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post Jan 11 2017, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 11 2017, 09:08 AM)
Ok, this is what I'm taught + what I try to practice

Rebalancing - Say the intended allocation to global/developed market funds is 15%; and at the moment it forms 18% of my portfolio; so I would switch out the excess 3% into other allocation which is currently less than intended allocation, say Malaysia equities and Msia bonds.

For accumulation phase, the 'rebalancing' can be done through VCA; instead of buying various funds using intended allocation; I'd stop buying global/developed market funds and focus on the under performing allocation like MY EQ and MY FI until it goes back to my intended allocation

As to how to tell if a fund is the top pick of the segment - do peer comparison lor. Now I like to use https://iportfolio.com.my/screen
But don't jump ship every month or quarter la; the fund performance tend to fluctuate depending on fund manager's strategy. ponzi 1.0 is a good example; if you look at 3 years returns it's not fantastic; but 5 year and 1 year is quite good
On cari chinese forum the FSM rep say all members are entitled to 1 packet; even the platinum members. And for those people who registered for 14/1 event, there would be a pack in the goodie bag as well
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Hi I am starting my first investment and looking for first find to buy. It seems ponzi 1 is most recommmended as first fund but I can't find in FSM list. Can u share wher to buy ponzi 1?
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post Jan 11 2017, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 10:49 AM)
Affin Hwang Select Asia ex Japan Quantum Fund

There are other recommended fund as well, study them before making decision smile.gif
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I c. Is it good for long term investment? My objective is long term. How about kenanga growth? I see some ppl recommmed in here too. I can only start with 1 first haha

QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 11 2017, 10:50 AM)
it is there. i just look through their list just now. try to look again.
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Ok thnx.
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post Jan 11 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 11:02 AM)
I will suggest you not to directly invest into equity funds first without understanding what you invest smile.gif

Recommend you to put your fund in Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund first , to generate some stable return in fixed income, while spending some time to understand your possible choice of equity fund investment to prevent rash decision that resulted in dismay losses smile.gif
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But it has highest return. And fund is not like stock market where my investment can down to 0 right?
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post Jan 11 2017, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 11 2017, 11:17 AM)
it does and it looks so great. now, to take you to the other side of the mirror, you willing to lose as much as you potentially earn? can you really stomach that? 10% profit also would mean 10% loss. it's all about how well your stomach can take it. not literally, not so much how much returns you can take.

however, with that being said, we have a wide range of school of thoughts here so go with whichever you find most suitable.
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Don't care. I'm joining u guys wagon and go for maximum return. Anyway I'm not investing all my money lol. I have allocated savings in others like amanah saham.

Only investing in funds with investment budget about 10% of my income. Is it good strategy? I just read a book about asset diversification and try to follow.
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post Jan 11 2017, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 11:21 AM)
You must also understand the risk of the fund as well

Some funds' having too much risk that dont worth the return

You need to understand more about the performance data as well as their underlying investment philosophy, combined with you understanding on your risk appetite to understand which fund can best make your money work the hardest smile.gif

You want high return, RHB gold and general have 1 year 62% return, but it can go down 62% as well, are you willing to risk putting your money into this kind of instrument? laugh.gif
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I read a book says long term it will average out. Is it true? So based on your recommend with 10 yrs track record should be not so volatile. As well as my goal in long term invest will further reduce the risk right?
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post Jan 11 2017, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 11:26 AM)
For that you need to understand which fund's region or sector have the future or potential to generate the maximum return you are seeking for, that you need to study it smile.gif

Investing in 1 fund without understanding it, you are at risk in investing in a potential stagnant market that net you miserable return
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After taking your advice I read the product sheet of kenanga growth vs affin hwang to understand more and decide to go with affin due to they invest in larger market segment. So the fund manager have flexibility to invest other market if one is going down. For kenanga only invest Malaysia the fund manager will have losing options when Malaysia market down.

Am I doing it right?
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post Jan 11 2017, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 11 2017, 01:07 PM)
Yes. That's right. So if Malaysia economy continue to drop further Kenanga die die must continue invest in Malaysia. UP to you to think Malaysia can recover or not or go further down.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 01:16 PM)
Yes smile.gif

Besides ponzi 1, you may compare and consider other funds which cover similarly such as ponzi 2, GEM and other recommended funds smile.gif
similar to Malaysia, if the country economy suffer, you have no where to run

If you want to go for single country fund, try set up several funds that represent different countries like china fund, India fund and us fund into one portfolio smile.gif
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Thnx for clarify. Another question after read the fund fact sheet it mention "as the fund is to achieve medium to long term capital appreciation the fund is not expected to make distribution."

