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Which do i go for BMW 318i or Honda Accord?
 
BMW 318i [ 92 ] ** [60.93%]
Honda Accord [ 59 ] ** [39.07%]
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ktek
post Dec 22 2016, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Dec 22 2016, 10:07 AM)
Hahaha, 35% of the engine compartment is empty!  laugh.gif
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ya... the design has weakess when u crash front. gb cooler and intercooler will damage
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post Dec 22 2016, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(amdxp @ Dec 22 2016, 01:46 PM)
Best for weight distribution !  50 : 50  tongue.gif
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post Dec 22 2016, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Dec 22 2016, 10:11 AM)
This engine hauling big body no good...  Tried the 218i Active tourer.. beside the annoying stop/start function the engine barely rolled the wheel...
but the ZF trans. is one of the best in its class....
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QUOTE(itwj27 @ Dec 22 2016, 11:54 AM)
Agree, Drove the 118i and its one of the best gearbox i've ever driven!
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hi ajaibman and itwj27. can teach me the good side of zf 8 gear?
as i know tw forum mention that bmw enjin under rate the horse power to promote the gear box superior. all base on owner perform dyno run.

ppl feel the power delivery good. will praise the gb.
actually power loss is cover back by high hp

This post has been edited by ktek: Dec 22 2016, 02:34 PM
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post Dec 22 2016, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(metaled @ Dec 22 2016, 01:15 PM)
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318i is a waste of money. The only good thing about it is the ZF 8 speed and obviously the badge, and nothing else.

It is a very bare bone low spec vehicle.
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it dont discount from safety function and feature. ok la add 1 good point.
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post Dec 22 2016, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(flazer @ Dec 21 2016, 05:32 PM)
Dear Sifus,

I need to use for daily use. Lanyak a lot.

Pls sifus give your advice

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i vote honda

i got F30 320 I


ajaibman
post Dec 22 2016, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 22 2016, 02:30 PM)
hi ajaibman and itwj27. can teach me the good side of zf 8 gear?
as i know tw forum mention that bmw enjin under rate the horse power to promote the gear box superior. all base on owner perform dyno run.

ppl feel the power delivery good. will praise the gb.
actually power loss is cover back by high hp
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Best Torque converter traditional transmission in the market..

Only Dual Clutch trans can beat it... perhaps the detune it for Longevity? afterall Car is 2nd most expensive purchase per household after the house.

Its linear combination of pickup and top speed... that suited to the engine.. (exploit the every last drop of Horse power/Torque) and minimal loss of energy...

Try to drive those cars with traditional converter especially from Kimchi land.. and you will know what I mean about the power loss and optimization.

Vios is good run about in the city due to the close ratio 4 speeder, but not so good long distance tourer due to clogging the highest gear at the higher RPM...

However perhaps you have more knowledge than I do, but that just my butt dyno feeling..

This post has been edited by ajaibman: Dec 22 2016, 02:47 PM
itwj27
post Dec 22 2016, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 22 2016, 02:30 PM)
hi ajaibman and itwj27. can teach me the good side of zf 8 gear?
as i know tw forum mention that bmw enjin under rate the horse power to promote the gear box superior. all base on owner perform dyno run.

ppl feel the power delivery good. will praise the gb.
actually power loss is cover back by high hp
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Well IMO, the gear change is fast and smooth, doesnt hesitate, i personally dont feel any power loss whatsoever.

Also personally i dont mind the gearbox lower its gear to engine brake, saves ur brake tongue.gif

Never driven it during traffic though but i bet its smoother than dual clutch in traffic.

One thing though, i drove the 118i 1.6 turbo, not the 1.5 3 pot..


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post Dec 22 2016, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(itwj27 @ Dec 22 2016, 02:46 PM)
Well IMO, the gear change is fast and smooth, doesnt hesitate, i personally dont feel any power loss whatsoever.
Also personally i dont mind the gearbox lower its gear to engine brake, saves ur brake  tongue.gif
Never driven it during traffic though but i bet its smoother than dual clutch in traffic.
One thing though, i drove the 118i 1.6 turbo, not the 1.5 3 pot..
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good info. just im unable to catch the proper brake point yet. drive like noob when itself downshift happen at low speed <40kph.
yup. becos torq converter type is handle like normal at cars during traffics

give d-s-m mode to play around (without steering shift @318)
do u know the eco mode joke im mentioned earlier?
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post Dec 22 2016, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 22 2016, 02:53 PM)
good info. just im unable to catch the proper brake point yet. drive like noob when itself downshift happen at low speed <40kph.
yup. becos torq converter type is handle like normal at cars during traffics

give d-s-m mode to play around (without steering shift @318)
do u know the eco mode joke im mentioned earlier?
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Well never tried the eco mode cos it was a test drive. Whack kaw kaw!! bruce.gif bruce.gif

Nvr believe those eco button thing in ur car, it never works biggrin.gif

Only eco button is ur right foot biggrin.gif
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post Dec 22 2016, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Dec 22 2016, 02:46 PM)
Best Torque converter traditional transmission in the market..
Only Dual Clutch trans can beat it... perhaps the detune it for Longevity? afterall  Car is 2nd most expensive purchase per household after the house.
Its linear combination of pickup and top speed... that suited to the engine.. (exploit the every last drop of Horse power/Torque) and minimal loss of energy...
Try to drive those cars with traditional converter especially from Kimchi land.. and you will know what I mean about the power loss and optimization.
Vios is good run about in the city due to the close ratio 4 speeder, but not so good long distance tourer due to clogging the highest gear at the higher RPM...
However perhaps you have more knowledge than I do, but that just my butt dyno feeling..
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didnt look into kpop gearbox. guess not as nice to nazi

i have old benz 5at that quite smart gb but that zf 8at result is not i expect from latest tech 13 years apart. perhaps bmw keep the best for m3 m4 m5 family. i know western side get to choose sport 8at (sat) version.

