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 FundSuperMart v17 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Jan 2 2017, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Jan 2 2017, 06:10 PM)
Surprisingly, for citibank they doesn't charge an agent fee. It's only a one time fee of 2%. The same as my recent funds placement through Great Eastern.

I'm only looking at the technical indicator of the chart. Because it just look stagnant, which would suggest to a drop later on which I define it as bad.

The updates I get from my RM is a summarized version of a good or bad stock(straightforward). Either if it would be a good time to withdraw, placing more funds or perform a switching. Based on information they gotten from their bank and news they have read about. So far the indicators my former RM provided me is reliable.
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Seriously? that is worth checking out.
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post Jan 2 2017, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Jan 2 2017, 06:15 PM)
That's weird because Citibank didn't charge me for that, referring to the annual management charge. Although I did ask them about this before placing in it 1 year back.

And for Great Eastern I'm still waiting for the policy, as I'm also told the same as well that only a one-time fee of 2% will be charged for lifetime.

But a downside is that the bank will charge another 2% for switching funds, while FSM doesn't have that if it is managed by the same fund company.

Will research more about it.
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OK are you sure we're still talking about mutual funds? or some sort of endowment policy? you don't get policies with mutual funds.
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post Jan 2 2017, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 2 2017, 08:10 PM)
Urgh - my bad English, hard to "say what i mean" without data / tables + vocal tones laugh.gif

Anyhow, since U are a data cruncher - have a look at the below & feed data / play with the structure/Excel (ZIP file).
Don't take my opinion as gospel
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Idea = A. buy blindly every year, same date (something like DCA)
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B. some sort of timing buy


1. Both using the same available funds.
for (B.) if unused for the year(s), accumulate for usage

2. Timing for (B.), used a simple - "Buy if the thing falls 80% or more based on historical falls":
a. Current Nav or Price LESS Highest in 6 months', 12 months' & 24 months'
b. Compare current 2a. to historical 2a. - if current <= historical's 20th percentile, then BUY with unused $ (timing ma)

3. For unused $, no interest was calculated/added

Tested the ETF for S&P500 + some local blue chip stocks.
I didn't test against UTs as the data for UTs are not as transparent - have to even out the historical NAV with distributions, splits, etc., else not comparable properly.

Data used was from Yahoo Finance & the price / nav used was the ADJ. CLOSE - which evens out the distributions, dividends, splits based on the last data point.

Opinion so far:
4. Don't bother timing if one invest $ which is not needed for 10 to 20 years AND one has a proper portfolio - ie. cash, FD, bonds + the UTs/ETFs/Stocks
Keep in mind - one may want to watch it 3-5 years when liquidation is needed.
COZ the total end value is more than "timing".

5. IF one is not working (ie no constant / reliable cash income from active work) OR has no proper portfolio planned / executed, the "timing" will make sense
COZ less capital at risk.
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Exactly.. if you only remember two things about mutual funds, it would be this :

(1) Diversify as much as you can

(2) Wait for as long as you can

That's it smile.gif


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post Jan 3 2017, 05:47 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 2 2017, 09:25 PM)
er.. it depends.
for more volatile ETFs / UTs or stocks, the simple timing method may be better

looking @ S&P 500 ETF, Nestle & PBank earlier - PBank is "more volatile" VS S&P 500 ETF, and look at it's results

Yet to test on small cap / Emerging Market ETFs - data issue from Yahoo Finance for KLSE & STI indices since Q3+/- 2016  cry.gif
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Nestle and PBBANK aren't mutual funds?
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post Jan 3 2017, 05:52 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jan 2 2017, 10:04 PM)
for a start, Citibank did not manage that fund.....it is under Affin hwang asset mgmt. bhd...
your relationship mgr is partial right...she only charge you 2% sales charge and 0% on other fees....
but the other charges are not informed b'cos they are charged by the fund house not Citibank and it will be reflected in the NAVs.

see page # 6 of attached for the fees and charges of this fund
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...ceMYHWSBOND.pdf
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It's a bond fund, that explains the 2℅, it's free of commission on FSM smile.gif
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post Jan 3 2017, 07:05 PM

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Is it just me or are the YTD charts blank?
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post Jan 3 2017, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 3 2017, 07:11 PM)
New year ma tongue.gif

The latest NAV you could get is 30/12/2016, of course 2017 YTD would be blank laugh.gif
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LOL you're right, thanks smile.gif

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post Jan 4 2017, 02:39 AM

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post Jan 4 2017, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 4 2017, 01:22 PM)
Pokémon player meh? Gotta catch em all™?

I participarte up to four unit trust fund only nia....  cry.gif

Avangelice,

I am topping up again on AM Reits & Manulife US.

Selling / taking profit on Manulife India. Using the profit from India to top up on AM Reits.

Xuzen
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Yea if Trump screws up the US.. imagine America being cheap smile.gif about to top up US on 7/1 smile.gif


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post Jan 4 2017, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(fense @ Jan 4 2017, 01:03 PM)
Sometime I do afraid OVER Diversify,
I was like a chance investor, buy when market bad.

