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post Feb 12 2007, 11:35 PM, updated 19y ago

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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6016
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U.S. government approaches $1-billion USD in fines from DRAM companies

In a settlement, Samsung agreed today to pay $90 million USD for participating in illegal DRAM price-fixing practices. Samsung and several other major DRAM companies were all caught up in bitter court ordeals involving business conspiracies that affected the bottom line for several major OEMs and system integrators. Originally Samsung was excluded from the list of manufacturers that faced lawsuits:

    * Elpida Memory (Japan)
    * Hynix Semiconductor (South Korea)
    * Infineon Technologies AG (Germany)
    * Micron Technology (USA)
    * Mosel Vitelic (Taiwan)
    * Nanya Technology Corp. (Taiwan)
    * NEC Electronics America (USA)

Despite being last to be on the list, there seems to be no escape for all the major DRAM companies. For all of 2006, Samsung was under heavy investigation, all while the fines were accumulating. In fact, the U.S. government fined a total of $731 million USD in 2006 for DRAM price-fixing. The price fixing scheme caused major OEMs to pay higher than normal prices for memory and those costs were then passed on to customers. Had all the major DRAM companies actually remained competitive, DRAM prices would have been lower.

Of the $90 million USD that Samsung must pay, $80 million of it will be returned back to those affected by the schemes, while the balance will be distributed among local and state government bodies. For Samsung, the new fine will be something familiar to the company.

In 2005, Samsung was ordered by the U.S. Department of Justice to pay roughly $300 million USD in a separate case.

Most of the above companies have not just faced the U.S. government in court, but also Rambus for patent infringement cases -- not coincidentally Rambus provided much of the key evidence against these DRAM manufacturers in this and other DRAM antitrust cases.

Late last year, Micron had claimed Rambus was not playing fair in the DRAM market and filed a suit against Rambus for abusive business practices. Interestingly, in August of last year, the FTC also claimed that Rambus unfairly monopolized the DRAM market. The FTC decided yesterday to heavily slash the royalties on certain DRAM that Rambus makes its licensees pay


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post Feb 12 2007, 11:59 PM

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Now i get it why does the sudden rise for the price of rams a year ago. sweat.gif
Luckily, i didn't buy any rams at that time.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Feb 12 2007, 11:59 PM)
Now i get it why does the sudden rise for the price of rams a year ago. sweat.gif
Luckily, i didn't buy any rams at that time.. laugh.gif
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Yea, its actually not because the price is dropping but it "should" be at the current price from last year ago blush.gif
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post Feb 13 2007, 12:09 AM

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that time i buy 512 ddr2 at rm150. not even one month later, price raised like current composite index huh laugh.gif
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-Edited as i just realised the link on top-

As from what i know, the current ram price drop actually is a supply and demand problem due to the over optimistic vendors on Vista. Looks like there are other reasons though. hmm.gif

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post Feb 13 2007, 03:35 AM

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Too bad micron doesn't give a damn and would still fix their chip prices damned high
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post Feb 13 2007, 06:05 AM

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i bought my e-devices ddr2 667 rams for rm130 per piece last year. about 2 weeks layer, the price was hiking up to like..rm190~rm200 per piece. sweat.gif

lucky me laugh.gif

edit: forgot to mention it was 512mb ddr2 667. whistling.gif

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post Feb 13 2007, 07:27 AM

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already suspect this long time ago. not only happen once but few times already if not mistaken. imagine 4GB flash drive only cost rm13x but 512MB of RAM cost more than that.... but flash n ram are different things though (i think laugh.gif)
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Meh, expect it to rise up again when PC Fair comes to town
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Feb 13 2007, 10:33 AM)
Meh, expect it to rise up again when PC Fair comes to town
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true..i dunno much about market price for ram..but its usually higher on pc fair..
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post Feb 13 2007, 11:03 AM

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Do you guys still remember there was once last time back in 2001 the RAM price crash and a 256MB sell as low as RM70 back in those days? I remember I grab 2 pieces of 256MB making my Pentium 3 PC 640MB RAM. (Thats a lot in those days where everybody only run 64MB/128MB).

In the end I sold out the second hand RAM in RM100 profit after the RAM price go up like KLCI. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(billytong @ Feb 13 2007, 11:03 AM)
Do you guys still remember there was once last time back in 2001 the RAM price crash and a 256MB sell as low as RM70 back in those days? I remember I grab 2 pieces of 256MB making my Pentium 3 PC 640MB RAM. (Thats a lot in those days where everybody only run 64MB/128MB).

