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 FundSuperMart v17 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Dec 27 2016, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 27 2016, 09:23 PM)
you can try following fsm portfolio right down to the allocation or you can follow mine.

FSM Funds

Affin Hwang Select Bond.... (20%)
RHB Asian Income Fund. ....(15%)

CIMB-P Asia Pac Dynamic ....(10%)
Eastspring Emerging Market...(10%)
CIMB-P Greater China Equity ..(10%)
Manulife US equity fund (10%)
Manulife India.........(10%)

AmAsia REITs .... (10 %)
TA Global Technology Fund...(5%)

think this is the 4th time I shared this. lol.
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 27 2016, 09:24 PM)
try see the composition in the FSM recommended portfolios....they have portfolios for various appetites...try to see their allocation....
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 27 2016, 09:25 PM)
Ok, so you have one Malaysian and one Global.

I can recommend CIMB Greater China, CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income, RHB Asian Income for Asian funds. TA European Equity for Europe. I think Eastspring has a good Emerging Markets fund too. Start off with one of those, they're "safer" than going and buying a high risk fund like small caps in foreign country or a sector based fund or a discrete emerging country fund.
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 27 2016, 09:32 PM)
I don't follow. Meaning if my transaction was transacted today...there is no price? They already pull out the money from my savings account this morning. Cause I bought the Global Titans on the 23rd (actually 24th early morning at midnight, which is Saturday).
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it does not matter when you buy...for the date that you bought may be a holiday(s) in the fund's stocks holdings are concerns.....when you buy, refer to the transaction date....then I would then use the FSM tools to see the price.

that is why, some experienced investors never buy on Friday or on day that are going to have a long holidays......after you buy and pay for it...for one would not know during the Sat/sun or holidays, anything "BAD",,,,,,some terrorist attack...then die lah....have to worry so many days....

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post Dec 27 2016, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(rajivshm @ Dec 27 2016, 09:21 PM)
Thanks for the advice... Will do further study and come here back... But if u have some suggestion on funds and portfolio, it would help...

So far i understand i shd have equity + fixed income. Correct? What abt the percentage?
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Hi just to answer your question... there's no right/wrong answer.

For example all my asset consist of only RM20k... and all these 20k is invested via FSM, then yes, I might just invest RM10k in equities and the rest in fixed income/money market fund or just leave it in FD.

But if say i have another RM20k under the pillow or in the bank, then i would probably invest more than RM10k into equities. You can start with FSM recommended portfolio, which kinda recommends funds covering a few regions... FSM is only a guide, not the perfect portfolio, after all, the portfolio is also came up by humans, who can be prone to errors and less objective decision making. biggrin.gif


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post Dec 27 2016, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 27 2016, 10:23 PM)
you can try following fsm portfolio right down to the allocation or you can follow mine.

FSM Funds

Affin Hwang Select Bond.... (20%)
RHB Asian Income Fund. ....(15%)

CIMB-P Asia Pac Dynamic ....(10%)
Eastspring Emerging Market...(10%)
CIMB-P Greater China Equity ..(10%)
Manulife US equity fund (10%)
Manulife India.........(10%)

AmAsia REITs .... (10 %)
TA Global Technology Fund...(5%)

think this is the 4th time I shared this. lol.
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Thanks for this great piece of info. How long would you "stay" with this portfolio?
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(chyz66 @ Dec 27 2016, 09:49 PM)
Thanks for this great piece of info. How long would you "stay" with this portfolio?
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until malaysia recovers. It's always good to invest in your home country.
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post Dec 27 2016, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 27 2016, 09:32 PM)
I don't follow. Meaning if my transaction was transacted today...there is no price? They already pull out the money from my savings account this morning. Cause I bought the Global Titans on the 23rd (actually 24th early morning at midnight, which is Saturday).
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Based on your question asked here, I will suggest you read up FSM's FAQ if you are interested in their platform and wanting to know their process (do the same foe other platform as well)

For example:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...ying-Funds-1605

Q: WHEN WILL I KNOW ABOUT THE PRICE I GET?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Q: WHEN WILL MY BUY ORDERS BE COMPLETED?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...ling-Funds-8278


Q: WHEN WILL MY SELL ORDERS BE TRANSACTED?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Q: HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO RECEIVE MY MONEY?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/1...g-of-Funds-8922

Q: HOW LONG WILL THE WHOLE INTRA SWITCH PROCESS TAKE?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Q: HOW LONG WILL THE WHOLE INTER SWITCH PROCESS TAKE?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Take some time to read the FAQ, grasp the basic terms and process gradually, you can also experience them by using small amount.

