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post Dec 27 2016, 08:02 PM

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Guys, I need a very basic explanation as to which day prices are used when doing the following:

1) Buying

2) Switching

3) Selling

So for example, I put in orders for buy/sell/switch last Friday night (23 Dec). Can you give me an overview as to which day prices will I be "charged" for my purchase, how the switching would work, and which day prices will I be given for a redemption?

Thanks!
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post Dec 27 2016, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Dec 27 2016, 08:08 PM)
I can only answer you for question 1 and 3
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Ok will appreciate it. Currently I am having nightmares!
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post Dec 27 2016, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 27 2016, 08:10 PM)
as long as you have done the process it will be priced on the day itself. that's same with buying and selling. buying and selling has T+2

for switching is different.

Inter house switch

The switch-buy order will be transacted on T+5 business days. This is to ensure that the proceeds from the switch-sell will be available for re-investment. This means the switch-sell price of your fund will be based on T date and the switch-buy price of your new fund will be based on T+5 business days later. In total, it will take T+9 business days for your Inter Switch order to be completed and display in your holdings page.

Intra house switch

This process will be completed and updated in your view holdings T+4 business days later.

Both selling price of the switch-sell order and buying price of the switch-buy order will be based on the same day (T date).
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So my Friday night order based on Friday daytime price or Tuesday price? Cause I bought Eastspring Small Cap, that just fell more than 5% in one day. Like that I lost 7.5%+ in one day! (including sales charge)...bad start sad.gif
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post Dec 27 2016, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 27 2016, 08:10 PM)
as long as you have done the process it will be priced on the day itself. that's same with buying and selling. buying and selling has T+2

for switching is different.

Inter house switch

The switch-buy order will be transacted on T+5 business days. This is to ensure that the proceeds from the switch-sell will be available for re-investment. This means the switch-sell price of your fund will be based on T date and the switch-buy price of your new fund will be based on T+5 business days later. In total, it will take T+9 business days for your Inter Switch order to be completed and display in your holdings page.

Intra house switch

This process will be completed and updated in your view holdings T+4 business days later.

Both selling price of the switch-sell order and buying price of the switch-buy order will be based on the same day (T date).
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Another question. You say intra-house (same house) switch is based on T (Day 0) price, but updated on T+4 days. How does this make sense? Say I switch from CIMB Fund A to CIMB Fund B. My holdings will show CIMB Fund A results for 4 more days? So maybe could be losing about 0.5% each day.

But then CIMB Fund B may be gaining 0.5% each day. So at T+4 days, suddenly my losses will turn into profits? Are you saying that? (Based on this exact scenario)
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post Dec 27 2016, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 27 2016, 08:19 PM)
read post # 135 for reason of this big drops....
when you buy on Friday nite..what is the stated "transaction date"....
my wild guess would be Tuesday's Navs.
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Make sense! Thanks. Bloomberg didn't price in the dividend yet. With the dividend priced in the net movement should be almost 0% from Friday to Tuesday.
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post Dec 27 2016, 08:29 PM

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Also guys, how come some funds have latest price at 27/12, some others have latest price at 23/12? So complicated man! I don't even know which day price I will be paying for my buys.

So assuming my transaction went through today, will I be paying for the price published today (for 23/12) or for the price of today itself (27/12) which may be published in 1 or 2 days time?
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post Dec 27 2016, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(GTA5 @ Dec 27 2016, 08:42 PM)
Hi all sifus,

For those invested in Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund, have you guys received the reinvested amount for distribution?

Usually they will email regarding reinvestment but this time around there was none, so just wanna confirm.

Thanks.
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Is it usually reinvested at the date the price of the distribution is announced? Or how?
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post Dec 27 2016, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 27 2016, 08:41 PM)
patience my young grasshopper. you are too rushing. too impatient. unit trust is like planting a bonsai. it requires patience and art.
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No I just want to know. If I buy something today (during office house), will it be based on the price published today (which could be of 1-2 days ago), or will it be based on today's actual price (which may be published 1-2 days from today)?

EDIT: For example, Kenanga and Eastspring published today price for 27/12, but RHB, CIMB, TA and Affin published today the price for 23/12.

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QUOTE(GTA5 @ Dec 27 2016, 08:44 PM)
Usually will be reinvested in a future date.
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Automatically right? What's the standard time frame between dist and reinvestment?
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 27 2016, 08:58 PM)
bond funds are immediate. you can check around 5 pm on their respective fund houses websites.

for EQ it takes time because they need to calculate their investments and send the info to respective purchasers. of course the further the investments the longer it takes to update it hence why we all purchase our funds at forward pricing. I prefer this that way so I can fill up my entire week day by reading updated funds and the edge.
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The kenanaga and east spring funds are EQs
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 27 2016, 09:07 PM)
Keep in mind that as long as you buy/sell before 3PM that day, you will get the NAV of that day. Is so simple. Only for FSM. Don't know about Cimb clicks.
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My question is more about, which NAV? The one published for the day, or the one published on the day? Two different things.
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(rajivshm @ Dec 27 2016, 09:12 PM)
Thanks, bro! Should I put in another 500 then? Do you think that's a good idea? I saw the graph, price is highest now for the past 1 yr.
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No, diversify. Buy something else, like an Asian or Emerging Markets or Greater China fund.

Do you have any other fund invested in?

The other guys should help you better since they are experienced.
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(rajivshm @ Dec 27 2016, 09:17 PM)
I have this and kenanga growth, started with minimum amount too (1k). Any suggestions on good funds (like global titans)? Can pm if u can't share here wink.gif
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Ok, so you have one Malaysian and one Global.

