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post Nov 18 2008, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Nov 18 2008, 03:32 PM)
In the same option as Pro Logic where you can choose speaker channel right? But i set to Pro Logic, i set the LFE higher, i can feel the different you know. Very very boomy bass. But at first i can't hear the soundtrack (songs) clearly in Transformer mkv, then i play arround with LFE & Surround and Voice. Then there is a different where i can hear the songs. It has effect and this is the perfect setting for my speaker..
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Our speaker called '2.1' but the .1 are not dedicated to discrete channel, so you boost LFE same as you tune your bass knob, no big deal...

My transformer is AVI format, the sound is AC3, and i'm using K-LiteCodec AC3 filter, in order to tune the LFE, i need to use '.1' speaker config in AC3 filter, 2.0 and prologic II no effect when i adjust LFE...

and one thing, Your X-FI not same as my X-FI, my card even need to switch to 'Entertainment Mode' before the LFE got effect...so i guess our sound card DTS/Dolby decoder kicks in on different setting...

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post Nov 18 2008, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Nov 18 2008, 09:31 PM)
ok. thanks for your help.
But is if normal mp3 songs, you can't modify the settings using k-lite codec configuration right?
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Yap, AC3 will activated only when the codec detects the AC3/DTS signal...otherwise such as MP3 will use ffdshow audio codec...

You can go to AC3filter-->system-->interface option, tick the show tray icon, so that you can know whether AC3 filter is activated or not.
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post Nov 20 2008, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Nov 20 2008, 08:33 AM)
but game mode doesnt have the microphone setting. Urs got? can show me?
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Guy, go click and explore every button in the console, the card won't damaged one...

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post Nov 20 2008, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Dickong @ Nov 20 2008, 10:11 AM)
Hi, wonder is there such thing like rev 2 for xfi xtreme gamer fatality pro card becos mine even downgrade my os to vista 32 bit os still cant get the DD console decoder setting
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i adi give you the link before to show that your card do not support driver level DD decoder no matter you use Vista64bit, 32bit or even XP...look at it again...

The only thing you do is use K-lite Codec to 'passthrough' DD signal via SPDIF as i said before also... smile.gif

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post Nov 20 2008, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(168257061 @ Nov 20 2008, 06:08 PM)
eh , anyone know SB046A OP amp location ?
damn doh.gif
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i think google can help you a lot.... doh.gif don't be lazy ok?

Find the chip near the output bracket, got 3 X 4558 and 1 X 4556...
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post Nov 22 2008, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 22 2008, 06:03 PM)
Hi si-fus,

First! Let me say I've tried google but I can't find any conclusive results sad.gif

Basically I have a pioneer 5.1 hifi that I pair to my xbox360. Recently I picked up an XFi cos it has digital out via co-ax so I can plug it in as well.

But! I guess I didn't do my research beforehand ... even using the digital out, I can only have 2 channels of audio ... after doing some research, my conclusion is that I can only get 5.1 audio when playing DVDs with Dolby sound cos this will passthrough to the receiver, but otherwise the Xfi will not generate (for example in games) more than 2 channel audio through the digital ... is this true?
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Can't find any conclusive results? ohmy.gif

HERE

and yes, you are right, because X-FI only decode DD, can't encode....unless you purchase Dolby Digital Live, USD$4.XX

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post Nov 22 2008, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 22 2008, 06:27 PM)
I think I should have rephrase as, I found conclusive results but I was in denial, hahahaha.

Bah if I had planned in advance I'd have bought a computer 5.1 speaker set and then a sound card with optical in >_< oh well, nvm lar ;[
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If you really want that, buy DDL online, i think <RM20
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post Nov 23 2008, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 23 2008, 02:48 AM)
OK I've done even more research.

I've got the most cheapest X-Fi (Xtreme Audio) which doesn't have DDL, so I'm screwed for 5.1 on anything other than DVD's or AC3-encoded AVI's.