In the end I sold out the second hand RAM in RM100 profit after the RAM price go up like KLCI.  tongue.gif
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haha,perhaps the ram can drop to that price 1day soon
cos now vista need huge ram to run smooth biggrin.gif
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I don't know about that but for now over here, the prices for 1Gb DDR2 533Mhz sticks are about RM320/= which in my opinion is back to old prices. Too bad there ain't any valurams yet using Micron D9's
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ho.... how come.... i don't think we can claim back our money... usd 90 milion, damn super huge amount, that just from samsung... how bout other compony...
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QUOTE(arjuna_mfna @ Feb 13 2007, 12:34 PM)
ho.... how come.... i don't think we can claim back our money... usd 90 milion, damn super huge amount, that just from samsung... how bout other compony...
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good luck tryinh to make a claims since this would require you to submit proof of purchase to the makers since manufaturers (I'd prefer to term as assemeblers) of RAM's sticks aren't involved in this and they charge accordingly due to pricing demands by RAM chip makers.
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well....we wont get our money back anymore,just wait the price to drop again and again lo....but..maybe will rise again?cause demand rise,(windows vista needs ram memory),price will rise too?
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post Feb 13 2007, 02:21 PM

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Don't worry. The ram price will further drop, due to there will be more supply coming out.

Many new 12 inch factories will start production this year. And they will be producing DDR2 and other type of rams, such as ddr3 and graphics ram. Not only that. 12 inch factory will be using newer technology that will be easier and cheaper to produce higher speed ram. Expect by end of the year, DD2-800 will be the standard ram speed.

Right now, ddr2-667 is almost same price as ddr2-533. But few months back, there is a huge price difference.

I read somewhere that Hynix has normal 1GB DDR2 ram chip (16 pieces on a module will be 2GB ram) that can do ddr2-1000 easily. And the rams were running 4 pieces 2GB module for total 8GB at ddr2-1000 speed.

Vista appears to be no help in ram demanding. So good for us.
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Guys, please enlighten me please, really noob in this. Whoever can't understand what i'm saying please don't flame me.

1. The high-performance 1Gb DDR2 677 ram is selling at RM390,
written ram come in pairs, pairs means 2 sticks of 1Gb ram or 2 sticks of 512Mb Ram?

3. 1 stick of 1Gb DDR2 Ram on mobo = 1Gb
2 sticks of 1Gb DDR2 Ram are actually 1Gb or 2GB on board?

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US $90 mln, where will the money go? go US gov pocket? not fair for us costumers around the world.
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from what da computer dealer nearby told me.. some of the suppliers aren't going to release some stocks of RAM and have given the excuse that there's no stock because the price might be shooting up again. huh.gif

anyway, i just looked inside the Memory, Drives, Media bulk and it seems that the price recently dropped 1-2 days ago. so I think better buy now then later. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ariesto @ Feb 13 2007, 03:09 PM)
Guys, please enlighten me please, really noob in this. Whoever can't understand what i'm saying please don't flame me.

1. The high-performance 1Gb DDR2 677 ram is selling at RM390,
  written ram come in pairs, pairs means 2 sticks of 1Gb ram or 2 sticks of 512Mb Ram?

3. 1 stick of 1Gb DDR2 Ram on mobo = 1Gb
    2 sticks of 1Gb DDR2 Ram are actually 1Gb or 2GB on board?
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1. 1GB pair mean have 2 512MB...

2. 1 stick on mobo = 1GB, so, 2 stick 1GB = 2GB lor...

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hey!! Thanks for that article!! I see ram prices always go up years after years everytime when christmas and CNY approach. But was wondering why it didn't happen this 2006/2007. Lo and behold!!! Somebody is doing something about this at last!!!
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But the sad thing is even thought they are fined 90mil but where is the money goes to sad.gif


