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Ramjade
post Jan 8 2017, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 8 2017, 12:16 AM)
Since we were speaking about Forex Risk some pages back, I want to ask some further questions:

1) If the Ringgit keeps gaining ground on the USD, does that mean that capital inflow into the local markets could/would increase?

2) If the Ringgit keeps gaining ground on the USD, does that mean that we stand to lose out on potential returns from foreign domiciled funds? (PS: Regional/global funds wholly domiciled in Malaysia like the CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund and the Affin Hwang Asia Ex Japan Select Opportunity should not be counted in this)
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50+ years of history have not show that the ringgit is favorable. sad.gif
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post Jan 8 2017, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 8 2017, 12:35 PM)
Ok, I totally agree that investment is never static.

Which is why I am wondering how come members of this forum thread aren't supportive of and don't practice sŵitching out their funds when it is absolutely clear a certain market is going to tank, even if it isn't just short term (1-3months).

Say we get news in February that due to whatever reason, China's capital markets are going to take a beating for around 3 months. Will you leave your funds in the CIMB Greater China fund, or will you switch it out short term to something else and switch back when the Chinese capital markets recover?
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If you are talking about China, it was a sudden move no one expected. While stuff like Brexit is not sudden. Xuzen remove all Eu exposure right before Brexit. But how can guess it will work in your favour? No one expected Trump to win.

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post Jan 8 2017, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 8 2017, 01:37 PM)
I'm a noob yes (for now), but I am NOT talking about speculation. I am talking about concrete market trends.

Anyway if/when I do such a tactic, I will be sure to update everyone here with regards to its success or failure. I personally think there is margin to eke out even higher returns by doing some minimal tactical switching/redemption/re-allocation from time to time - but I guess I will have to put this hypothesis to test myself.
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There is. IF you can anticipate correctly. Right now very easy stuff. RM will continue to appreciate or depreciate?
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post Jan 8 2017, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jan 8 2017, 01:46 PM)
thumbup.gif it is always good to have some contrarians....furthermore I have not done that, so cannot says it will not works out for you....just like forex or other extreme form of investment.

if you are planning to that,...try getting those EQ funds from those FH that has FI funds....it will helps you reduce the SC....(but must have minimum purchase amount)
else you can try the "warp' a/c, which will gives you free unlimited switches.....
ask zuxen about how to get the wrap a/c...he has one.


while planning to do that,...feel free to read this,...

Frequent Rebalancing Improves Portfolio Returns.

You might have heard this one before: Frequent rebalancing to simultaneously lock in profits and dollar cost average into lower priced assets will provide better returns. We examined the myth and here's what we found.
Author : iFAST Research Team

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...lio-Returns-566
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He doesn't have a FSM account. He uses Cimb clicks.
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post Jan 8 2017, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 8 2017, 02:38 PM)
If you are the opportunistic investor, I believe CIMB clicks doesn't offer you the best advantagr due to SC (not sure whether they have credit system like fsm)

I will suggest you switch your portoflio to FSM for better flexibility or wrap account to maximize your tactic

In theory your tactic would work, but how certain can you ensure that your decision is right?for me, I do not have the bullet to practice kind of investing tongue.gif That's why I practice long term portfolio constructon smile.gif

In the end, unless you can certainly predict the movement or with insider news, chances that you will still be speculating and may need experience to practice your investment decision making

If you are certain that the event will happen, I wish you luck, and do share your performance and insight here for everyone to discuss smile.gif

There are different investment ideology and practice by different people, expect arguement, but don't let this deter you from sharing your POV biggrin.gif
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Can you share your funds and your allocation (in terms of %)? I have a friend who is interested in having lots of fund. I think you do have lots of fund right? brows.gif
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post Jan 9 2017, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 9 2017, 02:11 AM)
Guys, I think this Saturday I can make some funds available to put into FSM. I haven't created an account yet (want to do it as late as possible to stretch out the one month 1% promo charge).

So just some quick questions to get an idea by when I should do the following:

1) Is the account creation process instantaneous or takes a few days? When to get started?

2) Is it instant to transfer funds into FSM or takes a while? When to do this if I want to have a certain amount of funds available this coming Saturday?

Thanks!
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1) Is the account creation process instantaneous or takes a few days? When to get started?
Filling up the online form is instant. Waiting for them to call you back and activate takes about 2-3 working days (not including Sat & Sun). So if you submit on Sat night, expect account to be activated on Wed/Thursday after getting the call.