agree on vious 4at nice ratio to move in town. lately cvt not my fav.

no worry bro. just the 318 is parents car so i get the chance to use it. i trust butt dyno as well haha.
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post Dec 22 2016, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(itwj27 @ Dec 22 2016, 02:59 PM)
Well never tried the eco mode cos it was a test drive. Whack kaw kaw!! bruce.gif  bruce.gif
Nvr believe those eco button thing in ur car, it never works biggrin.gif
Only eco button is ur right foot  biggrin.gif
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i was wondering which gear it go so low 850rpm at high speed of 150kph.

then sudden flash in mind.... oh free gear lah!!

eco mode it went to free gear whenever possible. the system so banggala show u extended miled achieved hahaha.

in the end 1500 turbo fuel consumption is close to 2600cc old benz.
compare in term of city to city. hiway to hiway

btw. faster gear change possible due to tiny or light weight flywheel rite. not truly rely on gb only. im trying to say the enjin tuning has relation as well.

This post has been edited by ktek: Dec 22 2016, 03:26 PM
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post Dec 22 2016, 03:25 PM

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I think you guys better go test drive the Accord 2.0 first before commenting the 318i is slow and sluggish
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post Dec 22 2016, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(deeplyheartbroken @ Dec 22 2016, 03:25 PM)
I think you guys better go test drive the Accord 2.0 first before commenting the 318i is slow and sluggish
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come hows ur view on r20a after test.
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post Dec 22 2016, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 22 2016, 03:26 PM)
come hows ur view on r20a after test.
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Definitely not a car for power although it has decent executive looks. The dinosaur age 5 speed autobox & SOHC EFI (albeit with i-VTEC), seriously not in a place to fight with the 8 speed ZF & B38 engine with DI & turbo (despite being just a 1.5L 3 cylinder).

Sometimes drivers tend to rely too much on the "feeling" during test drives & etc, especially when gauging performance. Most cars actually performs much better in reality vs the "feeling" it gaves you. Coupled with technical specs from the car manufacturer, one should not let the "feeling" to brainwash you otherwise.

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taitianhin
post Dec 22 2016, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(deeplyheartbroken @ Dec 22 2016, 03:25 PM)
I think you guys better go test drive the Accord 2.0 first before commenting the 318i is slow and sluggish
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U own one 318i?

From What I know BMW tend to have slower response to acceleration paddle as oppose to Toyota and Honda...
U know BMW and mecz is selling to gentleman not crazy youngster

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Dec 22 2016, 03:48 PM)
U own one 318i?
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Already test driven one twice. The B38 engine is not bad at all. No noticeable vibration despite being a 3 cylinder.
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post Dec 22 2016, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Dec 22 2016, 10:07 AM)
Hahaha, 35% of the engine compartment is empty!  laugh.gif
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empty = easy to maintain (at least for the engineers).... too cramp is a very bad thing~
ayam begining to learn this the hard way haha

QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 22 2016, 02:20 PM)
ya... the design has weakess when u crash front. gb cooler and intercooler will damage
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most cars pun begitu.... u want it to do its job, its got to be in the clear, infront of everything else


QUOTE(taitianhin @ Dec 22 2016, 03:48 PM)
U own one 318i?

From What I know BMW tend to have slower response to acceleration paddle as oppose to Toyota and Honda...
U know BMW and mecz is selling to gentleman not crazy youngster
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technically... accord was designed to sell to unkers~ just saying...... beemer 3 series, youngsters pun pakai~
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post Dec 22 2016, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 22 2016, 03:17 PM)
i was wondering which gear it go so low 850rpm at high speed of 150kph.

then sudden flash in mind.... oh free gear lah!!

eco mode it went to free gear whenever possible. the system so banggala show u extended miled achieved hahaha.

in the end 1500 turbo fuel consumption is close to 2600cc old benz.
compare in term of city to city. hiway to hiway

btw. faster gear change possible due to tiny or light weight flywheel rite. not truly rely on gb only. im trying to say the enjin tuning has relation as well.
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LOL no wonder.. that sounds dangerous though bangwall.gif

True the gbox might not match the engine. It definitely match the 1.6 4 pot turbo though.
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Dec 22 2016, 03:54 PM)
empty =  easy to maintain (at least for the engineers).... too cramp is a very bad thing~
ayam begining to learn this the hard way haha
most cars pun begitu.... u want it to do its job, its got to be in the clear, infront of everything else
technically... accord was designed to sell to unkers~ just saying...... beemer 3 series, youngsters pun pakai~
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Hard to say...even in europe countries no beginner youngster drive beemer...as the acceleration is satisfying if you go for M series...
norm beemer is for the luxury and comfort feel, so those crazy speedup you got in Honda and Toyota may not apply.


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post Dec 22 2016, 04:02 PM

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You always can tune your 318i using racechip ultimate which is plug & play. Warranty & service is BMW current high point. In terms of safety, BMW is very detail in every aspect, not just about airbags & DTC. If you really want to talk about power, then ask yourself how high the probability for to drive like a crazy racer...

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