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post Mar 6 2008, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(manlokwok @ Feb 4 2008, 11:57 PM)
hi..
I am from Hong Kong..
Going to study at IMU in coming feb.
nice to meet all of you..
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i think your first aid senior is ricky rite..??

QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Feb 18 2008, 05:25 PM)
Enjoy IMU while it lasts... it's good fun. Much more relaxing then clinicals where you're literally left to die on your own.

Heard that the curiculum has changed, and you guys get final exams for every semester instead of at Sem 1, 3, and 5.
Talley's are pretty much the recommended book esp in Australian unis since it's written by an Aussie dude.  Good reading, but don't expect to memorise every thing coz it's so damn a lot. MacCleod's another book recommended in IMU, at least when I was still there, but the old version is quite sucky... the new one seems good though as it has a lot of improvements.

I still say physical examinations are best learned by the bedside, where there are actual doctors/consultants showing you the exact method to doing something. Reading books are such a bore and you can't expect to learn actions by word descriptions anyway.

Gtg now to prepare PBL for erectile dysfunction... doh.gif doh.gif
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really tht bad in clinicals..?? i just went to tuanku jaafar for nursing week... super a lot of ppl wei..and the nurses were complaining that we all wanna go to the mortuary..
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post Mar 8 2008, 12:12 PM

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Well, you can loan up to 150K from PTPTN now. It has been increased a year ago. =))

Annnddd, i hate biochemistry! freaking lotsa stuffs to memorize. BTW any of u guys here took epidemiology and anthropology during the 1st yer of your course? I find my course curriculum to be unique cos normally other med school will only start it during the clinical years. sigh, added stress.
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QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 8 2008, 12:12 PM)
Well, you can loan up to 150K from PTPTN now. It has been increased a year ago. =))

Annnddd, i hate biochemistry! freaking lotsa stuffs to memorize. BTW any of u guys here took epidemiology and anthropology during the 1st yer of your course? I find my course curriculum to be unique cos normally other med school will only start it during the clinical years. sigh, added stress.
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We've just finished week 1(body systems) and I can't believe how much reading I've to do and how much I'm lacking behind already. I'm doing bio chem next week and the lecturer talks like a bullet train and expects us to know everything. rclxub.gif
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post Mar 9 2008, 07:42 PM

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I'm in metabolism alreadyyyyy, helllpppp meeeeee! T.T Anywayz for anatomy, we've got histology 1st, den only goes into regional anatomy. hmmm.
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QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 9 2008, 07:42 PM)
I'm in metabolism alreadyyyyy, helllpppp meeeeee! T.T Anywayz for anatomy, we've got histology 1st, den only goes into regional anatomy. hmmm.
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hmm, isn't it quite weird? cos one needs 2 know the big pic 1st (gross anat) b4 doing the microscopic structures right. Unless the histo u mean is onli limited 2 cytology and tissues. Makes sense?

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QUOTE(senbonzakura @ Mar 6 2008, 10:31 PM)
really tht bad in clinicals..?? i just went to tuanku jaafar for nursing week... super a lot of ppl wei..and the nurses were complaining that we all wanna go to the mortuary..
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Clinicals bad or not? Well let's just say that it's not rosy... Enjoy pre-clinicals while it lasts, seriously... it's going to be the most memorable time in your studies.

QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 9 2008, 07:42 PM)
I'm in metabolism alreadyyyyy, helllpppp meeeeee! T.T Anywayz for anatomy, we've got histology 1st, den only goes into regional anatomy. hmmm.
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Histology first? Really weird... histology as in normal histiology or pathology slides like those in Robbins?
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Histology for tissues only. Regional anatomy will start after out 1st Continuous Accessment. Probably dey want us to learn the microscopic structures of the tissues before proceeding to the upper limb, lower limbs, thorax etc? Systemic anatomy will come in the 2ns yer.

The thing about my curriculum is that i still dun understand why are we taking epidemiology and anthropology on the 1st yer. Does patient doctor relationship or morbidity and mortality rate matters in year one as we only have one week of orientation towards de end of year one? Am comfused here. Cos i thought both of these subj should only be tauaght during the clinical years.
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wow, so many med students here rclxms.gif .

btw, how's IMU now?? heard that the fees has increased again. im M2/01 batch, graduated from melb uni at the end of 2006, currently working in aus. tot im the rare ones surfing lowyat lol.
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QUOTE(tadasu @ Mar 10 2008, 04:15 PM)
wow, so many med students here rclxms.gif .

