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dasecret
post Jan 25 2017, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 24 2017, 11:32 PM)
See! I always keep my port to around four unit trust fund only. Somemore a few heroes here got nine or ten funds, thinking they are playing Pokemon gotta catch em' all meh!
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Oops, I have way more than 4, or even 9 blush.gif
Somehow I'm not ruthless enough to keep it lean

QUOTE(opticc @ Jan 24 2017, 11:45 PM)
how about p[eople dontget FD profit also, worse what. 1% return, 2%  inflation eat them more.

want to earn 20% you say cannot get. 10% can get, got prove ?
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you are definitely looking at the wrong instrument if you want 20%; stocks la. Unit trust fees and transaction cost would eat all the gains you wanted. But it's a lot less volatile compared to stocks, hence a popular retail investor instrument

QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 25 2017, 12:22 AM)

RHB seems to have a systematic issue, most of the worst funds on FSM platform were RHB local funds, up to -15%. The fund manager should have been kena pecat.
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Funny you think the fund manager should be fired. The whole small cap fiasco was due to the sudden departure of the RHB CIO ohmy.gif
Their holdings across the local funds were too concentrated on certain small cap counters

Thought I would add the 'forbidden' vague comment here. Something I'd like to remind the newbies that
When there's recommendation of a 'good' fund or buy call here, you should consider the context of the buy/sell call, whether the context applies to you as well. In the end, any of the recommendation is just the opinion of the forumer(s) and it may or may not work for you. For personalised advice, you should contact FSM CIS or licensed CFP or at least UTC

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post Jan 25 2017, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 24 2017, 09:40 PM)
anyone still holding kapchai? still believe malaysia is recovering?

i am currently holding gem and it's either I switch it back to kapchai or move to rhb embf

advice?
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Me lor, but I'm the type who don't move allocation drastically geh. It's actually doing much better than Nov-Dec, arguably started recovering. If this year is election year, they will pump the market up for the feel good factor la

QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 24 2017, 09:43 PM)
I am. 20% Malaysia funds, 2:1 ratio for Kapchai against KGF. I'm patriotic first and foremost. Secondly I truly believe that Malaysian markets have been battered enough for three straight years....it can't happen for another year right? So far so good, in 24 days KGF at 3.5% and Kapchai at 3% for the year.

Also another bonus is no exposure to currency risk. Which could be important as the Ringgit strengthens.
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rclxms.gif that's a good one. Due to the crazy MYR depreciation over the last 3 years, foreign fund gains are exceptional, and we seem to have expected that to be a norm.

QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 24 2017, 09:56 PM)

Don't divert too much, if want discuss SG feature, better go FSM SG there to discuss
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Paiseh, the FSM SG thread drowned until dunno how many pages away jor. This TS is pretty useless tongue.gif
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post Jan 25 2017, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 25 2017, 11:03 AM)
Sis, I am even worse than you. My main portfolio has about 15 funds. I expanded it again this year.  blush.gif  I am definitely taking the concept of asset allocation to a different level.

On a different issue, the best performing fund in my portfolios remain EISC at 17.20% profit and KGF at 17.84% profit after holding them for 2 years with periodic profit taking and top up.
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lol, we r abang adik la. The MY funds are really not all that bad, doing quite ok given the market conditions

QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 25 2017, 01:40 PM)
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Pokémon player?
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You draw really well for someone who likes statistics and finance theory notworthy.gif
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post Jan 26 2017, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 26 2017, 04:44 PM)
UHNWI spotted...

Wholesale fund wo… You know the requirements for wholesale fund hor…? You may fulfill the requirements, you may not, not really something I need to know. My personal perspective la, because I obviously don’t earn enough to qualified for wholesale fund…

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I think people tend not to pay attention to why is certain fund classified as wholesale fund, or why are structured investments only opened to HNWI. Basically this is investor protection to protect retail investors from losing money that they could not afford to lose.