What does this mean? As what I understand from mutual fund is at end of the yr, they will distribute dividend and reinvest back then I will gain in total units. Does this mean I buy 100 units and at end of 10 yr I still remain 100 units? Like that not worth la
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post Jan 11 2017, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 11 2017, 01:41 PM)
shit have you read through page one? it's all in there!  come on now much as we want to help new investors but there's a fine line between spoon feeding and knowledge sharing.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 11 2017, 01:47 PM)
Dividend or no dividend it's not important. Why? A fund can give 10% dividend every year and if the NAV never goes back up, dividend is useless. After dividend, your NAV will drop by the same amount.
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Yea actually I read Liao the first few page but due to first time invest need to be sure I understand corrwctly. I am used to the idea of dividend so when it says no distribution make me confuse.

Just to clarify the ponzi 1 is no distribution so it means the NAV will continue up but not like fund with distribution that go up and down every yr right?
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post Jan 11 2017, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jan 11 2017, 03:32 PM)
Got capital appreciation mah...
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can explain a bit on the capital appreciation?

As long term investor I plan to use the power of compounding but cant understand how it can work in no distribution fund.

I am quite expert in the gain from distribution and no distribution already and understand that they are the same but when compounding comes I canot find the benefit. Plz help me icon_question.gif

Example with distribution:

I invest 100 unit and gain 10% dividend - next yr I have 110 unit and continue the compound on my unit.

But without distribution,

I invest 100 unit and return is 10% it will only up in the NAV price. I don't actually get any return? SO the next yr I am still with 100 unit and depending on the performance I will only gain when sell. So I cant reinvest my gains for the year? It will be like stock market looking at buy low sell high with no benefit for long term other than hope the asset of the fund to go up?

Maybe I have some concept wrong here.
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post Jan 11 2017, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 11 2017, 04:43 PM)
There is no difference. It's all about money on paper. Nav increases, you also increase in paper gain. Distribution revested, it's also paper gain. And mathematically they are directly related.

If you want to convert paper gain to real money, just sell part or all the units.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 04:45 PM)
If no distribution, your unit holding doesn't change, but NAV increase means your fund value increase

For example u use rm 1k bought 2k units at NAV 50 sen each

One year later, nav raise to 54 sen, your fund value now worth 2k times 54 sen equals rm 1080, 8% return, this is capital appreciation in mutual funds
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Ok I think I get it. So I shouldn't compare mutual investment to the compound interest from fd. I think I mix up the concept.

For fund if have good return and suddenly 1 yr drop big % I might lose all my gains through previous year. So isn't it long term invest will have higher risk for a big market drop?

So the annual returns we talking about never actually mean anything until we sell?
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post Jan 11 2017, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 11 2017, 05:17 PM)
Yes. That's true. Which means it's time to topup. If you panic and sell, you will make a loss.
Of course how big is big? If you are talking about eg 2008, all country affected. Cannot run anywhere. In the long term, market will always go up.
If you want to minimize loss, you can have a self cut-off point. Say once a fund make 10% profit, sell it off/just sell the profit. Another one is look at signs of the market. These one I cannot tell as I myself also don't know them.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 05:18 PM)
This is why aside from performance data, you need to understand the market and funds' fundamental to see which fund is good, can still perform despite market down turn and can gain better return over long term to preserve what you gain previously while still gaining potential return smile.gif
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 11 2017, 05:18 PM)
That's why some of the investors are advocating idea of skimming the profit, ie sell the units corresponding to the profit amount and invest it somewhere else.

For me, I think that's is effectively the same as scaling down ( a bit ) the investment on the previously performing funds and thereby reducing the risk, but also mean reducing the possibility of making bigger gain. Can't totally be risk free, a bigger market drop will still wipe out the previous years gain.
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QUOTE(fense @ Jan 11 2017, 05:57 PM)
I think You can not describe it as anual return, it depend on market, up or down. how mich u earn on paper only, if u did nt sell it.

