tense already.

at first i was so sure, yes im going romania im going romania.. i applied online and all.. now just waiting for money from my parents..

now you all really made me think am i qualify even to be a doctor..

i was reading the first post when i was overwhelmed bout heart vs brain thingy.. cuz i have a good heart.. then half way i jumped to last 30 posts.. then i felt doctors are really really realistics.. its like dreams crashers..

i might not be, ok, i am not good in academic wise but i have real strong passion towards medic. i also dunno why. and i saved.. not lifes.. but just whenever someone is feeling unwell, got cut, or whatever (during camps especially), i will be the one helping them. guess im better off being a nurse huh.. haha.

and during class, i will be the one understood what was teacher talking about.. even good students ask me.. but when it comes to what was the disease call again? im screwed.. yup, i do understand this will be another nono for me to be a doctor.

i will think twice.. whether to be a guinea pig or take another pre u..

ahh.. i copied down the book list though. will try to read and see i will still have interest on it or not.

btw, i will update some progress ya. maybe first guinea pig who succeeds! sorry sorrry.. hehehehe


Added on May 12, 2009, 2:14 ami've thought it through..

i will stil..

stil not the time to give up yet..

prob i need to be knocked down real hard real hard then only i will do something bout it..

because i went and did a bit of research, i believe i still stand a chance. slim, not a bright choice, but i will still continue..

i will not blame, will not whine, i will live my life without regrets.

is not just DR title.

to me, is much more.

kaiying, gogogo!! rclxm9.gif
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you are correct.........be a nurse........that's my advise, you are NOT doctor material.....

you are NOT 'passionate' about the profession, or saving lives.........you are obsessed with the title of 'doctor'.........the perceived 'glamour', the 'prestige', the respect you think having the title entitles you.....

you can satisfy all you passion about helping people in so many other ways.......nursing, physiotherapy, dietetics, etc......not necessarily as a doctor.......

there are easier ways of getting a dr. in front of your name......you can actually buy it from some scam universities.........or you can buy it from russia, ukraine, possibly romania........yes, you don't need to study, just buy the exam papers, of just buy a pass from the examiners.......that is the pathway you are thinking of going..........you will NOT survive a REAL medical school......

having said that........it is a sad fact that many people with similar or weaker academic results have gone to 'easy' med schools, and graduated........in msia......it's a free for all at the moment in msia.......bugger the standards........

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post May 12 2009, 11:42 AM

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i think many of you missed the point........it is NOT because the JOB is demanding in the physical sense, that people with weak academic ability should NOT embark on the career........

it is the mental and thinking aspect that demands a strong intellect, so the correct decision. the right diagnosis, and the appropriate treatment can be made..........

believe me, if you have problems with just coping with learning some new terms, and facts at med school.......you will have a LOT of problems when you need to APPLY these knowledge in real life, in the correct way.........
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post May 12 2009, 12:34 PM

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shane, it is possible to commit 100% to your studies and work, and yet have time for other pursuits.......

that's where the academically strong student will excel.......instead of mugging 10 hrs a day like the weak students, they study for 2 hours, and the rest of the time, they go do whatever their hobbies and interests are........and yet they score better than those weak students.......

i am sure all of you know such people......these are the naturally good doctors.......a balanced life, and the intellect to do so........
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post May 14 2009, 04:17 PM

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imu cut off for 2/09 is ABB.........
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post May 14 2009, 10:49 PM

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entry requirements matters not to those already in the system or graduated......but it is EVERYTHING to those trying to get in......

hku is highly rated, and healthcare in hk is modeled after the uk, and of very high standard........in the recent survey on top asian unis, it ranks above nus........

it's legacy starts about the same time as uni malaya, in singapore.......and like um>uspore>nus, they have managed to maintain the legacy left from the british......on the other hand, um>um(kl campus)>um has slipped a lot from a series of educational boo boos..........