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I'm surprsied though, if they're getting fined so hard, they can't be dropping price that bad. But its true, OEMs have been stocking up on ram in anticipation of Vista, but now turns out not many people interested in Vista. WinXP doesn't need that much ram-I can run C&C generals, do video editing in sony vegas & Adobe Encore, use Photoshop, surf firefox with 20+tabs ALL AT THE SAME TIME and STILL have 100+mb available with less than 100mb page file usage. Wonder how can I possibly use up 2GB?
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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Feb 14 2007, 07:52 AM)
I'm surprsied though, if they're getting fined so hard, they can't be dropping price that bad. But its true, OEMs have been stocking up on ram in anticipation of Vista, but now turns out not many people interested in Vista. WinXP doesn't need that much ram-I can run C&C generals, do video editing in sony vegas & Adobe Encore, use Photoshop, surf firefox with 20+tabs ALL AT THE SAME TIME and STILL have 100+mb available with less than 100mb page file usage. Wonder how can I possibly use up 2GB?
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You can't run all of those at the same time without bottlenecking your processor, unless you're using a kickass superproc. and have you REALLY used Vista. It uses less ram than touted really.
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Feb 14 2007, 10:07 AM)
You can't run all of those at the same time without bottlenecking your processor, unless you're using a kickass superproc. and have you REALLY used Vista. It uses less ram than touted really.
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Yes. Agreed absolutely. So many people has pre-assumption that VISTA sucks ur RAM and is slow yadda yadda...they're so very WRONG.


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QUOTE(s[H]sIkuA @ Feb 13 2007, 07:33 PM)
But the sad thing is even thought they are fined 90mil but where is the money goes to sad.gif
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The money will go back to CONSUMERS.
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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Feb 14 2007, 07:52 AM)
I'm surprsied though, if they're getting fined so hard, they can't be dropping price that bad. But its true, OEMs have been stocking up on ram in anticipation of Vista, but now turns out not many people interested in Vista. WinXP doesn't need that much ram-I can run C&C generals, do video editing in sony vegas & Adobe Encore, use Photoshop, surf firefox with 20+tabs ALL AT THE SAME TIME and STILL have 100+mb available with less than 100mb page file usage. Wonder how can I possibly use up 2GB?
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Feb 14 2007, 10:07 AM)
You can't run all of those at the same time without bottlenecking your processor, unless you're using a kickass superproc. and have you REALLY used Vista. It uses less ram than touted really.
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Well, to quote myself, I'm only talking about winxp. I have not used Vista. So no comment on that from me. And I was talking about how much ram is needed, not that all of the programs are using the proc at the same time. However, the programs MUST be in memory/pagefile to be open at all, so what I'm saying is that for winXP you don't really need that much ram.

About OEMs, they have been shipping systems with typically 512mb of ram, occationally less blink.gif (which may be a little low for vista, I don't really know). About time they started building systems with more ram (especially considering vista needs a bit more), hence their sudden massive purchase a while back.

Sorry if there was a misunderstanding on what I posted earlier.
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RAM price will go up a bit after cny. So grab ur new stick now b4 holiday. nod.gif
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QUOTE(yehlai @ Feb 15 2007, 10:33 AM)
RAM price will go up a bit after cny. So grab ur new stick now b4 holiday. nod.gif
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Are you sure? If yes i have to buy 2 sticks b4 CNY
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Yup... the word is that those sneaky dram fella's will increase again during Cebit when people are not watching.
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QUOTE(ariesto @ Feb 15 2007, 10:59 AM)
Are you sure? If yes i have to buy 2 sticks b4 CNY
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Feb 15 2007, 11:29 AM)
Yup... the word is that those sneaky dram fella's will increase again during Cebit when people are not watching.
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Hehe..then all of you can come and get from the bulk sections here..looks like all the sub-RM200 ram sellers are posting in this forum..
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QUOTE(almostthere @ Feb 13 2007, 03:35 AM)
Too bad micron doesn't give a damn and would still fix their chip prices damned high
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QUOTE(almostthere @ Feb 13 2007, 12:28 PM)
I don't know about that but for now over here, the prices for 1Gb DDR2 533Mhz sticks are about RM320/= which in my opinion is back to old prices. Too bad there ain't any valurams yet using Micron D9's
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haha u alrdy missed my sales on Micron D9s laugh.gif

QUOTE(etsuko @ Feb 13 2007, 05:29 PM)
from what da computer dealer nearby told me.. some of the suppliers aren't going to release some stocks of RAM and have given the excuse that there's no stock because the price might be shooting up again. huh.gif

anyway, i just looked inside the Memory, Drives, Media bulk and it seems that the price recently dropped 1-2 days ago. so I think better buy now then later. tongue.gif
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Yea, i heard exactly the same thing too. Now RAMs price is low becoz supplier have eccessive stock which left over from Dec 06 (becoz xmas and new year sales demad is lower than they expected) So for now supply>demand = price drop.

Aft CNY RAM price will increase. Becoz during CNY, China chipset factories will close for 3 weeks. Not producing any chips so no more RAMs production and causing shortage of supply. So RAMs price will increase aft CNY (and it happen almost every year).