FD compounding interest if FIXED but got lock in period, Fund is something does not have lock in period.
You can look Fund as a stock Market, but the best things is, u can sell anything u like wihout wait for a buyer.
Dividen from fund is not very mich significant, normally less than 5 % ande NAV drop still take sometime to gain back like previous.
Bond Fund is something more safe with some constant gain over year with minimal risk.

that Why SAT form had give you some idea, what kind of investor u suppose is and what fund u should invest. this is the basic of our own profolio. We are our own MANAGER for the money we invested.
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Ok thnz Sifus for taking time to reply
Noob like me. I think I'm getting expert liao.
The principle I should use here is the dollar cost average instead of compounding.

Anyone research before which has better return over long run? I mean slow steady compounding over 20 yrs with 6% return in amanah saham or dollar cost average over long term in the market?


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post Jan 11 2017, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 11 2017, 07:00 PM)
If you can ONLY buy one fund, I suggest either the CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund or the RHB Asian Income Fund.

KGF is also OK but not diversified enough for a single holding.

On that note, KGF is green since Dec 27! The only fund to be green in every single day since then, even in the days KLCI and other local benchmarks were down.
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Yea I think I will need diversify my fund after learning more now to reduce risk. Need research more on the fund u mention.

QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 11 2017, 07:05 PM)
DO NOT CARE ABOUT DIVIDEND IN UNIT TRUST FUND. IT IS A CON!!!

Seriously man. Your net value before and after is exactly the same. It makes zero difference unless you are using the dividend as your income, which is what old people do.
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Yep I realise now. It is different from fd interest which I'm used to due to fd I get the return every year but mutual fund is only realise after sell.
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post Jan 11 2017, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 11 2017, 07:15 PM)
No you don't understand man. What do you mean realise after sell? Dividends don't matter, no matter you sell or you don't sell. Many companies with underperforming funds like Amanah Saham and Public Mutual are conning the public by declaring "good dividends". My own relatives are shocked when I tell them dividends don't mean anything except in the ASNB fixed priced funds.
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I mean I understand that fund investing doesn't matter what happens in between whether have dividend or not. What matters is the end when u sell it. Then that time get real return.

Different concept from fd where the period matters.
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post Jan 12 2017, 10:09 AM

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Hey guys.

I think I have a different investment strategy after a Alyzing few funds. I have about 500-1000 per month to invest and initially thought only 1 fund to invest. Now I think I should spread the money into few funds. That is better strategy right?

I look at bond funds and the return seems good compare to fd and is secure. Which bond/fix income fund is recommmend? I look at amanah income trust fund looks not bad with yearly return of 8-10%
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 12 2017, 10:11 AM)
go take a look at recommended funds and more times than most you won't go wrong from there. the bonds in here are esther teo fund, anita mui bond fund. i might have missed out some others.
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Y put so many funny name for the fund haha

QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 12 2017, 10:22 AM)
Please show the hyperlink. Thank you.
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Is in the FSM fact sheet/prospectus/annual report. Some yearbrecorded lower like 6% la but average the return is not bad
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post Jan 12 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 12 2017, 11:17 AM)
You can stick with 4 funds.
1 Asia Pacific funds/Balanced AP fund
1 US based fund
1 REITS fund
1 bond fund
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Thnx sifu. Need complete research before end of month so when money come in can start hehe
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 12 2017, 12:04 PM)
It does annualized to 8-10% in 5 years tongue.gif

However, thats very volatile as a bond fund laugh.gif
If you decide to follow Ramjade's allocation as below:
I suggest you the following portfolio:

CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR / RHB Asian Income Fund
Manulife Investment U.S. Equity Fund / TA Global Technology Fund
AmAsia Pacific REITs - Class B (MYR) / Manulife Investment Asia-Pacific REIT Fund
Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund - MYR /  Libra AsnitaBond Fund
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Thnx. Cimb income fund is very misleading because it is equity and not income.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 12 2017, 12:49 PM)
What's there midleading? It's clearly stated on the FSM page equity. If income = bond fund. Even RHB is equity + bond fund = balanced fund.
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U r right. Haha. I think research took much until head not straight liao. Need some rest.
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post Jan 12 2017, 04:44 PM

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Is there advantage I can take of the FSM 1% newbie charge?
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post Jan 12 2017, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 12 2017, 04:45 PM)
usual charge is 2%, you get 1%. tell me is there an advantage or not.
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Yala. I mean like trick to take advantage of the 1% period. Maybe there is none but just in case have a trick.

Like invest in diverse or something. But I think is no difference since money I put in is limited haha

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