Most car with projector headlamp come with yellowish halogen bulb
Which is more suitable for projector headlamp? Which is brighter and "shoots" further?
HID or LED bulb?

halogen longer light throw compare to led. but led better than halogen and hid

As per my experience, HID will have longer beam comparing to LED. IMO, LED beam is more focus but shorter beam. While, HID is vice versa. Brightness have to depends on the lumens. Your HID or LED bulbs are under which kind of category? China or original aftermarket?

HID hands down.... BUT it also depends on the projector lens...

MOST car???

u mean all PERODUA projector headlamp?



JDM/import car projector mostly run on HID but at 4300k rated bulb...

newer model runs on 5000k HID bulb from factory

and current trend now if not 5000k HID, factory will use LED


and only new perodua uses halogen projector headlamp....





as for which one is better for retrofit..depend on what u want....cheap reliable? expensive reliable? expensive reliable lower performance?


best LED headlight still wont get nowhere near best HID Projector... (not ahbeng cheap depo projector headlamp)

LED BULB conversion is as BAD as HID bulb conversion...

proper LED headlight system is LED projector conversion... google: Bi-LED projector retrofit

side note: google Bi-LED vs Bi-xenon

The new Honda Civic comes with Halogen projector which is really ugly. Thinking to change to HID or LED for the bright and white colour..

Now that you've mentioned it, my Civic's LEDs does indeed have a shorter throw than my previous car so I can confirm this.

LED's seem to work the best for me.
your mileage may vary though

if just bulb change for your current projector...


then definately u need HID bulb...not LED.. the LED bulb type not even decent performer....

because some good projector do accept HID bulb with decent performance (maintain sharp cut-off line, good hotspot)...but gotta try and see if its true on your car projector type

i see. i drive my bro's civic..i feel something wrong with the light throw..now i know why. (previously he drive 308 with hid projector).

Saw quite a lot of cars with stock halogen projector change to bright white HID/LED.
Now thinking of changing to OSRAM XENARC HID 6000K H11 on projector headlamp, and another size H8 6000k for fog lamp, as for high beam HB3 (9005) i will leave it stock with halogen type

This post has been edited by brandon8921: Dec 8 2016, 06:05 PM

for fog better maintain halogen....hid will cause glare...

highbeam should be halogen...because when use flash/turn on highbeam...we need fast start-up....

HID is slow start-up..so not really suitable for highbeam in separate design...


and dont go for 6000k.... 4300k-5000k is enough....u wont get better light output going higher colour range....

I sat in all three cars before and I really couldn't tell what difference in performance other than less energy consumption and looks nice

Beam throw all same like halogen

But still, my biggest concern was will it affect the beam pattern if change to HID? Had experience with my old vios that i change to HID and the beam pattern is totally unusable. It is like focus on 2 spot and not spread evenly on the road.
I understand this is due to reflector headlamp and not projector. But still...

Hid can only use a hid designed lamp , you cannot put a hid set into a halogen headlight , total waste of money , illegal and annoying as fak

Remember Jpj started clamping down on those idiots

The best best I can tell you is buy good halogen bulbs and you won't regret and save the hassle

This post has been edited by rcracer: Dec 9 2016, 11:30 AM

I just amazed with newest merz led headlamp. Damn bright but not glare opposite car

Argh. If the beam throw doesn't go far enough, ADJUST THE HEADLIGHT. Contis usually have a dial between steering wheel and door which lets you select how high you want to aim. If the car doesn't have that, there's something around the headlight itself that lets you adjust. But if you aim too high, you will blind other motorists, which is dangerous both for them and for you.

The problem is that depending on the load inside the car the headlights will aim too high or too low. So car manufacturers that don't have a dial inside will have to act conservative so that even with a full boot and passengers it won't aim too high... thus the short throw.

Do not install bulbs that were not meant for the car, unless you do a proper job retrofitting them. That doesn't just include lenses, but also having a way to quickly adjust where the headlights aim at, or better yet have the car do that automatically (almost all cars with HID have such an automatic system).

As for the Merc headlights... you're talking the Matrix LED ones? Nothing new. Opel had those a few years back already, and so did Audi I believe? And for HID these systems existed even longer. The only cool thing about the Merc ones is how many segments they have, and that they dim down the area around traffic signs too, so they don't reflect too brightly. I have such a HID based system in my Golf, and yeah, it's awesome. But the traffic signs do get too bright. I can highly recommend these systems, but I don't know any car in Malaysia that has it (as sold in Malaysia... there are quite a few models C segment and up that have such systems as an (expensive) option, on the Golf Mk 7 for example it's about RM 10k extra, around 1/8th or 1/9th of the price of a base spec Golf).

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 10 2016, 04:15 AM

Mind explain why do not install bulb not meant for the car? For example if my car stock is halogen projector, is it ok for me to just change HID bulb in the projector? Will it affect the beam pattern?

U need to know that halogen bulb/ projector are different vs hid oem bulb. The light beam pattern output also different.

