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post Jun 10 2008, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(songbo @ Jun 10 2008, 01:36 AM)
finally creative came out with new driver
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yap, more than a week doh.gif i even don't know about it because recently this thread became 'X-FI modding' thread... tongue.gif
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post Jun 10 2008, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 10 2008, 01:42 AM)
yap, more than a week doh.gif i even don't know about it because recently this thread became 'X-FI modding' thread... tongue.gif
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Yeah, very funny when we think about it tongue.gif

Anyway, lets talk about something other than modding. I played all the games that supporting EAX Advance HD like F.E.A.R, Quake4, Doom3 and I just shocking.gif It sounds heads and shoulder better than any cards that I've tested before, the only thing I can't test is Battlefield 2 since my CD is damaged doh.gif but anyway it really makes it more immense and suspense to the game nod.gif

Anyway, what's new in the new beta driver? I don't think I need to change, the driver I use now is doing fine smile.gif
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post Jun 10 2008, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jun 10 2008, 12:47 PM)
Yeah, very funny when we think about it tongue.gif

Anyway, lets talk about something other than modding. I played all the games that supporting EAX Advance HD like F.E.A.R, Quake4, Doom3 and I just shocking.gif It sounds heads and shoulder better than any cards that I've tested before, the only thing I can't test is Battlefield 2 since my CD is damaged doh.gif  but anyway it really makes it more immense and suspense to the game nod.gif

Anyway, what's new in the new beta driver? I don't think I need to change, the driver I use now is doing fine smile.gif
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You're hooking a 5.1 setup to your XFi ?
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post Jun 10 2008, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Jun 10 2008, 01:30 PM)
You're hooking a 5.1 setup to your XFi ?
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No, I never have any 5.1 setup. Everything is just stereo
coolkwc
post Jun 10 2008, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jun 10 2008, 12:47 PM)
Yeah, very funny when we think about it tongue.gif

Anyway, lets talk about something other than modding. I played all the games that supporting EAX Advance HD like F.E.A.R, Quake4, Doom3 and I just shocking.gif It sounds heads and shoulder better than any cards that I've tested before, the only thing I can't test is Battlefield 2 since my CD is damaged doh.gif  but anyway it really makes it more immense and suspense to the game nod.gif

Anyway, what's new in the new beta driver? I don't think I need to change, the driver I use now is doing fine smile.gif
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Yap, gaming this card is awesome... thumbup.gif I test battlefield2 before, got little compatible issue, need to update the game to latest patch, and others sound card can't compare with it...

not much improved in this new driver, but for me it is good because the uneven level of THD, DR and Noise test in RMAA all solved, so i think it might modified something such as sampling rate in Entertainment mode...still discover something new now....unfortunately the ASIO bug still there, make it major drawback of this driver.. doh.gif
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post Jun 10 2008, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 10 2008, 03:22 PM)
not much improved in this new driver, but for me it is good because the uneven level of THD, DR and Noise test in RMAA all solved, so i think it might modified something such as sampling rate in Entertainment mode...still discover something new now....unfortunately the ASIO bug still there, make it major drawback of this driver.. doh.gif
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What ASIO bug? Anyway when I tested RMAA again, there is a huge spike on higher frequency on the left channel doh.gif probably mess something up but I don't know what cause this, although I can't hear any defect when playing music, games etc
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post Jun 10 2008, 05:34 PM

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this thread becomes so technical now sweat.gif tongue.gif
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post Jun 10 2008, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jun 10 2008, 04:03 PM)
What ASIO bug? Anyway when I tested RMAA again, there is a huge spike on higher frequency on the left channel doh.gif probably mess something up but I don't know what cause this, although I can't hear any defect when playing music, games etc
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the pitch become higher when using foobar + Creave ASIO doh.gif ....and after using ASIO windows need 5 minutes to restart/shutdown, this problem exist from the beginning, not fixed, i don't know whether you all got problem or not...


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QUOTE(songbo @ Jun 10 2008, 05:34 PM)
this thread becomes so technical now  sweat.gif  tongue.gif
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hehe, if you search back the last 3-4 pages you will only saw i, najmods and UNDERGROUND posted here, don't know others Creative X-FI user where they went adi... yawn.gif

EDIT: hehe, shame to tell you all i just know how to use all the slider/effect/button in Audio Creation Mode today although i own this card for nearly 5 months doh.gif , anyway very funny to tweak around tongue.gif and i will use it in future rather than Entertainment mode...but need to find the way to fix the ASIO problem first.

