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 ASX COUNTERS !, Everything related to the Aus Sec Exc !

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Ramjade
post Mar 29 2017, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 29 2017, 11:16 PM)
Take a step at one time. You are too rush in investment.

Good luck.
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For me I learnt my lesson with SG. Waiting too long will cause doors to close which made me almost miss the SG door. I am not going to loose that chance again. Open account first, then invest later. laugh.gif
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post Mar 30 2017, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 30 2017, 02:48 PM)
Sometimes,... there is no choice, we can't control events around us,... if one joins the bandwagon late, then he will have to go look for another opportunity,..

Ermm,... I think Aus will not close their doors so soon. That's what I noticed,...

I've been talking abt SG closing its doors since late 2015,... if you guys look back (if you have the time) at my posts,... Some signs that I observed were very clear back then,.. I could hear them talking abt Msia when I attended their events.

Hence,... I out in a lot of warnings in this forum,... till I was reprimanded against here for saying doors closing, etc,...

So,... today,... I would like to say Aus is still very much investor-friendly,...
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Recommend to open a bank there or a broker is enough?
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 30 2017, 03:19 PM)
Can do later, bro,...stabilise yourself in SG, learn the ASX instruments first,... they're different from the SG environment,...

Can open a brokerage without an Aussie address ?  ohmy.gif
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Can biggrin.gif But all documents need to be verified if I am not mistaken (not sure) and send down.

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post Mar 30 2017, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 30 2017, 04:06 PM)
I think you said 'can' because you are using yr relative's or friend's or whoever's Aussie address. You are not allowed to use yr KL address,... or tell me if I am wrong, and that you can use your KL address to open a brokerage.  biggrin.gif

You are full of surprises,...  rclxms.gif 

You have to appear in person,... not send down yr documents.
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First I don't have anybody in AU.
Second, see here.
https://www.ig.com/au/create-account

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Return your PDF form to us:

E: accountopening.au@ig.com
Fax: +61(3) 9860 1702
Post: IG Markets Ltd, L15, 55 Collins Street, Melbourne VIC 3000, Australia

Before we activate your account, Australian regulations require that we verify every client's identity.

You can find information on the easiest way to verify your identity below.

Please send a photo of the required documents to accountopening.au@ig.com or upload through the trading platform.
https://www.ig.com/au/proof-of-identity-new

Bonus:
Opening account with 8 Securities (HK)
(i) Can I open an account from overseas?
(ii) How do I open an account?
(ii) How do I submit my completed application?

If SG, HK (8securities, chief), US (IB, TDameritrade, etc) can open via mail, what makes you think AU cannot? tongue.gif

That's why I asked you. Worth to open AUD account or not or a broker account is enough?

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Ramjade
post Apr 10 2017, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 10 2017, 10:06 PM)
Yeah,... without the full grossed-up dividend, the returns would be lower than Sg's. On yr US equities, aren't you taxed at 30% withholding taxes too ? What I understood is that all US equities investments outside of the US would have the dividend payout tax-withheld at 30% of the amount declared.

You should find a way to claim back those franking credits, ie that 30% tax which is withheld from your Aussie dividend payouts. Then it would be very worthwhile.
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You found a way to get the full dividend? hmm.gif
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post Apr 10 2017, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 10 2017, 10:22 PM)
No...we are not taxed by the US tax authorities. That is what the WBEN 8 form is for. To declare that one is not a tax resident in US.
i have never been taxed for my dividends or capital gains.
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Interesting... hmm.gif What broker are you using anyway?

Btw, how to explain this post? I am sure wben8 form was submitted to standard chartered but he still kena charge 30%. (no need to read. Just scroll down to the apple dividend part)
http://www.turtleinvestor.net/get-to-know-...ithholding-tax/

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post Apr 11 2017, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 11 2017, 12:59 AM)
Prophet, the W8-BEN Form is to prove that you are a non-US Resident, and the IRS Laws say that you will not be taxed against your capital gains. However, your dividend will be taxed at a withholding rate of 30% against the dpu declared by the US payer. This 30% may be waived if your payer has a certain arrangement with the IRS, as in Manulife US REIT.

Perhaps I missed something, but where do you see that, after filling-in the W8-BEN Form saying you are a non-US Resident, you will not be taxed in both capital gains and dividend payout ?