btw, how's IMU now?? heard that the fees has increased again. im M2/01 batch, graduated from melb uni at the end of 2006, currently working in aus. tot im the rare ones surfing lowyat lol.
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hello, is it easy to apply for internship and job over there in aus as a non-eu ?do u know about the condition in uk? are graduades from the IMU-PMS allowed to do their internship and work as a doc in uk? since i hv heard that NHS isnt recruiting any non-eu doctors, to be exact is it the fact that we,non-eu are hard to apply for internship and job there? thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(wts89 @ Mar 10 2008, 06:29 PM)
hello, is it easy to apply for internship and job over there in aus as a non-eu ?do u know about the condition in uk? are graduades from the IMU-PMS  allowed to do their internship and work as a doc in uk? since i hv heard that NHS isnt recruiting any non-eu doctors, to be exact is it the fact that we,non-eu are hard to apply for internship and job there? thanks in advance.
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UK has completely shut its door on non-EU doctors wishing to practice there. Even if you graduate from UK, you will have to leave UK immediately after FYII.
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post Mar 11 2008, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 11 2008, 11:48 PM)
UK has completely shut its door on non-EU doctors wishing to practice there. Even if you graduate from UK, you will have to leave UK immediately after FYII.
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What if I get a PR there?
I am a Malaysian but born in UK.
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post Mar 12 2008, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Mar 11 2008, 11:48 PM)
UK has completely shut its door on non-EU doctors wishing to practice there. Even if you graduate from UK, you will have to leave UK immediately after FYII.
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"completely"?!,i tot it wont be such serious sad.gif its a good opportunity to practise there though...so what is the condition in aus/NZ?such serious as in UK?

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Read http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=3090
It's already in place for sometime.
Aus and NZ not that strict.
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wow,thanks for introducing such resourceful medical web=) btw uk has always changing the working/immigration rule,who knows after n yrs they will be lack of doctors due to less of ppl going to uk to study medicine. I juz hope pharmacy career is allrite wif us non-eu in uk in the coming yrs.
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post Mar 13 2008, 07:34 PM

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Hello, I am currently in Form 5 Pure Science Stream. Aspiring to be a Doctor or a Surgeon one day.

My question is what is the recommended path to take?

1) STPM > Local University
2) A-Levels or equivalent > IMU
3) Foundation > University


STPM seems to be the most versatile as it can be used to enter both local or private institutes.
While foundation can only be used at the same university only.

The most expensive path must be number 2. But is it worth it?


Please enlighten me further about the pros and cons.
Thanks. smile.gif
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post Mar 13 2008, 08:25 PM

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Hi,

An advice for all medical students.....I doubt anyone else will tell you this before its too late. When you start your medical school, chances are that you will not be exposed to clinical teaching immediately. Traditionally, this begins in year 3, but nowadays, theres a trend to start limited clinical exposure from early on. That brings us to the question of equipping yourselves for clinical practise. Forget the books etc, I'm talking of a doctor's tools. Locally, you can get medical equiptment form any of the local medical bookstores, but what to get and what type to get?

The single most important tool is your stethoscope. There are just so many types and brands and length. My advice, think 3M's Litmann series and forget the rest. Its a trusted brand and quality. Almost every doctor uses this brand. But there is a whole series. So just buy the most expensive one that your budget can afford....even if you have to forgo buying other equiptment! Malaysian medical student all buy the Litmann's Classic Stethoscope.....I think this is a mistake. Medical students in Canada, US all use at least a Littman's Cardiology III as standard! Think of it this is......you will be using it for at least 10 years or longer......and stethoscope have gotten more expensive over the years due to the rising dollar(but in view of the opposite now, it may be cheaper next year!). I remember a Littman's Classic cost just RM130 brand new 7 years ago....how much is it now? 3M is still making and selling the same one.

2nd? tendon hammer? Get the standard long plastic with rounded rubber(queen's hammer)? Or the triangular head with metal handle? They both perform the same...just that the triangular one is easier to hit with and is easier to carry and doesn't break easily. But just get one which is the cheapest....you will likely go through a few of them in your lifetime. But remember, better to use a disposable orange stick for babinski's rather than the pointed end of either.

3rd? Opthalmoscope/autoscope? Forget it. Only posers get it IMHO. Better spend the money getting a better stethoscope. There's always one in the wards if you need one. Else, use it in your uni's clinical teaching unit.

4th? pocket snellen chart. Just get the cheapest one. Quite useful.

Torchlight? Ah.....very very useful. Trick is to get one which is small enough to pocket, but bright enough to outshine everyone's elses.....this one, be a poser all you want IMHO! Get the small maglite if you can afford, but make sure you don't lend it to anyone else and engrave your name on it.....student's lose their torchlight all the time.

Measuring tape? Err......forget it. Rulers? Forget it. Geometric rulers? Forget it.

I can't think of anything that you will need at this point.

cheers,
digi


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Hi all (:
i'm a fresh a level graduate, hoping to be a medical student.
i'm torn between two choices: IMU twinning programme or Monash Malaysia.

i heard that the lectures in Monash Malaysia is very vigorous and the medicine course offered there is good as they are very focused in producing good docs.
on the other hand, i heard that IMU has a slower-paced study environment compared to Monash Malaysia. However, i'm very interested with the opportunity to go overseas for approximately 2.5 years of clinical offered by IMU.

i understand that 'medical schools choose their students, not the other way round'. but i really loved to hear your opinions on which medical school is better (:

other than that, can anyone tell me what are the chances that i can go over to spore to do my housemanship/internship if i study in Monash Malaysia or IMU? as my family is planning to settle in that country in years to come. i plan to apply to NUS med too, but the chances of me getting in are slim. haha.