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Jun 10 2008, 08:38 PM
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post Jun 10 2008, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 10 2008, 08:33 PM)
the pitch become higher when using foobar + Creave ASIO doh.gif ....and after using ASIO windows need 5 minutes to restart/shutdown, this problem exist from the beginning, not fixed, i don't know whether you all got problem or not...

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Never experienced it before. Very weird that most of you guys having problem with Creative products, I have none, even my old SB Live! have none my current X-Fi work like clockwork even when I messed up the left channel and doesn't need to change driver or anything
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post Jun 10 2008, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jun 10 2008, 11:00 PM)
Never experienced it before. Very weird that most of you guys having problem with Creative products, I have none, even my old SB Live! have none my current X-Fi work like clockwork even when I messed up the left channel and doesn't need to change driver or anything
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actually X-FI also trouble free for me except the ASIO...about the incorrect pitch and slow restart can solved if i matched the player sampling rate with Creative Audio Creation Mode Master sampling rate, that means if i set the master sampling as 96khz, in foobar i need to use resampler and set it as 96khz, same as others player such as TTplayer...

anyway, for ASIO, the latest official is the best...i will try to test this beta thoroughly...

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Jun 10 2008, 11:37 PM
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post Jun 11 2008, 01:42 AM

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Hi, X-Fi user here.

I have X-Fi Xtreme Music. Quick question. How am I supposed to install the latest creative driver.
I have installed X-Fi driver from installation CD. Been very good playing games.

Now playing GRID game. Can run fine, except I have to turn off hardware sound acceleration in dxdiag.
If paly DIRT, have to set full hardware acceleration. If not, can not launch. rclxub.gif

I tried to install the latest driver for X-Fi, but ended mess up with current driver. Not improving, rather causing more problem.
Rear and center speaker do not ouptut sound. Retried and reinstall many times.

Using XP.
So, how is exactly to install the latest firmware?

Thanks a lot notworthy.gif
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post Jun 11 2008, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(kerollowyat @ Jun 11 2008, 01:42 AM)
Hi, X-Fi user here.

I have X-Fi Xtreme Music. Quick question. How am I supposed to install the latest creative driver.
I have installed X-Fi driver from installation CD. Been very good playing games.

Now playing GRID game. Can run fine, except I have to turn off hardware sound acceleration in dxdiag.
If paly DIRT, have to set full hardware acceleration. If not, can not launch.  rclxub.gif

I tried to install the latest driver for X-Fi, but ended mess up with current driver. Not improving, rather causing more problem.
Rear and center speaker do not ouptut sound. Retried and reinstall many times.

Using XP.
So, how is exactly to install the latest firmware?

Thanks a lot  notworthy.gif
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you said which latest driver? official 2.15.006 or Beta 2.18.000? anyway, if you are using latest official 2.15.006 driver, they are different from the ori driver came from CD....in latest driver, you will get one more function in the windows volume mixer as circled below...
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click on it and you will open the windows below...
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Channel 5 = Real left, channel 6 = Real right, channel 7 = Center, default if you control the volume through the Creative volume knob, this 3 channels will be closed, so no sound will be heard even you are in 5.1 setup, you need to adjust it manually for everytime you adjust volume knob in Creative console, this was known bug from this driver....for latest beta, the problem solved...

in order to uninstall the driver completely, use the exe file from your CD, the path is <drive>:\Audio\drivers\setup.exe....double click it and select as shown Attached Image , this should uninstall well, no need to use any other 3rd party uninstaller/registry cleaner as many users done, overkill adi...

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post Jun 11 2008, 04:34 PM

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First of all, thank for the help (got pics also). I'm going to try it again. notworthy.gif
Before this, I dont how many times, I need to do the procedure all over again. rclxub.gif
I even disable everything - antivirus, firewall..
Really frustrating

Now I know why no sound in rear and center speaker. I try many settings, restart many times. No luck at that time.

I tried to install the official driver, problem occur with no sound in speaker. Then, try to install the beta, the problem still persist.
During the installation, a prompt asking me to install newer Audio CS. One time I said yes, then all modes are gone.
2nd time, I said no, mode available, but got prob with speaker - no sound.

You're right. Tried using add/remove program, got BSOD. Need to go to safe mode, only can uninstall.
Anyway, I'll try to uninstall using your method.

After I uninstall the driver, what's the next step.
So, I install the offical driver first, then the beta driver. Correct?
Just double click the driver installer, and follow the instruction?

I'm using XP with 4G ram, the official driver should fix this, according to the details.
Then, the Beta should fix the problem with crash while playing certain game, like GRID.