What you have been experiencing all these years, having invested into US counters so well, ie being tax-free on both of the above is indeed very encouraging for us to invest into US counters. Can you kindly enlighten us further ?
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Exactly for the bolded parts. Or else those mat sallehs who do ETFs will not try to find a way around US 30% tax by going via London/Ireland if it's really tax free.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 11 2017, 01:04 AM)
No, I have not.
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I thought you found the Holy Grail thumbup.gif
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post Apr 11 2017, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 08:43 AM)
General Instructions For definitions of terms used throughout these instructions, see Definitions, later. Purpose of Form Establishing status for chapter 3 purposes. Foreign persons are subject to U.S. tax at a 30% rate on income they receive from U.S. sources that consists of: Interest (including certain original issue discount (OID)); Dividends; Rents; Royalties; Premiums; Annuities; Compensation for, or in expectation of, services performed; Substitute payments in a securities lending transaction; or Other fixed or determinable annual or periodical gains, profits, or income. This tax is imposed on the gross amount paid and is generally collected by withholding under section 1441. A payment is considered to have been made whether it is made directly to the beneficial owner or to another person, such as an intermediary, agent, or partnership, for the benefit of the beneficial owner. In addition, section 1446 requires a partnership conducting a trade or business in the United States to withhold tax on a foreign partner's distributive share of the partnership's effectively connected taxable income. Generally, a foreign person that is a partner in a partnership that submits a Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1441 or 1442 will satisfy the documentation requirements under section 1446 as well. However, in some cases the documentation requirements of sections 1441 and 1442 do not match the documentation requirements of section 1446. See Regulations sections 1.1446-1 through 1.1446-6.
Note. The owner of a disregarded entity (including an individual), rather than the disregarded entity itself, must submit the appropriate Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1446. If you receive certain types of income, you must provide Form W-8BEN to: Establish that you are not a U.S. person; Claim that you are the beneficial owner of the income for which Form W-8BEN is being provided or a foreign partner in a partnership subject to section 1446; and If applicable, claim a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding as a resident of a foreign country with which the United States has an income tax treaty and who is eligible for treaty benefits. You may also be required to submit Form W-8BEN to claim an exception from domestic information reporting and backup withholding (at the backup withholding rate under section 3406) for certain types of income that are not subject to foreign-person withholding at a rate of 30% under section 1441. Such income includes: Broker proceeds; Short-term (183 days or less) original issue discount (OID); Bank deposit interest; Foreign source interest, dividends, rents, or royalties; and Proceeds from a wager placed by a nonresident alien individual in the games of blackjack, baccarat, craps, roulette, or big-6 wheel. A withholding agent or payer of the income may rely on a properly completed Form W-8BEN to treat a payment associated with the Form W-8BEN as a payment to a foreign person who beneficially owns the amounts paid. If applicable, the withholding agent may rely on the Form W-8BEN to apply a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding at source. Provide Form W-8BEN to the withholding agent or payer before income is paid or credited to you. Failure to provide a Form W-8BEN when requested may lead to withholding at the foreign-person withholding rate of 30% or the backup withholding rate under section 3406.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8ben.pdf
I looked at my dividend advice from my broker again and it says:

Gross dividend  USDXXXXXX

Tax:  0.000 %    biggrin.gif
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prophetjul, Hansel reply from those in the US threads.
QUOTE(danmooncake @ Apr 11 2017, 04:07 AM)
Yes. AFAIK, the W8BEN is the notification to the broker that tells them you're non-resident.
Non-resident subject to tax withholding (up to 30%) for dividends but no capital gain tax.

For example:
You're getting 50c dividends for every X share you own. 30% of 50c goes into IRS withholding.
If you file US tax by April 15 of that calendar year, you can claim back half of that. Assuming 15% is standard based on income level. Hopefully, it is significant so that it is worth the effort. A lot of non-resident just ignores it and don't file because
usually it isn't significant amount.
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prophetjul, you are damn lucky thumbup.gif thumbsup.gif biggrin.gif Maybe it's broker side. Which broker are you using?
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post Apr 11 2017, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 09:51 AM)
Ram

I don't think 30% is a given.

If you read the IRS statement, your with holding tax agent can make an appeal for exemption.

Meaning my broker's agent may be very good at his job!    biggrin.gif
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Means broker like Standard Chartered is bad as the person kena tax tongue.gif
So which broker are you using?

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post Apr 13 2017, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 13 2017, 09:10 PM)
Yeah prophet,.. your NRZ divvy will be paid out in April 28th., Friday,.. 48.00 US Cts per share.

If there is a withholding tax imposed, you will receive only 33.60 US Cts per share.

Otherwise, you will receive the FULL 48.00 US Cts per share.

Let's observe together,....

Added : Actually NRZ is a US REIT, into resudential properties, hence, different in investment objectives from Manulife US REIT. The price has been onan appreciating trend for the last 5 tp 6 year, and the divvy payout has been growing from 45 US Cts to 48 US Cts this round !

Judging from all these quick-look data, I noticed this ctr is very attractive. Great work, prophet,...