2) Is it instant to transfer funds into FSM or takes a while? When to do this if I want to have a certain amount of funds available this coming Saturday?
If you want instant, use FPX. I usually use FPX at 230pm to prevent any delay. But since it's a whole day event, no problem buying anytime of the day (on Saturday)
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post Jan 9 2017, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 9 2017, 10:30 AM)
If you really plan to do that, you should ask FSM to transfer the holdings over instead of selling in CIMB clicks and re-purchase in FSM. Not only you lose out on SC, you'd also lose out on timing which you emphasis so much of
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You should tag contestchris
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post Jan 9 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 9 2017, 01:39 PM)
Bro can you please calm down? I haven't done anything. My initial portfolio investment was with the long term in mind. The idea to switch in and out came after that.
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Actually bro is a sis sweat.gif
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post Jan 9 2017, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 9 2017, 01:58 PM)
agree with dasecret Diy unit trust investment can be a double edge sword and if you do not understand the basic fundamentals of it and how it works, you may be making big returns only to see most of the returns go into service charges, frequent switching fees and timing the market wrongly.

the way I see it,  every ripple be it brexit, trump and wars are just small ripples made in a vast ocean. think far and long term. have a diversified portfolio and ride out the waves, gain experience from it.

contestchris you are very new and very young, it explains the way you are investing. a fire brand. some of the guys and gals here have been at it for years so don't take it personally when they offer their advise. it may seem harsh but we gain nothing from helping each other so patience. I see you diving into stocks in the sub forum and you opened multiple threads.

you are playing a very dangerous game there buddy. just take a breather. you have many years ahead. room to grow. don't rush.
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Actually if he is able to time the market perfectly, why not? It's his strategy. What works for him may not work for us and vice versa. Right now, I am on auto pilot mode. Not touching anything.
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post Jan 10 2017, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jan 10 2017, 03:23 PM)
so I suppose the majority of foreign investors already left the position from the bonds, is it now a stable platform to move back into bonds?
I wouldn't expect 8-10% / annum, but is it still possible to get the above 6% returns?

Looking at Eastspring bond fund and Libra Asnita.
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Take affin hwang select bond fund. Avoid others unless wish to earn ninja credit.

QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 10 2017, 05:41 PM)
Rebalance; take profit from funds that overperform and put in the currently underperform segment

If there's laggard performer in the selected fund, switch to a better fund in the segment

Example for the portfolio I manage for mum, every cny I'd take profit from the funds to balance it back to intended allocation; the excess would be 'dividends'

I switched out of RHB ATR into Affin Hwang Select bond in favor of its lower volatility - it achieve taking profits from RHB ATR and switching into a better fund (IMO)
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And how to know which fund overperform? Any indicator? Some say return/risk ratio (look at 3 years volatility for risk,what about return?), PE of the fund (how to get PE of the fund), your own limit?

Please share. Until today, I don't know how to check if a fund is overperform.
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post Jan 10 2017, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 10 2017, 08:18 PM)
Guys, I've been doing some thinking, and it seems like to get a high annualised return it is better to focus on only a few funds, rather than having a portfolio of 8-15 funds.

Currently I have nine (2 MY, 1 Asia, 2APAC, 1 GC, 1 EU, 1 US and 1 Global).

Of course in such a portfolio as above it would be hard to make a net negative return annualised, but the returns will be cancelled out by over and under performing funds and you get a mediocre value.

Would it be better to consolidate them to 3-4 funds max? I'm thanking 1 MY, 1 APAC, 1 Global/US/EU and 1 Emerging Markets (discrete case or general case). MY and APAC to be permanent funds, the other two to be tactical with periodic revisions as and when needed.

Of course I won't change things now, I bought 9 to learn about the various regions. But in a year's time I would want to consolidate things to maximise and streamline my returns.

Would love to hear from those who have and believe in smaller portfolio vs those who have and believe in a larger portfolio.
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Well xuzen did said. Playing pokemon go? Anyway stick with my 6 fund allocation.

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post Jan 11 2017, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(fense @ Jan 10 2017, 11:48 PM)
every quater of half quater u will received a email abt platform cahrges. It will auto sell ur CMF and pay it. if u have no money in CMF, they selll ur bond>balance>equity.
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When is the quarter? March? Will they send email before/after deducting?
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post Jan 11 2017, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 12:17 AM)
Q: WHEN DO I NEED TO MAKE PAYMENT FOR THE BOND FUND PLATFORM FEE?

