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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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post Nov 1 2018, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(djack @ Oct 25 2018, 01:20 PM)
where do you all find the list of these auction houses? im looking for one especially those new developments where the buyers can fullfill the loan
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Cimb auction mart is one of them , you can also google auction “bank name”.

Or you can even search at propertyguru or other property websites with keyword auction.

QUOTE(2387581 @ Nov 1 2018, 12:34 AM)
can loan to buy auction unit?
what are the expected upfront costs for buying auction units? or has to be total price + costs? what about the other parties (bank's people) who try to inflate the transacted price during the auction?
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Can loan but you need 10% bank draft ready to register auction itself. Bring some extra cash or extra bank draft to top up if the bidding goes high. You need to pay 10% purchase price on the auction day itself.

Loan usually you get 90 or 120 days to come up with the balance amount so if you’re taking loan you need to do things fast, next working day submit loan application and chase chase chase the bank officer.

After loan approved, you also need to clear a lot of other things before the bank can disburse the loan. So you need extra cash to pay any outstanding maintenance, land office dues etc. All this can be claimed back from the bank by submitting the receipts to your lawyer, but you need to fork out the cash first.

Banks won’t send people to inflate the auction houses, they want to clear the houses ASAP right now. Previously maybe got some prop agents try to do that but not anymore. They can’t afford to swallow the unit if no one outbids them.

QUOTE(2387581 @ Nov 1 2018, 12:40 AM)
wait, how? all these while the borrower has been servicing the loan. at some point, he failed. bank exercises force-sell.
now there are 3 scenarios...or more? correct me if wrong
- sell at market value. bank earns the $ previously paid by borrower, plus the wholesome of the market value $. handsome profit.
- sell below market value - can cover principal outstanding, bank breakeven with normal profit on interest.
- sell below below market value - cannot cover principal outstanding, bank still chase borrower to pay even though he already lost the house???
cannot sell at all then how?
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3 scenarios:

sell above the bank loan balance, extra profit goes to previous owner

Sell right at bank loan balance - bank take all

Sell below bank loan balance - bank will chase previous owner for the balance amount.

Cannot sell at all then they keep dropping the price until someone takes the unit, usually reauction after 2 weeks to a months time nowadays.

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post Nov 8 2018, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Nov 7 2018, 08:21 AM)
Drop a lot? Well mine 4 years from 2014 till now exact same price. Not sure by 2020 recover or not  painful to see your neighbour who just bought now buying same price as you 4 5 years back
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QUOTE(autodriver @ Nov 7 2018, 11:44 AM)
I am not expert but I do a lot of research before I purchase my first house in year 2015 and it is still booming time. Right after 2015 in year 2016 the property markets getting slow and in 2017 even slower and now 2018 getting worse. My property also depreciated however I bought it for own stay so not huge impact to myself. But it brought huge impact investors who think of flipping.

Don't listen to so call expert, even he was Mr. Dee Sui Hing (guess name). They may received huge comms or discount to buy particular property and they need followers to boost particular projects. Thats why they giving numerous talk to gain followers to listen to them. Those experts or agents talk mostly bull shxt to bluff us to buy their projects to boost their income rather than our own benefit. So do more research by yourself and make decision by your own self rather than others.
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QUOTE(New Klang @ Nov 7 2018, 02:23 PM)
Stagnant for 4 years since end of 2014. But if factor rebate and free goodies, still ok.
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QUOTE(autodriver @ Nov 8 2018, 07:07 AM)
My is depreciated. Some owners fire sales, more than 10% of below the SNP price because the newer phases is selling cheaper than our phase. After paying for nearly 1 and half year instalment plus the sub-sales market, I have loss about RM50k until today. But not much complain because I was not the most impactful one since I was taking it as own stay.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Nov 8 2018, 12:18 PM)
Wow when u sold it off. I intend to hold for many years maybe 10 or even 30 years. But still get the minor heartache when same parcel your neighbours getting same price as you even 4 5 years later
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QUOTE(kenneth520 @ Nov 8 2018, 04:39 PM)
Prices already dropped... my neighbour (USJ 22) landed house .. waited so long for buyer (few years) and eventually dropped price to rm730k (sold).  Peak was rm850k for here ..  and after few months the new owner keys taken still no sound (maybe no budget to reno)
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post Nov 11 2018, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 11 2018, 03:41 PM)
Not really. SG's ageing population is now facing oversupply of property. This is due to old people selling their properties in order to obtain more retirement funds. The term is called "downsizing".

