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cherroy
post Dec 19 2016, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 19 2016, 02:24 PM)
Frankly,... if BNM keeps sending more and more of her foreign reserves to defend and still the USD keep hammering,... what happens ??

Exporters must convert 75% back to MYR, that's the first step.

Second step ?

Surely cannot be just continue to defend until NO MORE reserves, right ?
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There are several of options.

1. Capital control just like what happened 1998.

2. Borrow USD from IMF, just like what happened on other crisis hit countries during 1998.

3. Issue USD denominated bond, instead RM, currently bulk of national borrowing is in RM.
Frankly speaking this is short term solution only, not something recommended.
1998 crisis imploded partly because there were plenty of borrowing in USD/Yen denominated. It was a messy situation when those borrowing currency rose.

Instead of keep on defending RM and intervening the forex market that may exhaust the foreign currency reserves, require exporter to convert is one way bring in USD, and create more demand for RM, hence lesser volatile movement for RM.

4. Raise interest rate, by then domestic bond yield become more attractive, more capital inflow.

5. Any type of measures that can induce higher trade surplus and current account surplus.

6. Adopt more currencies swap between agreed countries, that reduce the demand for USD.

Frankly speaking, there is no urgency for 1, 2, & 3 for time being, as foreign currency reserves still able to cover for short term debt, although not by big margin.
We need to see how the trend and how situation is unfolding. There is simply too much uncertainty factor out there.
Little people expected Trump to win the presidency speaks how today world become so unpredictable.




This post has been edited by cherroy: Dec 19 2016, 04:38 PM
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post Dec 19 2016, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 19 2016, 04:30 PM)
There are several of options.

1. Capital control just like what happened 1998.

2. Borrow USD from IMF, just like what happened on other crisis hit countries during 1998.

3. Issue USD denominated bond, instead RM, currently bulk of national borrowing is in RM.
Frankly speaking this is short term solution only, not something recommended.
1998 crisis imploded partly because there were plenty of borrowing in USD/Yen denominated. It was a messy situation when those borrowing currency rose.

Instead of keep on defending RM and intervening the forex market that may exhaust the foreign currency reserves, require exporter to convert is one way bring in USD, and create more demand for RM, hence lesser volatile movement for RM.

4. Raise interest rate, by then domestic bond yield become more attractive, more capital inflow.

5. Any type of measures that can induce higher trade surplus and current account surplus.

6. Adopt more currencies swap between agreed countries, that reduce the demand for USD.

Frankly speaking, there is no urgency for 1, 2, & 3 for time being, as foreign currency reserves still able to cover for short term debt, although not by big margin.
We need to see how the trend and how situation is unfolding. There is simply too much uncertainty factor out there.
Little people expected Trump to win the presidency speaks how today world become so unpredictable.
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Low interest rate since 2011 has resulted in mis-allocations of credit to unproductive sectors e.g. residential property bubble. To realign credit to productive sectors, interest rate should rise by 200 basis points over the next 2 years.

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post Dec 19 2016, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Dec 19 2016, 04:22 PM)
Ringgit will not crash.

An analysis of the ringgit pattern during every last quarter of the year exemplifies that even though the currency remains volatile and people become jittery, it is not going to crash, and will hardly be traded beyond 4.50 against the US dollar, an economist said.

I wonder if these 'experts' have vested interests in making such speculations or they are 'instructed' by higher ups to contain panic among the public? hmm.gif
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these "experts" are just selling snake oil with the idea, "what comes down will go up" - automatically, by itself, no need to do anything.

but we know certain things like gravity... "what comes down stays down" or what goes down can go down further" - until new powerful forces come into play.

at this time, there is only one new force - BNM intervention with reserves.
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post Dec 19 2016, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 19 2016, 04:30 PM)
2. Borrow USD from IMF, just like what happened on other crisis hit countries during 1998.
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dr m did not do that in 1998 due to the conditions imposed by IMF.
the same conditions will apply now - and will be rejected.
becos the conditions will be about nep, civil service, mega projects.

going back to 1998, certain things happened to help the turnaround besides the peg. will current gomen do something like that or stick to "it will rebound (by itself)"?

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By Autumn Malaysia’s government seems to have come around to the view that it needed to put its own house in order, rather than blame others for its problems. In early September the government deferred spending on several high profile infra-structure projects[/B] including its prestigious Bakun dam project. This was followed in December 1997 by the release of plans to cut state spending by 18%. The government also stated that it [B]will not bail out any corporations that become insolvent as a result of excess borrowing. Then in January 1998, IMF managing director Michel Camdessus, stated that Malaysia was correct in asserting that it did not need an IMF rescue package to get it through the regional financial crisis. "Malaysia is not facing a crisis in the same way as some of the other countries in the region, " he said, noting the authorities have taken measures to deal with the difficulties, particularly on the fiscal side. On the other hand, he did state that the government needed to raise interest rates to slow credit growth, moderate inflationary pressures and support the weakening currency.
http://www.wright.edu/~tdung/asiancrisis-hill.htm
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QUOTE(xpmm @ Dec 19 2016, 05:11 PM)
just came back from hsbc chatting with staffs there. bnm now control very tight. all dual currency investment clients must declare loan free, otherwise cannot DCI anymore.
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Still DCI is available.