Cheapest X-Fi with DDL seems to be the PCI-e X-Fi titanium ... 380-ish? Hmmmm ... even if I can sell off my Xtreme Audio, that's still a $200 extra investment ... hmmmmm!
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Well, you did a huge mistake for bought the 'X-Fi' XtremeAudio, which is AudigySE repackaged with 'X-Fi' suit....
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post Nov 29 2008, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(swine @ Nov 29 2008, 12:49 PM)
i just bought an OEM xfitality gamer
i download the latest driver from creative website and hoke up the card..
after installation and everything, i open the CONTROL PANEL and CLICK the Audio Console icon...the questions is:
1)why the device name is SB XFI (CC00) and not xfitality gamer?
2)and wat mode shud i put in? entertaining mode or gaming mode while i mostly listening to MUSIC only? Is there any diffrent if i use gaming mode for Music?
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1. all X-FI display these name at there...
2. if you want highest quality music playback, use Audio Creation Mode, at the setting, tick 'enable bit-matched playback'...
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post Nov 29 2008, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(swine @ Nov 29 2008, 03:31 PM)
ty coolkwc
1)mine just got enable bit match recording..no playback..under which menu ar?
2)the creative console on the left side just display THX sign but no Dts or Dolby..a little bit diff from wat i see from a few screenshots in this post? i using creative latest driver ...any extra function for that?
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1. This Attached Image or this Attached Image ....audio creation mode
2.Yap, Creative remove the DTS/DD logo from the console since driver from july 2008, but won't affect the function of the card.

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post Nov 30 2008, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(swine @ Nov 30 2008, 08:35 AM)
is this from creative media source player?
i dun have this creation mode...
i go to creative website and find that that are a few applications, issit creative wave studio?
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Creative Console Launcher la.... doh.gif
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post Nov 30 2008, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Nov 30 2008, 09:45 PM)
coolkwc,
have u tried the beta driver from creative?
bring any difference to u?
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nope, i downloaded adi but never install yet, the latest official is rock solid...

you means what difference?
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post Dec 1 2008, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Dec 1 2008, 11:44 AM)
in terms of performance and the sound.
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Performance, maybe (based on previous driver released)....Sound Quality? I don't think so...unless they 'add colour' through driver... ohmy.gif
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post Dec 1 2008, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 1 2008, 04:49 PM)
quite hard to adjust the right sound...
mess with the EQ and the treble/bass knob and the winamp EQ too..
headache...
possible to just off the winamp EQ?
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What speaker you used? Why you tune EQ? what you not satisfied? smile.gif

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post Dec 6 2008, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Lemmings @ Dec 6 2008, 10:15 AM)
What chip is the Sound Blaster X-Fi Notebook using?
Is it using the EMU20K1 chip?
couldnt find more info on this product.
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no, absolutely not EMU20K1....one of the reason is none of them support EAX5...

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post Dec 8 2008, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Dec 7 2008, 02:20 PM)
hmm....till now i still not sure whether the AC3 is directly from my speaker or soundcard or software based. using Klite pack spdif passthru with AC3 checked. is it soundcard decoding level or software decoding? must use optical cable without spdif passthru?
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in your case, the AC3 is bypass sound card decoder and passthrough SPDIF and decoded by your speaker build in AC3 decoder, neither sound card decoding nor software decoding.
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post Dec 8 2008, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Dec 8 2008, 03:34 AM)
hm...but the AC3filter icon popped out, if i uncheck the AC3 passthru, no sound will come out from my speakers as i am using analogue output.

how to know i am 100% using the soundcard decoder? as i did something in the media player classic options, the ac3filter no longer pops out...but there's still 5.1 sound from movies. i checked "transform AC3/DTS" in Options -> internal filters -> transform filters. so this is hardware decoding? done by soundcard? i think z5500 can't decode analogue signals...can it? i heard only with optical we can have DTS/DD sounds.

anyway, tested DTS music sounds like crap using this setting. AC3 files sounds fine tho. Turned AC3filter back on, it sounds perfect again. LOL...wonder why AC3 ok, DTS sounded like shit. but if using software decoding by AC3filter, both DTS and DD sounds great. hmmmm....any help? me kinda noob. tried google but it is hard to understand.
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First of all, go HERE to check whether your card is equipped with DD/DTS decoder or not...So far only XtremeMusic and X-Fi Fatality can ensure 100% got built-in decoder.