Singapore used to have a young foreign workforce to soak up the excess property. But now due to change in their immigration policies, less foreign people are coming in and this results in a downturn in property prices.

You'll only know these things if you lived there. I was in sg for 10+ years  biggrin.gif
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Pool of citizens aged 65 and older grew to 14.4% this year, from 9.4% in 2007, as lifespans increase and births stay low

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spor...an-a-decade-ago

Malaysia an ageing nation by 2030 — Minister

KUCHING: Malaysia is set to be an ageing nation by 2030 when 15 per cent of its total population now become senior citizens by then – given the age group 60 years old and above is classified under that category.

http://www.theborneopost.com/2018/03/13/ma...-2030-minister/

Property oversupply may persists longer than most expected.
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post Nov 17 2018, 03:26 PM

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In the last housing boom, new home sales peaked in July 2005, and home prices didn’t start declining until May 2006. It didn’t start to hurt the overall economy until December 2007, when the damage had spread through an overleveraged global financial system.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/upshot/h...ng-economy.html

Similar occurrence in kv property market; volume peaked before price. How much it will hurt the economy has yet to be seen; likely after loan interest rate rise.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Nov 17 2018, 03:27 PM
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post Nov 22 2018, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Nov 21 2018, 11:59 PM)
Cheap lelong unit check in.
Cheaper than launching price back in 2011.

Good view. Facilities at level 13. Unit is at level 16, facing the facilities.

C-16-27, Hatten City, 75000, Melaka
Reserve price 🔥🔥RM 171,000🔥🔥
Leasehold until 2102
209 sqft
Auction: 29-Nov-2018 (Thu)

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post Nov 22 2018, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(seongmeng @ Nov 19 2018, 03:56 PM)
i lost RM 200k in my investment on 1 terrace house....
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QUOTE(seongmeng @ Nov 21 2018, 04:27 PM)
i bought subsales at 790k, sold at 740k...... at serdang area....  cry.gif
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Nov 21 2018, 05:42 PM)
Sorry explain to me like a 5yo boy that have yet to attain any preschool...

How buy 790k and sold 740k you managed to lose 200k?????
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QUOTE(seongmeng @ Nov 21 2018, 10:18 PM)
790k + lawyer + stamp duty = 830k
sold 740k - agent fee - lawyer fee = 723k
interest served for almost 5 years = 100k
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Leverage amplified profits as well as losses.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Nov 22 2018, 12:14 AM
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post Nov 22 2018, 12:18 AM

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Refer this thread for list of projects launch back in 2013/2014/2015:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2790042

Majority project completed / completing soon.
How many actually make money upon project completion today?
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post Nov 22 2018, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 13 2018, 12:10 AM)
KAJANG: The slow property market has led to the increase in residential overhang numbers which as of 1H2018 totals 29,227 units worth RM17.24 billion. This was an increase of 18.1% in volume and 10.2% in terms of value from last year (2017).

According to the Preliminary Property Market Brief 2018 for the first half of the year, launched by the Valuation and Property Services Department (JPPH) under the Finance Ministry yesterday, many of the overhang units are properties priced from RM500,000 to RM1 million — with a total of 7,525 units valued at RM5.17 billion.

In terms of transactions, the overall property market recorded a marginal decline in the first half of 2018 (1H2018) with 149,889 transactions worth RM67.74 billion, a decrease of 2.4% and 0.1% respectively, from 1H2017 which recorded 153,526 transactions worth RM67.83 billion.

https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1433371/uns...mes-record-high

The above unsold numbers are for primary market, secondary i.e subsale number is believe to be over 3 times of primary.

Property market is on 10th. consecutive quarters of decline.
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Aihhhh.. developers think everyone is rich to buy unit more than rm500k..
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post Nov 22 2018, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(s@ni @ Nov 22 2018, 12:21 AM)
Aihhhh.. developers think everyone is rich to buy unit more than rm500k..
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RumahWIP is killing them all.
Many BBB UUU will say those RumahWIP are shit place with low quality.

Depending linked with who, my friend got a nice rumahwip with middle class neighbour, same like serviced condo concept, gym swimming pool etc. true story

This post has been edited by Red_rustyjelly: Nov 22 2018, 12:29 AM
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post Nov 22 2018, 12:38 AM

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post Nov 22 2018, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Nov 22 2018, 12:28 AM)
RumahWIP is killing them all.
Many BBB UUU will say those RumahWIP are shit place with low quality.