As I am still young in investment, after 3 years learning.. my porfolio become like this

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After post, I count back. I had 25 FUNDs....lol
maybe it does too over. haha.
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How was the performance though, rarely see a 25-fund portfolio smile.gif

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post Jan 4 2017, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(fense @ Jan 4 2017, 01:45 PM)
yeah, because I am not master, main tembak tembak, when got news or offer in Fundsupermart, i tried.
during my first year lose until neg at year end...
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Yea this is like any business venture.. you lose money in the beginning, then you analyze your mistakes and learn. Then you lose less next time. Then eventually you will gain a profit smile.gif used to chase hot funds too.. but then you realize that is a losing strategy in the end smile.gif

Trying to stick to one strategy now.

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post Jan 4 2017, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 4 2017, 02:08 PM)
I believe many others have kind of answer your question

My take? I too have close to 20 funds in my first portfolio; slowly cutting down but still no where near 5-7 funds. The idea is simple, same geographical segment, just stick to the fittest horse, what for split your bets and end up with less. It's diworsification
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It's a way to reduce volatility. More volatility usually means more profit, it all depends on where in the sliding scale of volatility/profit you want to be I guess.
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post Jan 4 2017, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(fense @ Jan 4 2017, 01:43 PM)
AM REIT being alow lately, hopefully it went up. I got significant allocation on it.
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Interest rate rises in the US will affect yields on real estate as well

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/04/110304.asp

In the long term, it shouldn't affect AP REIT yields, but you know what they say, when the US sneezes.. smile.gif

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post Jan 4 2017, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jan 4 2017, 06:56 PM)
Got le. Last time got charge RM50 to port out AmDynamite.

Then FSM told me it's not from their side, but from fund management side.
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Yes that's probably the only fund with a exit fee smile.gif

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post Jan 5 2017, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 5 2017, 12:28 AM)
Here is my distribution:

CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund --- 20%
Affin Hwang Select Asia Ex Japan Opportunity Fund  --- 6.7%
RHB Asian Income Fund --- 13.3%

CIMB Greater China Fund --- 13.3%

Eastspring Small Cap Fund --- 13.3%
Kenanga Growth Fund --- 6.7%

CIMB Global Titans Fund --- 13.3%

RHB US Focus Equity Fund --- 6.7%
TA European Equity Fund --- 6.7%

I bought these funds on 27th Dec, and effective from that day (a total of 5 trading days, till 3/1/17) the gross portfolio returns are 1.259%. The net portfolio returns are -1.426%. Difference between net and gross returns is that for net returns I take into account my initial cost, for gross returns I look at the portfolio performance itself disregarding the initial cost factor (service charge fees basically).

Now people may criticize that I bought too many funds...maybe. Maybe not. The only redundant fund that overlaps with other funds is the Affin Hwang Fund but I have no choice there since this was bought separately as a "test" on M2U and the rest on CIMB Clicks.

I actually think that my ideal total fund size would be 10 or 12 funds, each serving different regions and/or focus areas.
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Better than mine, you started after Trump, so did not get saddled with REIT and bonds after Trump was elected.

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post Jan 6 2017, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 6 2017, 01:32 AM)
Manulife US Equity is large cap fund. I personally thought the Small Cap will grow better this year hence I got the RHB US Focus Equity Fund instead. Also got RM25 switching fee, it deters me from buying into Manulife funds. Though well, RHB has it too...

As for the TA Global Tech fund...yeah I wanted to buy it except CIMB Clicks doesn't carry it for some reason! Also it's a sector based fund, a bit high risk. And Tech stocks seem to be extremely highly priced, you never know if we are close to the ceiling already.

In the future once I can save a lump sum I will open up FSM for Round 2 unit trust funds and reconsider the TA GT fund. Sadly no funds to take advantage of the 0.5% SC promo!
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REITs are sector-based funds too.
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post Jan 6 2017, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 6 2017, 09:48 AM)
does that mean two more weeks after 19th dec? that would be the longest i waited for a distribution so far.

edit. oops how time flies. thought i'm still in december. anytime soon now. anytime soon.
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Weird.. Quantum declared and credited dividend already.
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post Jan 6 2017, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 6 2017, 09:33 AM)
oh yeah. shit. it's a participation event. fml. thanks David. I'll go back to the drawing board
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Someone said you still get a discount tomorrow from participating fund houses even though you are not at the event, at any rate can try tomorrow and see if you get a discount or not smile.gif

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post Jan 6 2017, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 6 2017, 09:52 AM)
Is TA in there ?

which is what I am most interested in.
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TA is not tongue.gif

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post Jan 6 2017, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 6 2017, 09:26 AM)
I'll hold you on to that buddy. anyways it's off to gym for me. see you guys around! oh yeah tomorrow is the penang event which is on the 7th kan? all funds at 0.5%.

anyone buying anything tomorrow?

I'm planning to do the following

top up

Ponzi 2.0 1k
Rhb AIF 1k
AmAsia Pacific. 1k
ES Global Emerging markets 1k

for my lady's portfolio
Ponzi 2.0 1k
esther bond 1k

still don't have any trust in Malaysia bond atm sorry adele123
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Rhb AIF 1k
esther bond 1k


Don't these funds hold local bonds?

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