So I am an owner of a terraced house corner lot (refer to the property layout below)

What is your view on reserving the parking spot (in red) since it is right in front of my house by placing cones there. Reason is to provide a parking spot for my guest or sometimes my own cars if I just want to stop by home for awhile.

Is it right or wrong?

I personally feel that is it not a problem since the parking spot is technically in front of my house therefore the person with priority to use it should be me.




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its not ur right
it doesnt belong to u

technically, that land doesn't belong to you...

From the photo, the redspot is not on the road, then it's your right to reserve.

but if the redspot is on public road, then it is not yours

No one can reserve any place/land that doesn't belonged to them.

ghuzzy loki
Who actually owns the small plot of space?
I am just thinking if suddenly my neighbor parks a big lorry like a refrigerator truck or those with canvas at that spot for days. It kind of becomes an eye sore for me.
What if I choose to plant trees there then, so nobody gets the parking?

stinky
Yes it is enough space for one car without obstructing the road. And that plot of space is connect to my front porch which is cemented nicely by the developer.

cherroy
What if I choose to plant trees there then, so nobody gets the parking? . I want to beautify my house surroundings.

This post has been edited by MEngineer: Jan 3 2017, 10:43 AM

If that land is urs, please make fence so other cant use it ..
u see majlis bandaraya got come and summon you o not .

majlis own it
if someone park there, u hav no right to remove it or even ask to remove it
if u want to plant trees then go on, nobody bothers
but dont plant big type tree, coz later majlis can summon u if ur tree making troubles

Plant some tree or bushes there as my current corner house also did like this way.
so far no people come to ask me to remove the car cones for their parking.

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ghuzzy loki
Who actually owns the small plot of space?
I am just thinking if suddenly my neighbor parks a big lorry like a refrigerator truck or those with canvas at that spot for days. It kind of becomes an eye sore for me.
What if I choose to plant trees there then, so nobody gets the parking?

That piece of land belongs to whoever it is registered to. it could be very well belong to the developer who developed that housing area and for whatever reason, your worries above becomes true THEN you can actually lodge a complaint to the local municipal council and inform them that it was a "lori terbiar". the council will be more than happy to tow it away.

you can plant trees there but you can also be ordered to remove them however chances of it happening unlikely but then again, planting a tree there acts like a double edged sword. it prevents anyone even your guests from parking.

I support this move though, plant more greens =D

stinky
Yes it is enough space for one car without obstructing the road. And that plot of space is connect to my front porch which is cemented nicely by the developer.

Most of the time, people assumes everyone lives with common sense. Not everything must be write down in black and white. When things get out of hand, resort to negotiation before elevating it any higher. It's deemed as a "common walk way" where everyone can use but use reasonably.

Sounds like reserving with a cone is not appropriate. How about I plant potted trees there so that it can be moved for my guest when they need to park. Considered reserving also?

I have a feeling if anybody want to complain to the municipal council that I reserve it solely to me even without consent it will take a lot of effort though. Go report then wait them come survey then get the outcome, maybe need bribe to speed up the process.

When they come to check then remove the cone, maybe saman. After they leave I start again then whole process to complain again.

This post has been edited by MEngineer: Jan 3 2017, 06:27 PM

that land is for "as & when needed basis" to whoever wants to park

you have no right reserving it since you don't own it

in addition, it's outside your fence & not in your gate's passage way

stop claiming anything in the immediate vicinity as your right, you inconvenience others & detrimental to tolerance among neighbours

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[quote=MEngineer,Jan 3 2017, 10:42 AM]
ghuzzy loki
Who actually owns the small plot of space?
I am just thinking if suddenly my neighbor parks a big lorry like a refrigerator truck or those with canvas at that spot for days. It kind of becomes an eye sore for me.
What if I choose to plant trees there then, so nobody gets the parking?

That piece of land belongs to whoever it is registered to. it could be very well belong to the developer who developed that housing area and for whatever reason, your worries above becomes true THEN you can actually lodge a complaint to the local municipal council and inform them that it was a "lori terbiar". the council will be more than happy to tow it away.

you can plant trees there but you can also be ordered to remove them however chances of it happening unlikely but then again, planting a tree there acts like a double edged sword. it prevents anyone even your guests from parking.

I support this move though, plant more greens =D

stinky
Yes it is enough space for one car without obstructing the road. And that plot of space is connect to my front porch which is cemented nicely by the developer.

Most of the time, people assumes everyone lives with common sense. Not everything must be write down in black and white. When things get out of hand, resort to negotiation before elevating it any higher. It's deemed as a "common walk way" where everyone can use but use reasonably.

