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post Dec 30 2016, 05:57 PM

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Anyone invested in PRS?
I want to ask about AMPRS. what is the different between Class I and Class D?
In fundsupermart only class D.
from PPA website, best perforamce for past one year is AMPRS Asia Pacific REITs Class I. more than 10 percent this year.

Mine was Affin Hwang PRS Growth, normal perforamce for pass 3 years, lesser than 6 persent

I am planning to Transfer IN all my affin Hwang into Fundsupermart. Clienthelp infrom it take 2 months to complete transfer. Anyone tried transferred before?

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post Dec 30 2016, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 30 2016, 06:05 PM)
Have you searched and read up on their product highlight sheet? AMPRS Asia Pacific REITs Product Highlight Sheet @ 7th October 2016
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Thanks. did saw Class I in Fundsupermart. Never think can found iin Class D product highlight.

That is mean not possible to buy class I...
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post Dec 30 2016, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 30 2016, 06:17 PM)
I didn't see it  blink.gif

Where is it?  blink.gif
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I mean I did not...sorry for type too fast..
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post Dec 30 2016, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 30 2016, 06:27 PM)
But they are essentially the same (no SC) and invest the same way smile.gif

The only difference is the 0.25% management charge laugh.gif
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Similar return with Higher expenditure of maintainace mega_shok.gif

as you can see below.
But this fund is new? in PRS fund... never rated in MorningStar yet sweat.gif


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post Dec 30 2016, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 30 2016, 06:37 PM)
"not too good" English
VS
"not too good" maths / Excel
kua hehhe

English: $10K dropped to $5K and recovers 6%

Which maths fits English:
$10K +6%
VS
dropped to $5K + 6%

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for clarity, perhaps:
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BYt...dit?usp=sharing
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Evidence of table is easier to make ppl understand
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post Dec 30 2016, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 30 2016, 06:48 PM)
This PRS funds actually feed from the mother fund (AMASIA PACIFIC REITS - CLASS B (MYR))
After some thought, get what you mean tongue.gif

Still switch or not it depends on how you understand the fundamentals and which give better future potential

If the original fund can't perform further or inferior compared to its peer (if you switched), then original stay put might not be the best option

Ultimately, it still depends on further analysis and monitoring before deciding whether making the switch is worthwhile smile.gif

ps for the short circuit laugh.gif
You need to compare the funds by sector and region to see which fund house/platform provide better potential and return smile.gif
This you need to ask AmInvestment laugh.gif
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Ya, I know. I am aiming tax relief. Since 3 year in Affin Hwang, no as good as expected, time to Jump ship.
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post Dec 31 2016, 09:00 AM

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Thanks.
I do look on B n C.
No more confident on Malaysia Market. cut down my profolio on Msia.

I do agree conservative is not a choice. But PRS got a Age limit, for core fund, wheb more than 40, must take core fund from moderate with others none core fund.

I never try to switch between fund house for PRS, but is possible only after u invested more than a year.
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post Dec 31 2016, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 31 2016, 09:31 AM)
You mean after age 40, they will forcefully convert all your unit from growth to moderate or conservative in similar trends?  blink.gif

I thought PRS you either follow their age portfolio or your own choice of fund and stick with it?  blink.gif
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Maybe I understand wrongly. It was an 'OR'

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post Dec 31 2016, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 31 2016, 11:59 AM)
er.. PRS has AGE LIMIT?
those are GUIDELINES of funds for certain age brackets lar

U do know it's up to the individual right? it's not a legal thing/law in choosing whatever PRS
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Ya, now I know. Was confused by the Affinhwang agent.

That why I am thinking of transfer out, because they can give an suggestion on others fund house. Fundsupermart still more convenient, can ask client help online and easier to monitor. Also with the reward program.

It seem like no much point to stay on a specific fund manager, unless we are lazy to search for more money/potential higher profit.
I am don't like to walk into branches, online transaction still more preferable.

AffinHwang always give me a not so true suggestion. The manager been suggested some fund base on their company analysis, bit 3 out of 4 lose, even I waited 2-3 years. Even been follow the internal new in AffinHwang I-access still same..

In fundsupermart, 80% if suggestion will have significant profit. That why few of my fund have double digit profit.


Investment really need to make study, can not just simply follow. At the end, opinion is a references not a guideline.

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post Dec 31 2016, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 31 2016, 01:45 PM)
Because you are not comparing the same timeline. For comparison, you need to start from same timeline. Even if you use FSM chart, if will start from same timeline.
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I think your calculation is wrong
10k with 100% gain = 10k+ (10kX100%)= 20k
10k with 6 percent gain =10k + (10kx6%)=10600

The ever best performance over time I ever seen for less than 5 years is ~30% after minus management fee and others.

