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 FundSuperMart v17 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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drew86
post Dec 29 2016, 01:15 PM

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Wow..out of the blues it became so lively again. Welcome bros and sis(if any), and a Happy Prosperous New Year to all!

QUOTE(TakoC @ Dec 29 2016, 12:52 PM)
Has anyone here invested in PRS and gotten the RM500 incentive from government? Did you guys did it through FSM?
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Yes, and yes. Lucky you, you'd be getting 1k next year instead of just 500. Assuming you haven't already invested 1k or more before
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post Jan 9 2017, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Jan 9 2017, 03:42 PM)
Imaginary money doesnt have much weightage.

Its just like itrade stock games using imaginary money, and the winners are winning because they all trades high risk call warrants.
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 9 2017, 04:03 PM)
it gives room to experiment on ideas without losing capital. like war games on pc. utilizing strategies without losing a single man. for research purposes, it is a good learning point.
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IMHO a "demo" is just as good as having a feel of how the platform works, how are funds bought/purchased/switched, the processing time etc. To compare it to investing using real money is just like eating the tip of the iceberg. There's a whole lot more emotions/fear/excitement in play using real money.

QUOTE(john123x @ Jan 9 2017, 07:15 PM)
i think i wait till this saturday, i heard its 0.5% SC promo
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What AIYH was suggesting is for u to plan n decide what funds/how much to purchase. Then take advantage of the discounted sales charge:)
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post Jan 12 2017, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 12 2017, 01:32 PM)
no follow"rules" portfolio after  >3 yrs...
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Nice returns. Who says FSM aint got no HNWI investors.. I'm sure there r a couple in this thread itself;) Just curious, do you have other riskier investments apart from UT?

QUOTE(john123x @ Jan 12 2017, 03:34 PM)

Is IRR means annualized? ROI means total return in %?
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Yes and yes
drew86
post Jan 13 2017, 06:51 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 13 2017, 06:33 AM)
Hey guys US market is closed now. It has recovered from most of the earlier big sell off but market still closed lower than previous day.

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Currency also regained from previous loss. At one point USD to ringgit was 4.42 but now back to 4.45.

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If the correlation of stock to fund is good then can treat this just ripples in the ocean lar.
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Dang! And here was I being hopeful for a "discount" on Manulife to buy in this weekend biggrin.gif
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post Jan 15 2017, 12:49 PM

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Decide to hold my horse and not jump into Manulife US yet because of the SC discount (i may regret it though). Gut feeling tells me to wait and see what POTUS is gonna do, or more like say/not say. Anyways already got TAGT in my arsenĂ l.
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post Jan 15 2017, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 15 2017, 12:56 PM)
After trump in then the shares will up up up like when he elected. Sure regret if don't in now
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During the election, nobody thought Trump had a chance. Now, nobody knows what he has to say/do when he gets inaugurated. For one, to me Trump is all crap coming from the mouth. If it takes off, let it be. I'm only planning on a 5% allocation on Manulife US anyways. I'll buy in on the dip if Trump is a man of his words, otherwise seek greener pastures.

On a different note, how long more is kapchai distribution gona be take to be reinvested!? Geez..gota decide if Im gona switch to EM or not. Oh well..lets see how things unfold post-Trump
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post Jan 15 2017, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Jan 15 2017, 01:08 PM)
Currently I'm looking to have a portfolio like this:
RHB Smart Balanced Fund 20%
RHB Bond Fund 20%
RHB ASEAN Fund 20%
RHB Emerging Markets Bond Fund 20%
Affin Hwang Japan Growth Fund 20%

And my watch list for this:
RHB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund

Do you guys think it is good? Or any recommendation funds that I have to changed?

This is going to be my first fund placement in FSM, so I'm not too sure how things workaround here, except a little chart analyse knowledge.

I haven't read out the fund fact though, as I'm weak in global economy knowledge.
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Maybe u can enlighten us why u chose those funds in the first place? Do take time to understand what funds you are investing before jumping on board. You wouldn't want to jump into a sampan to cross the south china sea when you can take a cruise.
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post Jan 15 2017, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 15 2017, 04:39 PM)
Friends and fellow participants of Unit Trust Funds,

1) Today is Sunday, 15th of January 2017 afternoon and after taking a refreshing afternoon nap, my mind in now fresh to write something that I have been thinking on for a while.

2) This topic came about when some of you earlier was talking about volatility and return. We know that for the same degree of return, a unit trust fund that gives a higher volatility is worse for the final future value than another with lower volatility.

3) Now, let us take a look at the first column of a imaginary fund with a return of 10% per compounding period, or perhaps we can take that as per annual return. It starts off with MYR 1,000.00 as initial capital with no top up. Let's say this is a fixed income fund and we get a fixed return of 10% per annum with no volatility, meaning every year is the same ROI. In another word, this fund offers zero volatility / variance / standard deviation / risk.

4) The second and third column is similar an imaginary fund with increasing volatilty as we move towards the right. If you look at the final future value after the tenth year, the fund with the highest volatility has the lowest future value. This phenomenon is called variance drag. This is why, as illustrated, volatilty is bad for a fund and low volatilty is good. This is applicable to buy and hold style of investing or those who do DCA method of investing. Howeverm if you are those trader / speculator / dump and run type, then volatility is your friend and variance drag is of no concern to these type of investors.