When one makes a false representation that they meet the HNWI definition, the offeror and the regulator conscience is clear, they really don't owe you any duty of care anymore

QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 26 2017, 08:21 PM)
Good start with good diversification. Unlike some heroes who start with ten to fifteen funds.

Xuzen
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Interesting I've been promoted to the "hero" category cool2.gif

QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 26 2017, 08:22 PM)

P/s Let's play I spy. I spy with my little eyes and I think the little undercover mole from FSM is T231H.
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Lol, if I have to guess I'll guess the same person as well. But somehow doesn't sound like it also la. FSM rep can just use an official name to comment here la, we promise we wont bite blush.gif

QUOTE(T231H @ Jan 26 2017, 11:03 PM)
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1 fund at RM 30000 x 2% SC = RM 600
1 fund at RM 2000 x 2% SC = RM 40, if 15 funds =RM 40 x 15 = RM 600

at the same investment value, 1 fund or 15 funds = same SC value
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I was going to say exactly the same thing thumbup.gif
I've just took a look at the amount of SC I've paid to-date; actually what I paid to FSM is significantly lower than what I previously paid to bank and agent.
Okla, I have this weakness of NOT counting until grass also die geh; value is more important to me

A website interface says a lot about how much attention and emphasis a company pay to its targeted customers. I do not like to be taken as customers that doesn't matter. That, is the feeling I got from e-UT site. That they don't care about me as a prospective customer. Probably online security doesn't matter too, business sustainability doesn't matter too, with the lowballing strategy

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post Jan 26 2017, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 26 2017, 09:43 AM)

***how you guys post the picture in the reply directly instead of attachement?  sweat.gif  icon_question.gif
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Not sure if you got the answer already, after you add attachment, there's a little button on the right that says 'add to post', use that

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 26 2017, 11:38 PM)
The same fund exist in SG without those crap of needing to dump one shot minRM10k/agreeing to those terms. Over there is still min SGD1k woh.  whistling.gif  confused.gif

Also CIMB SG account page have some of the worst design I have seen (2nd only to Affin , Affin is like Win95 era shakehead.gif ) but it's one of the bank in SG to offer the best value. Looks matter to certain extent, but I take cost over looks anytime, anyday! tongue.gif
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on the wholesale fund matter, I think sometimes fund house take the shortcut of making it a wholesale fund for ease of SC approval. I think only la, no proof one. And they decided that probably because they don't expect retail investors want to buy it also.

Once the RM approached me to buy this multi-strategy fund, I asked her what's the minimum, she was stunt and say she usually advise clients to buy in RM100k block since it's a wholesale fund. Turn out minimum is USD1k only, I didn't buy, cost it feeds to a fund in SG and it doesn't even look good

I don't expect you to change your mind on cost saving triumph everything else in life, but you need to realise online security risk is a cost too
Oh well, nvm the silai ranting
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post Jan 27 2017, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 26 2017, 11:56 PM)
Guys, to ask once more for a clear answer, how much is the fees of transferring money into FSM, and withdrawing money out of it?

Say I put in RM1,000 into Fund A in FSM. How much extra fees will it cost me to transfer in money from a bank account? Likewise, when withdrawing funds, are there any fees to transfer the money out?
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Only sales charge applies, in normal case, 2% + GST; means RM20.76 for RM1,000 investment
No extra fees for transfer in and out for most funds

Redemption fees applies to certain bond funds as indicated in the other significant fees box. Switching fees may apply, eg for RHB funds intra switches; most of the other intra switch is free

Oh, the other day the topic of intra switch time lag was discuss, for most funds are same day, but for CIMB it's 1 day lag i think
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post Feb 1 2017, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 27 2017, 09:25 AM)
Which part of the thing shows eUT has poor online security ?

Are there any indication that they have poor business sustainability ?
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Nope, no evidence at all, hence the "feeling" only. But that's enough for me to shy away from that platform. Cost is not everything to me, value is. And yes, there's a difference between the two

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 30 2017, 04:20 PM)
I believed it's this way
Equity A > Bond A > Bond B > Equity B. That way only can earn credit.
1. Contact FSM saying you want to switch. Sell off your PM funds. Snap picture. Send it to FSM. FSM will let you buy in for free.