Thts wht i heard. Dont flame me if RAMs price still dropping after CNY. biggrin.gif

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vmad.gif wahhhh the price before this inccident was so cheap ARGHHHHH doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif i bought my ram ddr2 667 one 1gb 380 / piece
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hope will drop the price soon want to upgrade it
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QUOTE(froz3nnoob @ Feb 15 2007, 12:19 PM)
vmad.gif wahhhh the price before this inccident was so cheap ARGHHHHH doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  i bought my ram ddr2 667 one 1gb 380 / piece
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that time when you bought the price was like 40% more expensive than 2 months ago doh.gif
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QUOTE(yehlai @ Feb 15 2007, 12:13 PM)
haha u alrdy missed my sales on Micron D9s  laugh.gif
Yea, i heard exactly the same thing too. Now RAMs price is low becoz supplier have eccessive stock which left over from Dec 06 (becoz xmas and new year sales demad is lower than they expected) So for now supply>demand = price drop.

Aft CNY RAM price will increase. Becoz during CNY, China chipset factories will close for 3 weeks. Not producing any chips so no more RAMs production and causing shortage of supply. So RAMs price will increase aft CNY (and it happen almost every year).

Thts wht i heard. Dont flame me if RAMs price still dropping after CNY.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(stone13 @ Feb 15 2007, 03:50 PM)
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Wat kok you tok? Ram price already bottomed up di.

by the way.... the article mentioned in this thread is totally historical and has nothing to do with the recent fluctuations.
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Electronic stuff especially computer component will increase da price after CNY
due to China market
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QUOTE(ariesto @ Feb 14 2007, 10:57 AM)
The money will go back to CONSUMERS.
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Oh yea, how? All i see is the money going to the government and in this case, US gov =.=

About the price dropping, i think is one of the reason, not the main reason IMHO cause as someone already mention, supply-demand wink.gif and another reason partly because of Vista
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Damn, will try to grab RAM first during the holiday then, better don't bet on the price rise or drop after the CNY.
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Is this price drop for all ram including kingston hyperX ?
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maybe dell will drop their price coz dell using hynix ram....
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QUOTE(sasaug @ Feb 16 2007, 01:24 PM)
maybe dell will drop their price coz dell using hynix ram....
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or maybe they will offer free ram upgrade like they always do... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ariesto @ Feb 14 2007, 10:57 AM)
The money will go back to CONSUMERS.
Goes to lawyers/judges/state goverments with what little leftover to fund things that may or may not benefit public(US only).

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QUOTE(SpeedAlert @ Feb 16 2007, 11:07 AM)
Is this price drop for all ram including kingston hyperX ?
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Probably not much drop yet, usually performance ram will only drop price after budget/value ram has stabilised after a price drop.

QUOTE(sasaug @ Feb 16 2007, 01:24 PM)
maybe dell will drop their price coz dell using hynix ram....
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Yeah, but probably have to wait a few months before it actually happens.
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heh still remember the time where ddr400 rised sky high.
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yet another reason besides the demand of RAM due to Vista which I thought the only one ..
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QUOTE(heretic6 @ Feb 20 2007, 07:29 PM)
heh still remember the time where ddr400 rised sky high.
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Yeah I was pretty shocked that the price was going UP instead of down when I went to get my second piece of Corsair VS DDR400.

edit: That was about a year or more back, can't remember too clearly.

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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Feb 20 2007, 09:56 PM)
Yeah I was pretty shocked that the price was going UP instead of down when I went to get my second piece of Corsair VS DDR400.
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I think that has more to do with supply/demand rather than the price correctin due to the lawsuit. Now ppl moving to ddr667 and above oredi, cos very few new boards use ddr400..
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alot of commercial pentium4 boards still use ddr400... last year the price rocketed up to 180 for a 512mb stick?
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IMO, the low demand of Vista is because of the high price of RAM. To run Vista smoothly u need 1GB RAM. Unless the 1GB RAM price drop to Rm60-70 per module. Nobody will want to move to Vista.

On the other hand, Vista can drive high capacity RAM module like 1GB down to mainstream. This will increase the manufacturer production capacity, thus reducing the cost overall.


So it is a chicken and egg here.

I am waiting for 1GB module to get below RM80. I thinking to get 6 pieces of 1GB RAM for my 2 Pentium D machines.