certainly worth taking up the offer.........cantonese can't be any more difficult than russian........smile.gif
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post May 15 2009, 03:46 PM

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unfortunately, there is no thread for prospective med students........

ibrahim and mbbs and fishnet etc.........you all will need to stop posting here, you are ALL off topic..........smile.gif

pedantic.......
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post May 16 2009, 12:59 AM

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pedantic mode on......

this is a med student thread, so sorry, all you prospective students will need to stop posting here, with you endless questions about entry qualifications, which uni, costs, recognitions of qualifications etc..........

doctors are also off topic here, you are no more med students.........

forum admin will need to take note......

pedantic mode off......

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sigh......don't know why i bother really, it's amazing how sometimes people who wants and expects help and advise can still be so sarcastic and cocky...... rolleyes.gif

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post May 18 2009, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Cristiano-Ronaldo-7 @ May 17 2009, 12:53 PM)
as of now UK allows a foreigner to get the HO years doen, after which they wont allow you to enter post graduate. I think if you're desperate, go marry a local and inherit a UK citizenship just for the sake of getting post grad : )

i have not heard of Australia turning away foreign graduates.
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what, you are going to kill off your spouse?? blink.gif


Added on May 18, 2009, 5:31 pm
QUOTE(wgy589 @ May 17 2009, 11:30 PM)
If i'm not wrong, UK graduates who have finished their 2 foundation years are exempted from AMC exam. It was introduced few years back. can't find the link though.
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that is correct.........it is called the 'competent authority' pathway.....applies to GMC, Canadian MC and NZMC......they recognised that these medical councils can competently register doctors, and hence exempted from the amc exams......you get a provisional registration, but once you start work, they will assess you for competency before full registration is given.......this is a temporary measure, and once there are enough doctors in oz, they will remove this loophole........


Added on May 18, 2009, 5:32 pm
QUOTE(MBBS siang @ May 18 2009, 12:24 AM)
Total tuition fees+hostel+living expenses+flight fare for 6 years+....! Its about RM300k++! Then the agent agree to loan if the money not enough!
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i wouldn't believe the agent, if i were you........... hmm.gif

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post May 19 2009, 04:26 AM

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QUOTE(Cristiano-Ronaldo-7 @ May 19 2009, 01:57 AM)
not exactly inherit. totally wrong word used in this circumstances. but you know if you do get married to a citizen of another country, automatic citizenship is given to you. so yeah , by hook or by crook you still get to post grad in uk.
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i know exactly what you mean, just pulling your leg on you rather unfortunate use of words...... biggrin.gif

it's called marriage of convenience, and occurs more commonly than you think...........

citizenship is not automatically given, you will still have to apply, and due process of naturalisaion will still take place.......may take a few years........then you can divorce....... biggrin.gif
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post May 26 2009, 10:13 AM

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My interest in these threads in education essentials will be restricted to extra-clinical matters....for actual clinical discussion, i will leave it to the rest of you.......there are some very sarcastic and abrasive forumers around, and i think it is best i minimise triggers for reactions.......... smile.gif
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post May 28 2009, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(cygoh9 @ May 28 2009, 06:22 PM)
The author is indeed judgmental about the skimpy clothing and family diginity etc.

But bhypp I guess you dont know how severe the offense of cheating and plagiarism is in overseas universities, it is almost considered as a unforgivable offense that would eventually lead to someone being expelled. THERE SHOULD BE NO CHEATING IN EXAM IN A MEDICAL SCHOOL. A working world as a judge means that someone would have to die/suffer from his treatment/management/choice of medication before he or she is labeled as incompetent. What happened when a doctor does not know beta blocker is contraindicated in asthmatic patients? Chances are he'll kill the patient. Why? he didnt really study during his med school.