The scenario above will never had that profit, no matter u swift or not.

For me, If a Fund lose More than 20%, no sign of gain in 6mths, I will rather sell it. If market analysis got chance of gain, I will top up to balance the lose.

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post Jan 4 2017, 12:24 PM

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thesnakeif lumpsum invest 160k
can meet Fundsupermart client help for propsed a profolio alrdy.

Truely it is dangerous when u post such question in forum, sure a lot of agent will PM yoi personally or finding ur phone number now. haha

like me small fish, agent malas nak layan, better invest and self study.
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QUOTE(wonglokat @ Jan 4 2017, 10:59 AM)
Hey all, if I switch sell RHB funds to CMF will I incur the RM25 charge?
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You should read Fundsupermart everything to get stadt. their guide have a very good mapwork for u understand the whole games
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post Jan 4 2017, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 4 2017, 01:06 AM)
Good point on placing in cash management fund instead of partially in FD to max out the tier discount

Ok, I don't know what is the right way, but this is how I did it second time around after I learn from mistakes from the first time

1. Decide on your portfolio - lots of links provided by others and FSM articles are great place to start
2. Stick to max 6-7 funds - This is the toughest for me; always itchy hand want to try out flavor of the month
3. Open your account with FSM; make full use of the 30 days new account benefit
4. I agree with some other comments - dont put in everything lumpsum - set up RSP for all the funds you intended within the first 30 days of acct opening and you get 1% sales charge for the first 6 months. RSP tends to even out your cost, won't be entering at the lowest, but won't be the highest as well. Besides, would suit your schedule, don't need to look at when to buy, just let the RSP run on its own
5. Rebalance after a year or so

All the best and ask away. Many are here to help
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why must max stick to 6-7 fund only?
I had near 20 funds now, it balanced my profolio, single fund drop wont cause much chabge for me, still averange I have positive profit. It earn slowed but it diversified.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2017, 12:40 PM)
we are talking about malaysia unit trusts where choices are very limited as compared to Singapore and Hong Kong.

any more than 7 to 9 funds (I have 9 funds) you will be investing in funds that over lap each other which beats the purpose of diversification.

example.

Rhb asian income fund
Ponzi 2.0
Affin hwang select bond fund.

all three I have and all three are within the same geography. so I lump all three as one within my portfolio. eg 50% goes into Asia ex Japan. within that 50% I divert to three funds
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understand. diversify, should not only on geograaphy, isnt? there is still sector/ nature of buisnesess.
even though got a lot of fund but all in similiar sector, all will crash together when that respective area crush.
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post Jan 4 2017, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 4 2017, 12:44 PM)
I don't believe in having 20 funds. I do believe in there's such thing called over-diversifying.

I do want better gains, at higher risk.

I have 7 funds including 2 bond funds, it's more than enough for me.
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ya, that why profolio is always vary falloww person peferences.
I aim capital apperiaciation with gain.
I had family, can't afford too much risk, I do park some emergency fund in bond/CMF.

MONEY management is so ccomplicated when maarket is messy...

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post Jan 4 2017, 01:03 PM

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Sometime I do afraid OVER Diversify,
I was like a chance investor, buy when market bad.

As I am still young in investment, after 3 years learning.. my porfolio become like this

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After post, I count back. I had 25 FUNDs....lol
maybe it does too over. haha.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2017, 12:59 PM)
do note that placing emergency fund into CMF is not instant cash out. there's a lag time. same with bond fund.
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ya, understand, that y part, not all.
It happend when there is market crush, I top up/buy in, and have very significant earned, very ambuvalent to let go.
I aiming liquefied some cash abnd reduce top up this year.

if school had teaching proper investment last time, maybe now not so much struggle. Most Malaysian start investment/planning retirement late..

Now I just knw retire at age of 40s is not so possible. haha
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2017, 01:08 PM)
dude. that's way too many correlations there. eg

your develop markets and Japan, global with ASEAN and Singapore and greater  China. global with Europe including UK.
way too many correlations there and you spread yourself too thin. 2% into each geography. how much is that? at the end of the day you make no returns.
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Most of it I brought on 1% promotion/0.58 during national days.
those develop market all have double digit profit now.
esp europe incculded uk, brought when BREXIT, less than a year got double digit..too bad not invested much that timee.
only Malaysia market got red1~2 percent...
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post Jan 4 2017, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 4 2017, 01:13 PM)
May if you can list down all your funds , the guys here will promptly advise you on where to cut or shift?
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ya. I do want to have detailed study on my profolio. but being busy lately. and have a interview this weekend...

been posted on v16th but nothing much comments
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 4 2017, 01:29 PM)
How was the performance though, rarely see a 25-fund portfolio smile.gif
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now single digit profit. if minus malaysia market wil b double digit

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