From there, you can gain more confidence on your understanding in the overall transaction and pricing process smile.gif
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 27 2016, 09:58 PM)
Based on your question asked here, I will suggest you read up FSM's FAQ if you are interested in their platform and wanting to know their process (do the same foe other platform as well)

For example:...........
Take some time to read the FAQ, grasp the basic terms and process gradually, you can also experience them by using small amount.

From there, you can gain more confidence on your understanding in the overall transaction and pricing process smile.gif
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but the FAQs in the other platforms are not so detailed and FSM FAQs may not be applicable to the other platform biggrin.gif innocent.gif
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Dec 27 2016, 09:38 PM)
Hi just to answer your question... there's no right/wrong answer.

For example all my asset consist of only RM20k... and all these 20k is invested via FSM, then yes, I might just invest RM10k in equities and the rest in fixed income/money market fund or just leave it in FD.

But if say i have another RM20k under the pillow or in the bank, then i would probably invest more than RM10k into equities. You can start with FSM recommended portfolio, which kinda recommends funds covering a few regions... FSM is only a guide, not the perfect portfolio, after all, the portfolio is also came up by humans, who can be prone to errors and less objective decision making. biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the great explanation... I get a clearer picture now. Was wondering if fd also considered part of the portfolio... Thanks again
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(rajivshm @ Dec 27 2016, 10:16 PM)
Thanks for the great explanation... I get a clearer picture now. Was wondering if fd also considered part of the portfolio... Thanks again
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FD should be in another sub category of Invesment. pros of fd is that your returns are as promised within the investment period. problem with it is that it's based on the OPR. anyways I don't consider FD as part of my portfolio because it's near inflatory rates to be considered as a proper investment.

my two cents.
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 27 2016, 09:34 PM)
it does not matter when you buy...for the date that you bought may be a holiday(s) in the fund's stocks holdings are concerns.....when  you buy, refer to the transaction date....then I would then use the FSM tools to see the price.

that is why, some experienced investors never buy on Friday or on day that are going to have a long holidays......after you buy and pay for it...for one would not know during the Sat/sun or holidays, anything "BAD",,,,,,some terrorist attack...then die lah....have to worry so many days....
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That's an important lesson learned for me. It was an extended weekend some more. Foolish in retrospect. But I was pretty excited to hit buy.i guess tomorrow all the transactions will be completed using today's price (which will be published tomorrow except for Kenanga and Eastspring which was publiashed today).
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 27 2016, 10:41 PM)
That's an important lesson learned for me. It was an extended weekend some more. Foolish in retrospect. But I was pretty excited to hit buy.i guess tomorrow all the transactions will be completed using today's price (which will be published tomorrow except for Kenanga and Eastspring which was publiashed today).
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calm down buddy. remember we are all in this in a long run. so what it may be exciting to you now, five years down that road, just a two mm little line on that graph signifies your return and lose. so it's nothing.
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 27 2016, 09:58 PM)
Based on your question asked here, I will suggest you read up FSM's FAQ if you are interested in their platform and wanting to know their process (do the same foe other platform as well)

For example:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...ying-Funds-1605

Q: WHEN WILL I KNOW ABOUT THE PRICE I GET?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Q: WHEN WILL MY BUY ORDERS BE COMPLETED?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...ling-Funds-8278
Q: WHEN WILL MY SELL ORDERS BE TRANSACTED?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Q: HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO RECEIVE MY MONEY?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/1...g-of-Funds-8922

Q: HOW LONG WILL THE WHOLE INTRA SWITCH PROCESS TAKE?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Q: HOW LONG WILL THE WHOLE INTER SWITCH PROCESS TAKE?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Take some time to read the FAQ, grasp the basic terms and process gradually, you can also experience them by using small amount.