Hopefully, I'll get it fix this time

Thanks a lot. Thanks2 thumbup.gif

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post Jun 11 2008, 06:15 PM

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no, why you need to install official then follow by beta? if you want to install any version of driver, no need to install the driver from CD then follow by that, no need, just straight away uninstall the old one and install the latest new one...
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post Jun 11 2008, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 11 2008, 06:15 PM)
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no, why you need to install official then follow by beta? if you want to install any version of driver, no need to install the driver from CD then follow by that, no need, just straight away uninstall the old one and install the latest new one...
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Owh I see.
I thought that's the procedure.
Because the official driver address issue with 4G ram. Thought need to install that one first, to fix the issue.
So, the latest one will cover all the issue and fix it. No need to install official driver first. OK.

So, uninstall only the driver (not SB X-Fi at Add/Remove Program), then install the beta driver.
Double click, and follow the instructions.
Alright

Thanks a lot icon_rolleyes.gif


EDIT.

I just installed the latest beta driver.
But, it seem the problem still there. I have to manually adjusted manually for the rear and center sound, every time I changed the volume.

EDIT

Rear sound heard from center and rear speaker. Weird
Uninstall everything. Install using the latest official driver. Work fine. No rear and center sound. Fixed it. Contorl the volume using Windows sound panel.
Can not play GRID with full hardware sound acceleration, though.

IMO, beta driver is a totally no. It's not even solve the problem that it claimed, it make it worse.
No improvement / fix. Totally mess up.
Anyone plan to install the beta, strongly recommend you to not.

Thanks a lot.

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post Jun 13 2008, 08:33 PM

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Hmm, why is this thread is dying? Where is the modder and user?

I get annoyed by the left channel distortion, so I looking what causing it, by nook or by crook, I check where is the problem by shorting some part of the PCB, first try is after decoupling to opamp (my first guess is the small resistor after the decoupling), but its not it, the problem still there. Then I try straight from opamp out to RCA jack bypassing everything after that (my 2nd guess), yeah I hit the jackpot thumbup.gif !

Now it sounds much clearer, and furthermore it fixed the DC offset voltage problem, now its 19mV on both channel rclxm9.gif
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post Jun 13 2008, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jun 13 2008, 08:33 PM)
Hmm, why is this thread is dying? Where is the modder and user?

I get annoyed by the left channel distortion, so I looking what causing it, by nook or by crook, I check where is the problem by shorting some part of the PCB, first try is after decoupling to opamp (my first guess is the small resistor after the decoupling), but its not it, the problem still there. Then I try straight from opamp out to RCA jack bypassing everything after that (my 2nd guess), yeah I hit the jackpot thumbup.gif !

Now it sounds much clearer, and furthermore it fixed the DC offset voltage problem, now its 19mV on both channel rclxm9.gif
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lol, modder actually only got you, me and UNDERGROUND, where got others adi?haha rclxm9.gif i'm always here to wait you make this thread alive tongue.gif ...i also wonder the function of those component after the opamp....

how about bypass the input opamp as shown? hmm.gif brows.gif try it, no try no gain... tongue.gif rclxm9.gif
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post Jun 13 2008, 09:11 PM

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Yeah there is only 3 modders here laugh.gif tongue.gif

Well, I don't know what are those resistor or whatever there is for, don't know much about electronics. I'm more street smart than book smart tongue.gif

Its simple, just run a small wire from opamp output, then connect it to RCA or 3.5mm jack output, you can't bypass it with internal 3.5mm though

Further checking, I read the DC offset wrongly, its 190mV not 19mV doh.gif rclxub.gif whistling.gif

Without opamp, the DC offset is staggering 6.9V shocking.gif

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post Jun 13 2008, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jun 13 2008, 09:11 PM)
Yeah there is only 3 modders here  laugh.gif  tongue.gif

Well, I don't know what are those resistor or whatever there is for, don't know much about electronics. I'm more street smart than book smart tongue.gif

Its simple, just run a small wire from opamp output, then connect it to RCA or 3.5mm jack output, you can't bypass it with internal 3.5mm though

Further checking, I read the DC offset wrongly, its 190mV not 19mV doh.gif  rclxub.gif  whistling.gif
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No, i means when you do RMAA test, you can bypass the input opamps, maybe it can show the real potential of your LME49720... brows.gif
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Ok.. since i'm new in this thread. Let me ask some stupid questions wink.gif

I'm using macbook and would like you guys to recommend a good external soundcard. Should I go for 2.1/2.0 or 5.1? wink.gif

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