Divvy payout is quarterly, and the current annualized dpu = 1.92 US Cts. Against the last done price of USD17.28, the yield works out to be 11.12%. If there is going to be a WHT imposed, we will still be able to catch a yield of 7.784%.

Earning 7.784% is always better than earning USD Term Deposit rates,...

https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?symbol=NRZ

http://www.dividend.com/dividend-stocks/fi...t-history-chart
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What if I tell you that there's a office reit in HK giving 8.xx%. This is without any WHT. HKD is pegged to the USD so you know whistling.gif brows.gif
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post Apr 13 2017, 09:38 PM

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post Apr 14 2017, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 14 2017, 08:35 AM)
TLS is a dividend share or cap growth share ? Coz I see the dividend yield is ard 4%++

Buy for regular income is a wise choice, sifu Hansel?
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Telecommunication shares are usually for dividends + defensive overtime.
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post Apr 14 2017, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 14 2017, 02:23 PM)
o.k i PAK TURUT.. follow.
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You do know this is NYSE not ASX right?
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post Apr 14 2017, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 14 2017, 02:26 PM)
yes la...  I hv not bought anything with ASX yet...

now USD drop a bit mah... can look see.

dunno want buy from MKE or DBS vickers...

Baby Steps.. towards right direction..
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Use 8 securities. Is commission free. Based in HK but can buy US stocks for free and pay using USD. Alternatively, look at other US based broker, I haven't research US broker yet.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 18 2017, 11:50 AM)
TPG will need time to grow,... it has a lot of commitments now,... it is the fourth telco now in both SG and AU,.... I heard that the owner is David Teoh,... same nationality as you and I,... biggrin.gif

Hmm,... why never done anything for Msia ?

Funny how things turned out - both of my telco ctrs in SG and AU are HIT by this David fella,... both Starhub and Telstra,... what did I do to him in the previous life ?  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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How to do in Malaysia? Monopoly here and there.

QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 18 2017, 11:56 AM)
Me too. I also have Starhub. Shall i avoid Singtel also and sell off Starhub ?
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I avoid starhub after founding out that their dividends are paid via loans and balance sheet not strong (not sustainable). I have faith in Singtel. Singtel is cash rich and have strong balance sheet so no worries for now. Singtel might still have few more juices to squeeze out for few more years until TPG becomes fully operational.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 18 2017, 12:37 PM)
Ha,... biggrin.gif  Singtel is hit even worse than I am,... hit on the home turf by TPG and their subsid Optus hit by TPG too in AUS.
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But TPG only have the smallest spectrum to play right? And it's also 4G only in SG. No 4G no signal. laugh.gif
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post May 21 2017, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ May 21 2017, 04:54 PM)
why there is not volume for Fraser Log Aud ?
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It's not listed on ASX. It's listed on SGX. BWQU is the code for AUD
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post May 22 2017, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ May 22 2017, 04:41 PM)
U buy FLT or BWQU? i m confused. Help
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BWQU is denominated in AUD. Why should I buy BWQU when I can buy BUOU which is denominated in SGD?

If I buy BWQU, bank will earn extra on forex conversion (SGD > AUD) and I will earn lesser.

I buy FLT (BUOU) to prevent getting 30% withholding tax vs if I buy an ASX listed industrial reit which will be taxed 30%. I don't have aceess to AU market and decided not to go AU route so BUOU is the only choice I have.

You have acess to AU market. So compare la BWQU yield vs other AU industrial reit. Who knows you can get better deal (after plus 30% tax?) By comparing BWQU vs other AU industrial reit, it's a level playing field as both is denominated in AUD. Yield also in AUD. You don't need to pening kepala to convert into SGD.

Eg.
BWQU give 7% yield (in AUD). This is juat an eg. I don't know how much is the yield in AUD.
Reit X listed on ASX give 11% yield (in AUD). After plus 30% tax, nett yield = 7.7%

Reit X would be the better choice over BWQU if all things are even.

Hope that's clear.
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ May 22 2017, 08:52 PM)
Thanks Ram for clear explanation.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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If you can find anything which is better than Frasers logistics trust listed on ASX, let us know. Maybe I go open AU broker account to buy tongue.gif
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post Jun 6 2017, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 6 2017, 11:42 PM)
Well,.. bro, for one, this fella DOES NOT hold bank shares. Hence, his emotional tendency would be to find all possible faults with banks.

Secondly, as equities investors, if we don't invest into bank shares at all,... what else can we risk our funds on ??
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How about oil and gold devil.gif Thrill of the roller coaster ride.

Banks should be a must in all portfolio. Find a good stable bank and stick with it. Eg Public Bank.

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