I have installed to my really old car, waja which originally comes with Projector headlamps. Yes originally the light output is really poor from the H1 bulb.

Change it to Hid for that projector. Even struggled to make the e light output to have like original hid car equipped. There are like a dark area which cannot cover by this hid on halogen bulb.

Best part, kantoi-ed with JPJ. The summons maybe is payable, but to spend 3 hours (730am -11am) at Jpj wangsa maju for reinspection do killing my day. Ask the Jpj about retrofit hid headlamp (change hid bulb and hid light) legal status here, they said it still illegal and they have power to give the summons, although it rarely for jpj to make roadblock nowadays.

Now bought car with original led, is Great on night-morning time.

This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Dec 10 2016, 12:09 PM

I have compared the Honda LED with Mercedes E250 Led. It like the Merz have double brightness and more light intensity. Although the beam length is similar

Yes price is different.

BMW laser light fitted to the 7 series is fantastic

The way light is distributed out of the bulb is different for HID, halogen and LED. The projector lens is designed specially for the bulb that is meant to be in there, AND it has to be installed the right way (right orientation, position etc.). Even installing the right bulb but twisted a bit can mean the light output is terrible/not the way it's supposed to be.

Also, since HID and LED output more light than the others (and the light is more blinding... yellow is less painful than blue) more care is taken to ensure that at all times others aren't blinded. When I drove through France, I encountered an older French car. Even though his light was very bright/aimed the wrong way, I was fine with it.

Also, yellow/orange light is easy on the eyes, it is reflected better when it is wet (IMHO my HID is outright awesome when it is dry, but when it is wet I might as well turn off my headlights... ok, not that bad, but IIRC halogen was better). So maybe if you want to have better light without blinding others, use yellow headlights.



According to Wikipedia the advantages are:
Less blinding, animals don't stop and stare but run away, better visibility during fog and rain, contours are easier to recognize, it's easier to recognize potholes.


This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 11 2016, 11:40 PM

using LED too to replace normal halogen bulb..
the result is YES, LED has shorter distance of beam but brighter because 900 lumens (halogen) VS 3000 lumens (LED) (lumens is unit for brightnees, while K kelvin is unit for color output for beam)

so even LED is brighter, but when high beam its distance not far, so to overcome this problem they create projector LED which more focus beam the result is longer distance

LED is best but short lifetime.

Huh?

Led last as long as the car lo

Hid can last 5 years easily

Experience wise, love the hid light vs led. Both with original equipped with car.

Hid, takes few second to light up. Light kinda more intensity, love the straight light output, light beam pattern kinda short (based on w211 mercedes car)

LED. Straight up full light. Light kinda lesser intensity vs hid. But light beam kinda longer and further. Beam pattern kinda not really sharp straight. Based on accord 9th led

No point comparing the tech. There are some cars with pretty good halogen (I think the 3rd gen Megane is good), while others are awful. Likewise with HID and LED, though those tend to be better in general. But there are big differences from model to model, and even within the model... there are like 9 different headlights for the Golf Mk 7. Not even counting the facelift. Excluding facelift I believe there are 4 major variants that are entirely different in their light output. 1 halogen (reflector), 1 HID (static), 1 HID (adaptive), 1 LED (static).

Depends on your projector.

If your car comes with a stock projector for halogen, i would say HID is your best choice. Car comes with stock LED have very small and focus LED projector and most have at least 2 LED per headlamp to really brighten up the road. For car that dont comes with LED projector but with LED headlamp, they have at least 4 LED to power up the headlamp.

And one more thing, do not buy HID conversion kit that is too cheap, the colour temperature will not be accurate, the base of the bulb itself will be plastic making the bulb unstable even when its clamped inside your headlamp, this will greatly effect the beam from your headlamp as the bulb is not seated properly or wobbling around ( i assume H7 bulb with clamp )

Wow last post was in 2016.
Moving forward just purchase a 2nd hand navara year 2010. Reflective headlamp no projector with factory fitted Xenon D2R.

I do lots if night driving where there are no street lights. My xenons are more that 10 years and i find them not so effective in the dark.

What should go for. Maintain xenon are switch to led.

What specific model of bulb should i go for. I like the color of 5k to 6k.

Tx

personally, go with LED that can use back the HID ballast and D2R socket without need for conversion, plug and play.

you'll need to adjust the beam pattern a bit, other than that LED is the way forward.

I would suggest the same unit for replacement. It is known that the hid unit losing it power after few years using it, hence u saw less light output now compared to brand new

Am using LED in my projector, sample below

Does it blind the opposite drivers?

Definitely not. Watch till the end you'll see the beautiful cut off line and level of the lights. However I'm unsure of your ride but I didn't need to make any adjustment as it was all PnP. There's description in the video of where I bought it from.

This post has been edited by Scissorshand: Aug 18 2021, 10:51 AM

i'm on the same kit by GZSIMEWAY Store on Lazada!

I guess it depends on the halogen quality. Tried last time HID on old waja with projector, the light was scattered all over the place. Worst, kene saman by JPJ for rm300.

Now using car with LED stock from manufacturers