Thanks a million!
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post Mar 13 2008, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Mar 13 2008, 08:25 PM)
Hi,

      An advice for all medical students.....I doubt anyone else will tell you this before its too late. When you start your medical school, chances are that you will not be exposed to clinical teaching immediately. Traditionally, this begins in year 3, but nowadays, theres a trend to start limited clinical exposure from early on. That brings us to the question of equipping yourselves for clinical practise. Forget the books etc, I'm talking of a doctor's tools. Locally, you can get medical equiptment form any of the local medical bookstores, but what to get and what type to get?

The single most important tool is your stethoscope. There are just so many types and brands and length. My advice, think 3M's Litmann series and forget the rest. Its a trusted brand and quality. Almost every doctor uses this brand. But there is a whole series. So just buy the most expensive one that your budget can afford....even if you have to forgo buying other equiptment! Malaysian medical student all buy the Litmann's Classic Stethoscope.....I think this is a mistake. Medical students in Canada, US all use at least a Littman's Cardiology III as standard! Think of it this is......you will be using it for at least 10 years or longer......and stethoscope have gotten more expensive over the years due to the rising dollar(but in view of the opposite now, it may be cheaper next year!). I remember a Littman's Classic cost just RM130 brand new 7 years ago....how much is it now? 3M is still making and selling the same one.

2nd? tendon hammer? Get the standard long plastic with rounded rubber(queen's hammer)? Or the triangular head with metal handle? They both perform the same...just that the triangular one is easier to hit with and is easier to carry and doesn't break easily. But just get one which is the cheapest....you will likely go through a few of them in your lifetime. But remember, better to use a disposable orange stick for babinski's rather than the pointed end of either.

3rd? Opthalmoscope/autoscope? Forget it. Only posers get it IMHO. Better spend the money getting a better stethoscope. There's always one in the wards if you need one. Else, use it in your uni's clinical teaching unit.

4th? pocket snellen chart. Just get the cheapest one. Quite useful.

Torchlight? Ah.....very very useful. Trick is to get one which is small enough to pocket, but bright enough to outshine everyone's elses.....this one, be a poser all you want IMHO! Get the small maglite if you can afford, but make sure you don't lend it to anyone else and engrave your name on it.....student's lose their torchlight all the time.

Measuring tape? Err......forget it. Rulers? Forget it. Geometric rulers? Forget it.

I can't think of anything that you will need at this point.

cheers,
digi
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Hi Minolta, thx 4 the advice
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post Mar 13 2008, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(PetroToxin @ Mar 13 2008, 07:34 PM)
Hello, I am currently in Form 5 Pure Science Stream. Aspiring to be a Doctor or a Surgeon one day.

My question is what is the recommended path to take?

1) STPM > Local University
2) A-Levels or equivalent > IMU
3) Foundation > University
STPM seems to be the most versatile as it can be used to enter both local or private institutes.
While foundation can only be used at the same university only.

The most expensive path must be number 2. But is it worth it?
Please enlighten me further about the pros and cons.
Thanks. smile.gif
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Never get into STPM if you don't have the confidence to get straight As. It is very hard. SAM is very easy. In IMU, there are quite a number of SAM students which can got over 95%. The only disadvantage in SAM is they learn lesser in depth and cover less topics than STPM, you will face difficulties during semester 1. But at least you have a chance to enter the uni, failing afterwards is a different story. Many stpm students find it hard to get in because they always miss by a little bit. A levels is a little bit easier than stpm (just found out) as they don't need as much memorising as stpm. There is no disadvantage for A levels as it is recognised everywhere where stpm is recognised except IPTA. And the grades to enter IMU for A levels is BBC.
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QUOTE(linkeong @ Mar 13 2008, 10:47 PM)
Never get into STPM if you don't have the confidence to get straight As. It is very hard. SAM is very easy. In IMU, there are quite a number of SAM students which can got over 95%. The only disadvantage in SAM is they learn lesser in depth and cover less topics than STPM, you will face difficulties during semester 1. But at least you have a chance to enter the uni, failing afterwards is a different story. Many stpm students find it hard to get in because they always miss by a little bit. A levels is a little bit easier than stpm (just found out) as they don't need as much memorising as stpm. There is no disadvantage for A levels as it is recognised everywhere where stpm is recognised except IPTA. And the grades to enter IMU for A levels is BBC.
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I see. So that leaves Foundation out unless I am very sure I want to enter a Medical University such as AIMST right?

Maybe I should take the A-Levels path. Got to work hard to get a scholarship even though my parents may be able to support...

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