AC3filter is a decoding software, means if you use it to decode ('use SPDIF' is uncheck), the software will decode the DD/DTS stream and send the decoded sound to the separate channel of the sound card, so it won't use the onboard DD/DTS hardware decoder at all.

Hence we need a player that can feed the X-FI with the raw stream for the sound card itself to decode it, i guess you meant this, rite? But so far i can't find any kind of this player that can do this, but we can use some 'trick' in the AC3filter to get the job done.

Open your AC3Filter, tick the 'use SPDIF' option, at the Creative Console Launcher(Entertainment Mode), click on the DD/DTS icon, and select the option as shown.
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One way to confirm the signal is hardware decoded, try change the 'Dynamic Range' option from Full to Night when playback DD/DTS movie, it will give you huge difference. (no effect observed if Software decoding, because 'bypass' this onboard decoder adi).

EDIT: Why it works? Now the DD/DTS playback got 3 part in the chain. (1). DD/DTS raw data Input from DVD/files -> (2). then to the software to extract the raw data from DVD/files -> (3). and finally output from sound card.

AC3Filter is at the intermediate part of the chain and onboard decoder is at (3). In (2) if we let the software to decode, the software will process the raw data and send to the multichannel of the sound card, the sound card only playback the signal they receive, the card won't recognize it is DD/DTS signal at all.

Hence, to bypass the decode action in (2), we use SPDIF passthrough, now the raw data will bypass the AC3Filter decoding chain and send directly to another 'gate' in (3). In (3) if we select 'on(external decoder) option, the raw data will further bypass the onboard decoder and send to the external decoder (your Z-5500) through Optical/coaxial connection; otherwise if we choose 'off(Built-in decoder)', the DD/DTS flag in the raw data will activate the onboard decoder and all the decoding job will done by the sound card itself.

Maybe my explaination not so good, but i hope you understand. tongue.gif

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post Dec 8 2008, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(kerollowyat @ Dec 8 2008, 01:21 PM)
So, if I have an old amplifier that support DTS, it's better to select option to use external decoder, right?
Or, is it still better to have the sound card to decode the sound.
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This is self preference, is up to you...

QUOTE(kerollowyat @ Dec 8 2008, 01:21 PM)
My amplifier support surround sound for the sound output. But, for input the only connection is the red/white cable.
When I select 5.1 config in Entertainment/Game mode, during channel test, only left and right speaker output the sound.
But, when I play game and watch HD movies, I can hear the sound from all speaker, including the rear.
The only problem is, during game, the speech voice is low. I'm thinking the center speaker is not doing its job.
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White/red cable is call RCA jack, it is analogue input...look for your old amp connection panel, search for Coaxial terminal which can receive DD/DTS digital signal from sound card SPDIF output.

Anyway, whats your amp brand and model? hmm.gif

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post Dec 8 2008, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Dec 8 2008, 02:33 PM)
ok let's say, now i have AC3 movie. I wanna use soundcard to decode only. Dont wanna use AC3filter software decode. what settings should I use in both media player classic and the sound card control? ehe...
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open AC3filter, tick the 'use SPDIF', then the sound card setting as shown in the previous picture...
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post Dec 10 2008, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Lemmings @ Dec 10 2008, 06:08 AM)
How bout this product?

http://sg.creative.com/products/product.as...88&listby=usage

It have eax advanced hd.
So, it's not eax 5.0 right?
Is it comparable with the other sound cards?
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EAX advanced hd in betwwen EAX2 and EAX4....no USB sound cards are support EAX5 nowadays.

in term of SQ, it will lose to desktop model...

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