Xuzen

P/s For the three imaginary unit trust fund, the simple average return are the same for each fund. The difference in final future value is due to how great the flucuation of the yearly ROI. The greater the flucuation, the lower the final future value.
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Nice simulation. Thanks for sharing. Can't be any more clearer to avoid funds with poor risk:return ratio.
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post Jan 16 2017, 07:59 AM

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Yeap..and that just goes to show how versatile KGF is. Hence why I'm going to integrate my EISC portion into KGF.
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post Jan 17 2017, 05:13 PM

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Crazy = volatility = risk = ?returns

Isn't that why its fun to have those make up a small portion of our portfolio? XP


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post Jan 17 2017, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 17 2017, 07:40 PM)
guy does trading meh? I remember him and I having an argument between active and passive management to the point he called me a quack. lol.
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I may be wrong but I thought the argument was related to market timing? Lol!

QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 17 2017, 07:37 PM)
Like that different la. Trading sure earn A lot cos buy low sell high
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And you're always gona be so lucky to buy at dip and sell at peak? If so, better go FOREX. Will be a millionaire in no time with leverage trading

This post has been edited by drew86: Jan 17 2017, 07:48 PM
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post Jan 17 2017, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 17 2017, 07:47 PM)
He does trading. He timed the market. Buy when there's dividend. Then went it goes up, he sell them off.
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Hmmm don't think he meant buy on distribution specifically. Basically buying when NAV is low beats buying regardless of NAV. Hope my memory serves me right there. Anyway let's not spark another similar debate ;p
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post Jan 18 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 18 2017, 08:37 AM)
Hey guys do u think I can use bond fund for short term less than 1 yr parking while waiting for other investment opportunity?

It has 0% sales chrge So I don't lose any to charges.  It's a bit higher risk than fd but higher gain also.
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Sure. But bear in mind the platform fees(near negligible) as mentioned by AIYH, and also the time frame for withdrawal if u ever need to. So long its not part of your emergency funds.
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post Jan 18 2017, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jan 18 2017, 10:50 AM)
hey sifus, I am new to FSM. I just created my account and about to jump into the waters. But there is still this fear of FSM reliability. As with public mutual, i get to meet my agent, i get official statements from PM and so forth.

Since FSM deals on a virtual level, through a portal, will there be official or rather physical statements sent to me as prove of unit purchases ?
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Monthly statements of all transactions will be emailed to you
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post Jan 24 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 23 2017, 10:29 PM)
I am beginning to like RHB Emerging Bond fund,,,, Algozen ™ has picked up its scent again. Will be keeping a watchful eyes on her.

She is on FSM recommended fund list as well as on FSM SG recommended fund list too for eight consecutive year.

She is a fixed income fund, but its return has been on par with those of equities. But its volatility is halve of those pure equity fund. Apa lagi lu mau?

Xuzen
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I have already fallen in love with her and chose her over her Es equity counterpart (of course one is equity the other FI). Does Algozen ™ think she is fertile?wink.gif Allocated 5%for her in my port, still in accumulation phase though. very volatile beast she is.
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post Jan 27 2017, 07:20 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 27 2017, 12:48 AM)
I understand. All I am asking is, are the "extra units" performance backdated to the dividend distribution date?

Say dividend on Jan 11, they update the new units on Jan 20. When they add these extra units, is the performance from Jan 20 or from Jan 11?
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The performance of units doesn't follow any date. It is a simple multiplication by the current NAV.

E.g. you get 100 units from distribution. Doesn't matter whether u got it reinvested on Jan 11 or Jan 20, it is still going to be 100 units. Hence the value/performance would be the NAV today (27/1) multiplied by 100 units.
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post Jan 27 2017, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(hurtedheart @ Jan 27 2017, 12:01 PM)
Yes
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Wow for real? Any equity? Or are you using bond fund in place of FD.
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post Jan 29 2017, 12:04 PM

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Google, Facebook Show Tech Dismay on Trump Immigration Order http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...migration-order

How would this impact TAGT? Will we start to see a divergence between TAGT and Manulife US?
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post Feb 1 2017, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 1 2017, 09:49 AM)
Anyone knows the rules of rhb Islamic bond fund withdrawal?

It says 1% charge if withdraw within 1 year. Is it mean if I have invested after 1 year my withdrawal is no charge no matter I top up or not?

Or do they charge by the amount I top up? Meaning if I top up rm500 then next year only rm500 withdrawal no charge but other top up like 1k which is less 1 yr have 1% chRge?
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Redemption fees will be charged n tracked for each top-up made.
E.g. 1 Jan 17 bought 1k, 1Mar 17 top up 1k, sell off all holdings on 1 Feb 18, redemption fees will be charged for the 1k topup done on 1Mar17.
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post Feb 1 2017, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Feb 1 2017, 03:57 PM)
No. The index in Indonesia up by 1.2%, Singapore up by 0.4%, India up by 0.9%, Australia up by 0.6%, HK down by 0.4%, US/Europe market down (for yesterday, since these are lagged by half and one day each). I think I will make some % gains, let's wait and see. I don't even know based on what day will it be transacted - if they are transacted based on the prices dated 31/1/2017, then it will be very good for me. Again, I repeat, zero fees.
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UT IMHO is not an ideal vehicle for such active trading. Firstly the NAV is always forward pricing, you'll never know the current NAV. Secondly there is always a period where the money is floating and you have no control over it when switching funds, and this can take over a week!
Anyways to each his own! May you strive well scalping on UT.

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