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post Dec 19 2016, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 19 2016, 05:08 PM)
dr m did not do that in 1998 due to the conditions imposed by IMF.
the same conditions will apply now - and will be rejected.
becos the conditions will be about nep, civil service, mega projects.

going back to 1998, certain things happened to help the turnaround besides the peg. will current gomen do something like that or stick to "it will rebound (by itself)"?
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Borrowing from IMF would be like borrowing from a Loan Shark, a Global Loan Shark. It would allow them to exert enormous leverage over the economies as well of policies of running the country.

Heard Dr M had a Jew as an economic advisor by his side then. Not sure how true it was.
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post Dec 19 2016, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Dec 19 2016, 05:23 PM)
Borrowing from IMF would be like borrowing from a Loan Shark, a Global Loan Shark. It would allow them to exert enormous leverage over the economies as well of policies of running the country.

Heard Dr M had a Jew as an economic advisor by his side then. Not sure how true it was.
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the indisciplined ones will become more miserable.

some made it good with IMF - thailand got out of the mess with IMF borrowings quite quickly.

so did ireland more recently.



like any borrowing, it is only good if used properly for financially sound purpose(s).

hence the IMF conditions.

for greece or any country.

no handicaps, no privileges, no special rights.




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post Dec 19 2016, 05:38 PM

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Just a reminder,
Please focus on financial issue aspect, and refrain from any potential further political talk, as this is a financial section, so that the topic is not deviated.

Thank you
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post Dec 19 2016, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Dec 19 2016, 05:23 PM)
Borrowing from IMF would be like borrowing from a Loan Shark, a Global Loan Shark. It would allow them to exert enormous leverage over the economies as well of policies of running the country.

Heard Dr M had a Jew as an economic advisor by his side then. Not sure how true it was.
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The biggest mistake during that time, was the so called plenty of international expert advice by using high interest rate to counter the on going crisis.

All crisis hit countries be it IMF aided or non recovered after the interest rate was lowered down to be more optimum level, instead in double digit rate.


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post Dec 19 2016, 06:22 PM

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we watch for this...

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Petronas to cut production in 2017
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/366616


what and how decreased output and price change will impact revenues, dividends, debt... and budget 2017... and the RM.
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MOF: Don't panic, ringgit will bounce back
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...ll-bounce-back/

meanwhile another report..

Emerging currencies, including ringgit, to remain volatile next year, World Bank official says
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.KGMKQlOl.dpuf

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post Dec 19 2016, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 19 2016, 06:29 PM)
MOF: Don't panic, ringgit will bounce back
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...ll-bounce-back/

meanwhile another report..

Emerging currencies, including ringgit, to remain volatile next year, World Bank official says
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.KGMKQlOl.dpuf
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Don't see how ringgit will not drop further since FED is planning to raise interest rates aggressively next year. Let's see if our governator dares to make surprise brows.gif raise cut again..
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post Dec 19 2016, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 7 2016, 08:07 PM)
Ringgit seen stabilising in 1Q2017 - Miti
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...ing-1q2017-miti
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What are the steps taken by the government to strengten the Riggit?
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QUOTE(888Ninja @ Dec 19 2016, 09:53 PM)
What are the steps taken by the government to strengten the Riggit?
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No step taken for now..
More like interfering to make sure myr don't get weaker & move toward 5.00 devil.gif
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post Dec 19 2016, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 7 2016, 09:05 PM)
Benefit is not the right word.

How to benefit when more rm is needed to buy the same thing?

It is about protection of wealth, not benefit.

Of course, no protection or hedging, u lose.
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I agree, sir. Though, in your opinion, what form of hedging can the common public have? and what strategy?
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QUOTE(Mystic888 @ Dec 19 2016, 10:38 PM)
I agree, sir. Though, in your opinion, what form of hedging can the common public have? and what strategy?
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i'm afraid there is no good answer to yr question.

common public = ?

this topic started 2 years ago:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4140626

if u read enough, u will find diff people did diff things.

if new, do check the various threads in this section - fd, fsm, gold, reits, unit trusts, dci, foreign equities.




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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 19 2016, 11:00 PM)
i'm afraid there is no good answer to yr question.

common public = ?

this topic started 2 years ago:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4140626

if u read enough, u will find diff people did diff things.

if new, do check the various threads in this section - fd, fsm, gold, reits, unit trusts, dci, foreign equities.
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gold really bleeding atm and our rate is way to low for fd returns. I think they should start pushing up the rates soon. them as in BNM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 19 2016, 11:06 PM)
gold really bleeding atm and our rate is way to low for fd returns. I think they should start pushing up the rates soon. them as in BNM
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Cannot hike rate also or lots of people will default. Some people borrow personal loan to go for monthly spa/shopping spree/yearly holiday.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 19 2016, 05:44 PM)
The biggest mistake during that time, was the so called plenty of international expert advice by using high interest rate to counter the on going crisis.

All crisis hit countries be it IMF aided or non recovered after the interest rate was lowered down to be more optimum level, instead in double digit rate.
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Those who experienced 1997 would know better. 10% interest rates for car loans. sweat.gif

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 19 2016, 06:22 PM)
we watch for this...
what and how decreased output and price change will impact revenues, dividends, debt... and budget 2017... and the RM.
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Yes, when petrol prices soar, so will price of goods and inflation will rise. So will RM appreciatiate just because global petrol prices go up?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 19 2016, 11:06 PM)
gold really bleeding atm and our rate is way to low for fd returns. I think they should start pushing up the rates soon. them as in BNM
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I agree with that. Thats the only few positive ways to prevent so much outflow of the RM. However, I agree that local consumption will suffer too. Markets are already slow now. sweat.gif

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