You can ponteng class, you can copy school work, but if you cheat in your final exam and shed tears for a pass, it's too much.
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agree.......

bhypp, i am VERY dissappointed with your attitude.......most unbecoming of a potential future doctor.....
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post May 29 2009, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(bhypp @ May 29 2009, 08:07 AM)


in the healthcare system...there are so many levels of checks in place...so say an intern was dumb enough to give B-blockers to an asthmatic to control his bp....the registrar should at least spot the mistake on the drug chart n correct it....if not the pharmacists who dispense the drug should hav spot it too....and the nurse who gave that to the pt would have picked it up....but yea i agree it is better to put a qualified doctor in the 1st place...rather than an incompetent 1....


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checks and balance should and MUST occur at selection into, and during med school level......once a doctor graduates, he/she is like 007......licensed to kill......

during clinical practice, checks and balances should be for HONEST mistakes that will inevitably be made........NOT as a means to weed out incompetent/poor attitude/dishonest doctors........by then it is TOO LATE........

no amount of rationalising about the 'bed real world' can excuse this dishonesty........
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post Jun 1 2009, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(it-int @ Jun 1 2009, 11:02 AM)

About 1/3 the UM medical faculty quit by the time they hit third year because they FINALLY realized that medicine's not for them. It's easier for them since they wouldn't have spent as much on the course anyways.
that is not true........

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QUOTE(it-int @ Jun 1 2009, 11:41 PM)
I'll have to admit that I did slightly overexaggerate the number of UM dropouts/failures/quitters - For that I apologize. Broaden the scope and compare the number of those who enter and the number of those who graduate. More than just 2-3.

I was merely trying to point out a fact that most people do not know what they're getting themselves into when it comes to medicine or any other profession for that matter.
between 10-20% of every cohort will drop out, either completely or retained in a year........

almost all will be because they flunk out.......few quits.......

this is a standard attrition rate in all high quality med schools all over the world....(same in imu, but for slightly different reasons)......

when it doesn't happen in a med school, one will need to ask why.........

when the students starts to quit because 'most people do not know what they're getting themselves into when it comes to medicine'......then it is also time to ask what kind of selection process the med school has......quality med schools which selects carefully have few quitters........acquaint yourself with british med school selection process, for example......

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it is a common mistake for medical students, to miss the woods for the trees.......

and somehow, the rarest disease is easily remembered......
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post Jun 4 2009, 10:30 PM

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for oz residents and citizens, the higher taxes translates into better healthcare, education, social services, pensions, parks, good public toilets, good roads and highways and hardly any toll in sight......etc.......

you pay less taxes in msia, but you get practically nothing in return.......unless you belong to the privileged class and ethnicity, you will eventually need to pay for private healthcare, education, pay tolls for your roads, and hardly any social service at all........you tax money goes to bail out crony companies, lost in projects like patrol boats and free trade zones........and collapsing stadiums........

given the choice, i would choose oz over msia........not to mention needing to work less time to pay for almost everything.....(eg, for a basic car like toyota corolla....YES that is a basic car in most parts of the world, except msia where it is a 'luxury' car!!.......you need to work 3 years in msia, but 6 months in oz to get one).........

don't look at taxes in the short term.....but look at it as what you will get in return over your lifetime.......

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a salaried individual in msia gets very little tax allowances.......eg, NO allowance at all for cme/cpd.........no transportation/rent/meal allowance......zilch........
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post Jun 7 2009, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(allen89firedragon @ Jun 7 2009, 10:26 AM)
Guys just wana ask, one of my friend is doing her mbbs in VMC india and she claimed that she doesnt have to do housemanship in m'siaa when she returns back has she will need tod o it in India itself..? Is it ture? Can she avoid the 2 years houseman year...hmm
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this depends on whether the 'housemanship' in india is recognised in msia......they are usually NOT.....

the reason is, first the housejob there is part of the course, ie equivalent to the senior clerkship or final year of ipta like um......

second, the job scope and responsibility is different.....

mmc will decide.....

in comparison, housejobs done in spore, oz, and uk are recognised by mmc.......

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