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For me, since it is cemented nicely, just right next to your entrance, and not on public road I considered the space yours. Anyway you paid extra for a corner lot and that is your benefit.

i don't think TS paid for the land in issue. TS only paid for size of the land stated in the issue document of title which I'm very sure does not extend to its exterior where the land in dispute is located.

stinky
I have the same thoughts as you. Since I am corner lot I got a wider space to park compared to the other terraced unit as it joined closely to one another.

shaniandras2787
Actually it is the same for other terraced house. Each property got space at the side of the gate where usually people plant tree or put their dustbin. They have reserved that spot even though it does not block their gate.

Just that now for a corner lot I have got more space at the side as I have paid for the extra side land. Same concept you don't pay for the land where you put your dustbin or plant trees but it is unwritten that it is reserved to that house as it is right in front of the house. If it is a land opposite the road then I agree you can't.

Plus the trees at the side surrounding my land who needs to spend money to water and take care of it. The council won't be taking care of the tress that we're planted by the developer. If the trees die who going to plant it back? I seriously doubt the council will plant back a new tree for me. Then I live with a dead dried up tree waiting for termites.

So technically I don't own it but it is in my immediate reasponsiblity to take care of the land keep it clean and maintain it.

kengyan
Interesting, what is the reason you give for the complain? Because you can't park your car there? I agree if the tree is too big and dangerous can call the council to trim it.

This post has been edited by MEngineer: Jan 4 2017, 10:39 AM

If the world is that simple there will be no wars or terrorist haha. Joke aside, actually point is other houses also use the land beside their gate and reserve it. Just that it is small nobody complain. But come to corner lot where the space is bigger everyone wanna get a share of it. Does not sound fair.

For example the vios below parked there. You think it is not reserved for that house? If I stay opposite and put my car at that spot I am sure the owner of that house will complain even though not blocking his gate. He does not own that land. So same concept as corner lot. That side plot of space in front of my house kinda off a benefit for me to use



This post has been edited by MEngineer: Jan 4 2017, 11:07 AM

If there is a cemetery right in front of your house and there are a lot of vacant lots, does it mean you can and you want to reserve all them? SohHi tokkok! Take it for granted ---> NAH!

The point is there is an unwritten rule that the parking spot beside the main gate infront of your house is reserved to the owner of that house just like where the Vios is parked in that picture.

Just because it is a corner lot everyone wants a share of the bigger space but forgot that they actually reserve a spot themselves. This is the big debate.

Assume that unwritten rule = general consensus, then for most people out there that the small area in front of your house indeed reserved to anyone that belong the house in the vicinity.

And everything ends there. This is a general consensus, or society norm, which is not enforceable. Sure you can do what ever you want, and you will be remain safe until somebody complaints you.

Also, there is no such thing that that area is exclusively for your usage only because all the above is based on the assumption regarding the neighbourhood agree to follow such norm, but then we always have some people that is tak kira, forgetful, kiasu, or plain douchebag. IF those people come occupy your place, you literally have zero saying regarding your sovereignty on that plot of land. It's social norm after all, not law.

You said it yourself, "unwritten" so it's more to convention and practice rather than who has the rights. In law, everyone has a right over that piece of land (let's just define it as "Area" for convenience) but it is not absolute, the ultimate right rests on the registered owner which in this case, not the owner of the residential parcel itself. It is owned by whoever's name is registered on the master/block title.

I reiterate, it all boils down to reasonableness.

Let's get this straight. You cannot prevent or stop anyone from parking their vehicles on the Area in the capacity of a person "who owns it" simply because you don't but what you can do is to lodge a complain to the municipal council that such vehicle is obstructing traffic flow and causing potential hazards to users and mind you, you are making this complain in the capacity of a "common road user". Your rights on the Area is as pivotal as other road users in that development.

Frankly speaking, one must not mix up morality and law together and same must be kept separate at all times. No one is going to penalize you if the trees fell dead. The law doesn't impose any obligation on you to maintain these trees, you assumed "immediate responsibilities" at your own accord and also, for your own well being because no one likes to see dead trees in front of their house.

This post has been edited by shaniandras2787: Jan 4 2017, 02:52 PM

Offering a solution here - what you can do it to "extend" your gate so that it covers the area that you "want" to reserve. 99% of the time people will not park in front of the gate.

Of course, it's going to cost you $$$.

The housing area outside my condo all reserve their "space" with sticks, wood, pails, anything you can think off. Once I parked at one of it I kena a red note please don't park here or I'll call the police. zzzz.

one of the strong reason i wanna try to live in condo.
even if u plant tree over there, some neighbor are clever enough to remove it.

these kind of problems often happen in cheaper area, if high class one usually quite considerate and understand the different between should or should not vs can or cannot.