From there, you can gain more confidence on your understanding in the overall transaction and pricing process smile.gif
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At least my experience on M2U was buy Wednesday early morning and get on Thursday evening. So no idea why FSM taking four business days. Plus most funds priced at T+1 right? Like tomorrow they will publish today's prices. How is it T+2 as FSM claims?
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 27 2016, 10:49 PM)
At least my experience on M2U was buy Wednesday early morning and get on Thursday evening. So no idea why FSM taking four business days. Plus most funds priced at T+1 right? Like tomorrow they will publish today's prices. How is it T+2 as FSM claims?
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How much is the service charge for m2u and cimb clicks?
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Dec 27 2016, 10:51 PM)
How much is the service charge for m2u and cimb clicks?
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4% M2U. I regret. Lucky I only put 1k. Then the rest I buy on Cimb Clicks. 2.5%. I'm not pro enough to know about FSM and how to use it. FSM is lower to 2%, but 0.5% I don't think is much different especially since I am familiar with Cimb Clicks.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 27 2016, 10:49 PM)
At least my experience on M2U was buy Wednesday early morning and get on Thursday evening. So no idea why FSM taking four business days. Plus most funds priced at T+1 right? Like tomorrow they will publish today's prices. How is it T+2 as FSM claims?
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you are already purchasing the UT on the NAV on that day, whatever price you find out after T+4 won't so much be a problem right? that's just me lah.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 27 2016, 10:49 PM)
At least my experience on M2U was buy Wednesday early morning and get on Thursday evening. So no idea why FSM taking four business days. Plus most funds priced at T+1 right? Like tomorrow they will publish today's prices. How is it T+2 as FSM claims?
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Because not all fund houses publish price at the same pace (kenanga EI and libra published price on second working day morning, hwang cimb and am published on second working day evening, aberdeen published price on third working day morning), so T+2 is about the maximum time for you to get to know a fund's transaction day NAV (T)

As long as you place the order and they received your money before working day 3pm, your transaction will be priced on the same day (T) as in the price you will be buying

For example, you buy KGF on today (27/12) 12pm, so once the respective fund house (kenanga) publish the price for 27/12, you will know what price you are buying into smile.gif

T +4 is just the time required for FSM to update your portfolio holdings with what you have bought, but info such as your transaction NAV price and unit bought will be known by T + 2

This post has been edited by AIYH: Dec 27 2016, 10:56 PM
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post Dec 27 2016, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 27 2016, 10:54 PM)
Because not all fund houses publish price at the same pace (kenanga EI and libra published price on second working day morning, hwang cimb and am published on second working day evening, aberdeen published price on third working day morning), so T+2 is about the maximum time for you to get to know a fund's transaction day NAV (T)

As long as you place the order and they received your money before working day 3pm, your transaction will be priced on the same day (T) as in the price you will be buying

For example, you buy KGF on today (27/12) 12pm, so once the respective fund house (kenanga) publish the price for 27/12, you will know what price you are buying into smile.gif

T +4 is just the time required for FSM to update your portfolio holdings with what you have bought, but info such as your transaction NAV price and unit bought will be known by T + 2
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Kenanga and EI published the same day price in the evening wor. Unless I am missing something?

https://www.kenangainvestors.com.my/KIB/KIB...idual/Home.aspx

I guess that means I already know the EI Small Cap and Kenanga Growth price, but pending for the rest tomorrow evening? Also while M2U got it to me at the end of two business days, I don't know about CIMB_Cliks.

Ultimately I guess I am just getting excited about nothing...but I just want to see the prices of what I own. I'm sure some of you had the feeling when you got your first investment. I am sorry for spamming, but now I didn't make a new threads.

This post has been edited by contestchris: Dec 27 2016, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 27 2016, 10:59 PM)
Kenanga and EI published the same day price in the evening wor. Unless I am missing something?

https://www.kenangainvestors.com.my/KIB/KIB...idual/Home.aspx
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You are talking about the price timing updated by the respective fund houses

I am talking about the price timing updated received by FSM or other agents

Yes, Kenanga and EI updated 27/12 NAV price on their website on 27/12 evening, but FSM will only update KGF price list on FSM page on 28/12 morning

Kenanga and EI update their price quite fast compared to normal timing like CIMB and hwang and to slow timing like aberdeen

So the T+2 is actually referring to the maximum time that you will take to know your transaction NAV and unit purchase if you buy from universal agent platform like FSM instead of buying via respective fund houses (which may be different depending on the respective fund houses practices)

This post has been edited by AIYH: Dec 27 2016, 11:06 PM

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