2. According to dasecret, PM funds never even make it into the top 10 funds in terms of return compare to the other fund houses. So I think that is enough to prove where PM funds stand. Also, with PM, one straight away lose 5.5% for service charge. With FSM, one loses max 2% for service charge. If you are lucky, can get 0.5% service charge but of course don't look at the service charge promo by FSM.


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Urgh, me again, go PM thread for PM bashing posts la tongue.gif
Now got a new kaki to bash AIYH cool2.gif
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post Feb 1 2017, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 30 2017, 05:24 PM)

P/S : Based on my observation, all things being equal, it is the expenses and not the income level that affects our retirement plan.
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Well said, I have silai friend who has >1million and projected to have >2m in EPF at retirement freaking out about her retirement plans. All because of expected lifestyle whistling.gif

p/s: whereas I'm chillax-ing despite not even having 1/3. Maybe I just don't plan well like the folks here
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post Feb 1 2017, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Feb 1 2017, 02:33 AM)
Does anyone know what the below means? It is taken from their FAQ about Intra-House switching:

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The switch-sell and switch-buy orders will be transacted on the same business day the order is received before 3pm. Otherwise it will be transacted on the next business day.

However, please note that there are 2 business days lag time should you switch buy into RHB Money Market Fund, RHB Income Fund 2, RHB Institutional Islamic Money Market Fund and 1 business days lag time if you switch buy into CIMB-Principal Equity Growth & Income Fund, CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund, CIMB-Principal Income Plus Balanced Fund, CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund, CIMB-Principal Australian Equity Fund, CIMB-Principal Strategic Bond Fund, CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund, AmSchroder European Equity Alpha Fund and Kenanga Asia Pacific Total Return Fund.

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What exactly is meant by "business day lag time" here? Has anyone intra-house switched into any of the funds above? Care sharing your experience?
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When you switch a fund, the transacted sell order is done at T+0; while the buy order is done at T+lag time. So in the case of CIMB funds, the intraswitch you do today, sell fund based on today's price, buy fund based on tomorrow's price. Get it?

QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 1 2017, 07:31 AM)
On the "poor online security" - it is a subject matter for the IT gurus which I did not see you made anything anywhere near to technical.

On the "poor business sustainability" - the scheme which eUT is operating on has probably been used since day 1 ( ie for 40 years), so poor business sustainability is also poorly justified.

You are bashing eUT based on your own feeling in your own words.

Are you opening a hole in your forehead for eUT lawyers to gun you ?  biggrin.gif  devil.gif  innocent.gif
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Lol. You work for eUT ka? Show me some proof and I'll send you my identity for you to send me the legal letter

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post Feb 1 2017, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 1 2017, 09:25 AM)
Proof of what ?  blink.gif  rclxub.gif
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Proof that you work for eUT or someone in Philip has intention to sue me lor. Then I'll gladly give away my identity for you to write a proper legal letter ma

Anyway, if you re-read the ori post you are protesting about, it's really an opinion piece than fact based piece. I usually make it very clear.

Noob online users are taught to shy away from dodgy looking websites since noob users can't tell if the site is secure. This is what me as a noob userdoing when I see eUT platform.

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post Feb 2 2017, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 2 2017, 10:15 AM)
But I supposed if you sell off the entire fund ( at a loss or gain ), and invest in new fund, ROI will be low.

I don't use the spreadsheet thing. Does it still keep track of sold funds ( gain or loss ) history ?
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Sold funds are not included as part of ROI or IRR calculations. But you can keep it at the top the table and the unit price can continue to be updated to see if it goes up or comes down after you sell
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post Feb 2 2017, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Feb 1 2017, 07:10 PM)
I think that's a bit too much lah - the figures you have there...but who knows right. I am not attempting to speculate. Of course, out of 100 switches even getting 70% of them correct can lead to a good increase in returns. I do a lot of reading to get a handle of the market. And yes I am only doing it with a small sum at the moment. Two of the switches were short term, one is a medium term switch.