A:
The deduction date of the bond fund platform fee is on the 16th of February, May, August and November for the respective quarters as shown in the table below.

Prior to the deduction date, FSM will email an invoice in the end of January, April, July and October to notify account holders about the bond fund platform fees. FSM will not send out physical invoices.

Please ensure that you have sufficient monies in the Cash Management Fund by 12th of the deduction month if you do not wish for the units in the best performing fund to be deducted.

Below is the bond fund platform fee schedule and you may refer to the last column for the deduction date of the bond fund platform fee.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...814/MY/faq3.png
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So if I sell off my bond fund on the 11/2, will I still be charged?
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post Jan 11 2017, 05:54 AM

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QUOTE(fense @ Jan 11 2017, 12:29 AM)
technically not.
I remember been reading FSM topic about short term investment and long term investment.
You saved the platform chance by keep buying and selling. but you dun knw will you loos the chance of good return, may rebuy in higer price but sold at cheaper price, end up loos more
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You are buying bond fund. If you are holding equity fund then yes. The risk is there.

QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 11 2017, 12:36 AM)
I sold off my anita last month, but they didnt straight deduct my fee from CMF, guess that as long as you still have fund with FSM, you will still follow the schedule smile.gif
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Did you still kena charge?
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post Jan 11 2017, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 11 2017, 08:56 AM)
when we send our vehicles for servicing we get leather wallets and Keychain but then again we don't have 100k to 200k in fsm so just be happy we get ang pow packets  from them. lol.
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I rather they don't charge bond fees instead of giving angpow. Will look into eUT to prevent them for charging in the future vmad.gif ranting.gif Damn the fund I want is not tradeable online. Well will transfer it out later on.

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post Jan 11 2017, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 11 2017, 12:40 PM)
After taking your advice I read the product sheet of kenanga growth vs affin hwang to understand more and decide to go with affin due to they invest in larger market segment. So the fund manager have flexibility to invest other market if one is going down. For kenanga only invest Malaysia the fund manager will have losing options when Malaysia market down.

Am I doing it right?
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Yes. That's right. So if Malaysia economy continue to drop further Kenanga die die must continue invest in Malaysia. UP to you to think Malaysia can recover or not or go further down.
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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 11 2017, 01:38 PM)
Thnx for clarify. Another question after read the fund fact sheet it mention "as the fund is to achieve medium to long term capital appreciation the fund is not expected to make distribution."

What does this mean? As what I understand from mutual fund is at end of the yr, they will distribute dividend and reinvest back then I will gain in total units. Does this mean I buy 100 units and at end of 10 yr I still remain 100 units? Like that not worth la
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Dividend or no dividend it's not important. Why? A fund can give 10% dividend every year and if the NAV never goes back up, dividend is useless. After dividend, your NAV will drop by the same amount.
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ic no 851025071234 keep in mind that some people use dividend given to trade.
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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 11 2017, 05:06 PM)
Ok I think I get it. So I shouldn't compare mutual investment to the compound interest from fd. I think I mix up the concept.

For fund if have good return and suddenly 1 yr drop big % I might lose all my gains through previous year. So isn't it long term invest will have higher risk for a big market drop?

So the annual returns we talking about never actually mean anything until we sell?
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Yes. That's true. Which means it's time to topup. If you panic and sell, you will make a loss.

QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 11 2017, 05:06 PM)
Ok I think I get it. So I shouldn't compare mutual investment to the compound interest from fd. I think I mix up the concept.

For fund if have good return and suddenly 1 yr drop big % I might lose all my gains through previous year. So isn't it long term invest will have higher risk for a big market drop?

So the annual returns we talking about never actually mean anything until we sell?
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Of course how big is big? If you are talking about eg 2008, all country affected. Cannot run anywhere. In the long term, market will always go up.
If you want to minimize loss, you can have a self cut-off point. Say once a fund make 10% profit, sell it off/just sell the profit. Another one is look at signs of the market. These one I cannot tell as I myself also don't know them.

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post Jan 11 2017, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 11 2017, 06:31 PM)
Ok thnz Sifus for taking time to reply
Noob like me. I think I'm getting expert liao.
The principle I should use here is the dollar cost average instead of compounding.

Anyone research before which has better return over long run? I mean slow steady compounding over 20 yrs with 6% return in amanah saham or dollar cost average over long term in the market?
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It's already proven that other funds beat amanah saham over 10 years period.

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