I can recommend CIMB Greater China, CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income, RHB Asian Income for Asian funds. TA European Equity for Europe. I think Eastspring has a good Emerging Markets fund too. Start off with one of those, they're "safer" than going and buying a high risk fund like small caps in foreign country or a sector based fund or a discrete emerging country fund.
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 27 2016, 09:20 PM)
I follow this.....
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I don't follow. Meaning if my transaction was transacted today...there is no price? They already pull out the money from my savings account this morning. Cause I bought the Global Titans on the 23rd (actually 24th early morning at midnight, which is Saturday).
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 27 2016, 09:34 PM)
it does not matter when you buy...for the date that you bought may be a holiday(s) in the fund's stocks holdings are concerns.....when  you buy, refer to the transaction date....then I would then use the FSM tools to see the price.

that is why, some experienced investors never buy on Friday or on day that are going to have a long holidays......after you buy and pay for it...for one would not know during the Sat/sun or holidays, anything "BAD",,,,,,some terrorist attack...then die lah....have to worry so many days....
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That's an important lesson learned for me. It was an extended weekend some more. Foolish in retrospect. But I was pretty excited to hit buy.i guess tomorrow all the transactions will be completed using today's price (which will be published tomorrow except for Kenanga and Eastspring which was publiashed today).
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 27 2016, 09:58 PM)
Based on your question asked here, I will suggest you read up FSM's FAQ if you are interested in their platform and wanting to know their process (do the same foe other platform as well)

For example:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...ying-Funds-1605

Q: WHEN WILL I KNOW ABOUT THE PRICE I GET?

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Q: WHEN WILL MY BUY ORDERS BE COMPLETED?

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https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...ling-Funds-8278
Q: WHEN WILL MY SELL ORDERS BE TRANSACTED?

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Q: HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO RECEIVE MY MONEY?

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https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/1...g-of-Funds-8922

Q: HOW LONG WILL THE WHOLE INTRA SWITCH PROCESS TAKE?

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Q: HOW LONG WILL THE WHOLE INTER SWITCH PROCESS TAKE?

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Take some time to read the FAQ, grasp the basic terms and process gradually, you can also experience them by using small amount.

From there, you can gain more confidence on your understanding in the overall transaction and pricing process smile.gif
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At least my experience on M2U was buy Wednesday early morning and get on Thursday evening. So no idea why FSM taking four business days. Plus most funds priced at T+1 right? Like tomorrow they will publish today's prices. How is it T+2 as FSM claims?
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Dec 27 2016, 10:51 PM)
How much is the service charge for m2u and cimb clicks?
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4% M2U. I regret. Lucky I only put 1k. Then the rest I buy on Cimb Clicks. 2.5%. I'm not pro enough to know about FSM and how to use it. FSM is lower to 2%, but 0.5% I don't think is much different especially since I am familiar with Cimb Clicks.
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 27 2016, 10:54 PM)
Because not all fund houses publish price at the same pace (kenanga EI and libra published price on second working day morning, hwang cimb and am published on second working day evening, aberdeen published price on third working day morning), so T+2 is about the maximum time for you to get to know a fund's transaction day NAV (T)

As long as you place the order and they received your money before working day 3pm, your transaction will be priced on the same day (T) as in the price you will be buying

For example, you buy KGF on today (27/12) 12pm, so once the respective fund house (kenanga) publish the price for 27/12, you will know what price you are buying into smile.gif

T +4 is just the time required for FSM to update your portfolio holdings with what you have bought, but info such as your transaction NAV price and unit bought will be known by T + 2
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Kenanga and EI published the same day price in the evening wor. Unless I am missing something?

https://www.kenangainvestors.com.my/KIB/KIB...idual/Home.aspx

I guess that means I already know the EI Small Cap and Kenanga Growth price, but pending for the rest tomorrow evening? Also while M2U got it to me at the end of two business days, I don't know about CIMB_Cliks.

Ultimately I guess I am just getting excited about nothing...but I just want to see the prices of what I own. I'm sure some of you had the feeling when you got your first investment. I am sorry for spamming, but now I didn't make a new threads.

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post Dec 27 2016, 11:47 PM

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Ok guys one final question. I guess if a fund price comes out at 5pm same day, it's still T+1 because it is AFTER the 3pm cutoff point...or am I wrong? (Forget about FSM, this is just general)

Because I'm seeing Affin Hwang. They say the fund is T+2 but gets published at 5pm the next day. It only makes sense if anything after the cutoff is one day. Also now I'm even confused more. If Affin Hwang funds are T+2 published on next day 5pm, how did Maybank update my portfolio holdings with the accurate valuation by Thursday when I put in the order on Wednesday? Do they have "early" info, or do they actually update at 5pm in the evening as well when the fund houses publish their price updates?
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post Dec 27 2016, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 27 2016, 11:42 PM)
humor me for awhile bro.

I think they gain nothing by delaying updating the price. in retrospect they would love to have live feed of their NAV but sadly the way unit trust works is the reason why we have forward pricing. correct me if I am wrong, the reason why we have a lag time is because they need to calculate the lost and returns of every investments they make every day and compute the total and divide it into how many units that the fund has.

hence the delay because of computation from investments across the globe?
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Kenanga and EI update the same time as the Malaysian markets close. Why do they need to calculate anything? It's all done in Excel (I can confirm they use Excel, nothing more). The model has formulas. They just take the live values from Bursa and as the markets close they have the NAV instantly.

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