The problem is, going from equities > money market > equities will cost me 2.5%. So if I think the market is going to tank big time, I have to cash out. No other option for me. Unless I think it is only a regional crash, then I divert the funds away from that region temporarily. Which is why, one of the things I ensure is that the fund houses I buy in to have a range of offerings - local, regional, global, discrete regional/global and bonds. So that when the time to switch out comes, there are legit options available to move out without incurring costs.

If I use FSM it will be free to do equities > money market > equities, but their intra-house switching for CIMB funds have got a lag of 1 day. That lag is keeping me away for now as my CIMB funds are 50% of my portfolio and they have the most diverse range of funds regionally to effortlessly switch between.

I don't think fund managers will close it down lah. At the moment zero switching fee is the selling point for them. Plus, you need to get your timing absolutely right for this and devote time researching and following the markets, which not many may be able to do. And of course skillful traders with lots of monies will go direct into the stock exchanges.

But yeah, I may need to start deleting all my posts if I find this successful and zip my mouth. At the moment I am just excited and everything is just a theory.
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Hey, I have tips for you. For short term gains you can consider this fund
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...Income-MYAMAPEI

Crazy ups and downs, I want to slowly sell it jor. And AM also has the precious metal fund for you to trade with; and REITs funds when equity is volatile

Theoretically active management should always outperform passive ones; otherwise it cannot justify your time and effort doing it.
Hence why we don't deny that, but always question how cost effective and timely you can trade UT.

QUOTE(vincabby @ Feb 2 2017, 08:33 AM)
early morning post before i start work. my confession. invest 2 years on and off and my ROI is just around 3.xx% and that young gun got 4.xx% in just 1 month's time. what an amazing feat! however, if you have the time to do the switching and what nots then great, it could prove to be a blessing if it can be done. but for people who just want a 'passive' investment, i will rebalance it when i need to. to each his or her own. if that strategy actually works, he will hold that accolade high and might start a new trend. time will tell my friend, which you all the luck in the world cos God knows you need it more than we do.
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Thanks for your honest post. Not many people would show less than stellar performance. And that's why sometimes we get a skewed impression of how good certain products are


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post Feb 2 2017, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 2 2017, 03:24 PM)
If the FSM supporters have no violent objection, I am all for a change in the topic.

Change it to "MY Online UT Platforms: FSM, Cimb Clicks etc"  rclxms.gif

After all FSM did not sponsor this thread.  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 2 2017, 03:26 PM)
If the mod allow us to merge these topics into one, it might be helpful to facilitate discussion, and also promote integration to platform which have several fund houses instead of only the respective fund house platform smile.gif
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It'll be messy don't you think, for example the intra switch rules r different across platforms; the credit system only applies to FSM; sales charge also different across platforms

Besides, I think there should be a separate thread on eUT for the count die grass fansi rclxs0.gif
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post Feb 6 2017, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Feb 3 2017, 06:37 PM)
My main portfolio is still surging ahead. Today it went up by RM915. We live in dangerous times. What goes up must come down. 😅
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I know what you mean, it's easy to get use to this... RM800 increase just on MY EQ and FI funds for 1 day drool.gif

QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 4 2017, 03:40 PM)
Pokemon Player! Gotta catch em' all!

Out of your list, I only have Selina  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif , India, US (TAGTF) and Esther Bond  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif only.

Lean & mean  bruce.gif  cool2.gif

Xuzen
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So boss dropped AIF altogether? Not considering Asian equities in your portfolio for now?
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post Feb 7 2017, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 6 2017, 10:28 PM)
I am still keeping my eye on RHB AIF, after all, to me, it is all a click away to move from Selina's UTF  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif to RHB AIF at zero cost.

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Boss, you pay wrap fees ma

OT a bit, FSM SG wrap fees is cheaper than yours and yet the folks here kao beh kao bu say con job ler dry.gif

Most important thing is net returns is good right? If lose money, free also no use thumbsup.gif

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