My point was that the current level 70 5-mans now aren't really meant for casuals. As a former raider, I see more emphasis on "raiding" style preparations to do them, eschewing the casual "pick up and go" from Azeroth. Yeah, I can clear them, but sometimes I'm amazed at the amount of "work" needed and I wonder if PuGs and casual players are able to do the same.

Let's be honest, once you get your quests and the loot you really want from say, Shadow Labyrinth, you will never want to go there again. In comparison, before TBC one can go DM again and again even though you have better loot, simply because you can go and have fun and be done with the place in less than 40 minutes (DM Tribute).

I just thought of it... many of the dungeons now feel like Sunken Temple. What a pain in the ass. How many of you guys skipped ST entirely, or just did one run and never went back? Heh.