Depending linked with who, my friend got a nice rumahwip with middle class neighbour, same like serviced condo concept, gym swimming pool etc. true story
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All affordable homes available rental ads in the market:

PR1MA: https://www.mudah.my/Malaysia/PRIMA+ALAM+DA...DAMAI&so=1&st=u

Pandanmas: https://www.mudah.my/Malaysia/Properties-20...anmas&so=1&st=u

Puchongmas: https://www.mudah.my/Malaysia/Properties-20...ngmas&so=1&st=u

Sentulmas: https://www.mudah.my/Malaysia/Properties-20...ulmas&so=1&st=u

Razakmas: https://www.mudah.my/Malaysia/Properties-20...akmas&so=1&st=u

PPA1M Kepong / Bukit Jalil: https://www.mudah.my/Malaysia/Properties-20...PPA1m&so=1&st=u

Casa green (825 sqft is rumahwip): https://www.mudah.my/Malaysia/Properties-20...green&so=1&st=u

Residensi Rampai (850 sqft is rumahwip): https://www.mudah.my/Malaysia/Properties-20...ampai&so=1&st=u
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post Nov 22 2018, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Nov 22 2018, 12:43 AM)
Apa lagi, report those farkers la. Supposed cannot rent right those units.

Btw, you got a site where you post all those auction units below launching price. Damn busy lately no time to check, looking for a small unit for rental below 300k. Studio also can.
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 22 2018, 01:10 AM)
Btw, you got a site where you post all those auction units below launching price. Damn busy lately no time to check, looking for a small unit for rental below 300k. Studio also can.
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Sorry no any external webpage yet. Maybe in future.

For studio unit, actually able to get at 200k and below.
- 3 elements SOFO (i guess this need commercial loan)
- Cyberjaya (Cybersquare, Garden Plaza, etc)
For the above places, plenty of units come and go, so can patiently wait for the best unit actually.

If your budget at 300k, then probably Amara Batu Caves? Definitely can get at below 300k for a proper 3 bedroom size unit.
A freehold property next to KTM station but got zero appreciation.
Is cheap for a reason due to management really teruk at the moment.
Rental at RM1200 partial furnish for 1000sqft unit (with balcony & 2 car park).

Or I will PM you if got any unit that match your budget. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Nov 22 2018, 12:38 AM)
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Given number of auction coming, will have a few more versions.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Nov 22 2018, 01:31 AM)
Sorry no any external webpage yet. Maybe in future.

For studio unit, actually able to get at 200k and below.
- 3 elements SOFO (i guess this need commercial loan)
- Cyberjaya (Cybersquare, Garden Plaza, etc)
For the above places, plenty of units come and go, so can patiently wait for the best unit actually.

If your budget at 300k, then probably Amara Batu Caves? Definitely can get at below 300k for a proper 3 bedroom size unit.
A freehold property next to KTM station but got zero appreciation.
Is cheap for a reason due to management really teruk at the moment.
Rental at RM1200 partial furnish for 1000sqft unit (with balcony & 2 car park).

Or I will PM you if got any unit that match your budget.  biggrin.gif
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U agent for lelong ke? Hahaha
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post Nov 22 2018, 11:50 AM

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buy for stay won't have such issue...
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 22 2018, 12:13 AM)
Leverage amplified profits as well as losses.
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post Nov 22 2018, 11:52 AM

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Recently I see ad sign that says RM 1000 can own a house
Probably a sign of panic selling already
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post Nov 22 2018, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(viex @ Nov 22 2018, 11:52 AM)
Recently I see ad sign that says RM 1000 can own a house
Probably a sign of panic selling already
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This is very common if you buy direct from developer.
Coz they are able to offer you high discount / rebate.
But all already mark up into the price of course.
You will end up need to make higher loan repayment monthly.
Some even able to get cash back 50k for example for you to do renovation or buy a car with cash.
Good luck.
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post Nov 22 2018, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 22 2018, 01:40 AM)
Given number of auction coming, will have a few more versions.
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Not so soon.

Now PH govt has slowed down the new launches and the subsales.

Purchasers need to grind and pay while not enjoying profit.
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Any good offer for condo within 5km from University Malaya?

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