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so is the current price reflects the true price???
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Im praying the price will stay low until at least early march. BY then i already have money to upgrade to 2GB-4GB tongue.gif but that only IF the shop wanna sell the ram. Probably they keep their stock until it rocket up back right? sad.gif
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QUOTE(billytong @ Feb 21 2007, 10:40 AM)
IMO, the low demand of Vista is because of the high price of RAM. To run Vista smoothly u need 1GB RAM. Unless the 1GB RAM price drop to Rm60-70 per module. Nobody will want to move to Vista.
i disagree.

i would say low demand of Vista is due to many factors
1. it's more than just RAM, it's entire system altogether
2. people are using Windows XP fine, why should they incur additional cost to upgrade in the first place?
3. and upgrading to something that's new (usually buggy, you know Microsoft) with possible compatibility issues and also runs much slower than the previous Windows.
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nah even with the high ram capasity, you wont be able to run vista smoothly w/o a good processor and gc..all the more reasons to stay with xp =/
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I see many ppl are waiting to switch over to this vista but compatibility and the price (600+ for vista ultimate) still make ppl doubting for awhile ..

I'll say vista will take over XP in over a year (as every m$ product did previously) and probably faster as more Dx10 cards rolls out sweat.gif


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I think DDR3 is coming out soon. Then, DDR2's price will drop tremendously rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 21 2007, 05:14 PM)
i disagree.

i would say low demand of Vista is due to many factors
1. it's more than just RAM, it's entire system altogether
2. people are using Windows XP fine, why should they incur additional cost to upgrade in the first place?
3. and upgrading to something that's new (usually buggy, you know Microsoft) with possible compatibility issues and also runs much slower than the previous Windows.
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hmm...how to say...usually i already using vista home premium edi.....i found that:
1. interface eat alot resource....we DON NEED them
2. 1 gig RAM still can't run smooth
3. New feature of vista can't drag the money from ur pocket
4 shutdown & start up take alot of time...sighz.... doh.gif
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last month i quoted a price for my fren's PC. 1GB was around RM380, and its a Kingston DDR667.

last week i quoted a price for myself at lowyat.1GB was around RM220 and its a Kingston DDR667.

lol.
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Yalor...512MB DDr667 only RM115, 1GB around RM220...I wonder will it drop somemore... drool.gif
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QUOTE(Kataro @ Feb 22 2007, 08:46 AM)
Yalor...512MB DDr667 only RM115, 1GB around RM220...I wonder will it drop somemore... drool.gif
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don think so la...

that's the bottom line for this moment....

until the next big tech coming in....it should hovers around there..
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I think they're fixing price for good, in order to get rid the RAMBUS out of market in 2001.
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QUOTE(the_registered @ Feb 22 2007, 03:35 AM)
I think DDR3 is coming out soon. Then, DDR2's price will drop tremendously  rclxm9.gif
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DDR3 production samples are out, but I think it will be a even longer time for it to catch on compared with DDR2 from DDR. Even the best of current DDR2 cannot be used up to its fullest potential, especially with intel systems. Problem-limited by FSB; even C2D which using 1066FSB only translates to dual channel DDR533, more and the FSB will not allow it to be any faster. Even if overclock super gila kau kau to 2000FSB (board want to mati liau by then-must voltmod even to be stable cry.gif ) its only dual channel DDR1000 (easily obtainable even with affordable OCing ram-below RM400-450/pair of 512=1GB). AMD systems can fully utilise memory at any speed thanks to integrated memory controller but have issues with overclocking beyond DDR800, have to drop to 2T (akibatnya kena OC lagi banyak cos performance loss mad.gif )

And yet people wonder why so little performance increase when upgrade to faster ram..haii... rclxub.gif

Correction : 1066FSB is only DDR533, DDR667 is for 1333FSB

QUOTE(Kataro @ Feb 22 2007, 08:46 AM)
Yalor...512MB DDr667 only RM115, 1GB around RM220...I wonder will it drop somemore... drool.gif
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Its gone up already in fact. 1GB now closer to RM250 than RM220. Not sure about 512MB, but I doubt it has gone down .

Hint: Don't come to Penang to buy ram. As of this week, still at old prices 512MB-RM150-180, 1GB-RM300++ for 667, DDR800 use your imagination. If in penang, want 512mb can get from me..hehe..if KL go lowyat..


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hmm...how to say...usually i already using vista home premium edi.....i found that:
1. interface eat alot resource....we DON NEED them
2. 1 gig RAM still can't run smooth
3. New feature of vista can't drag the money from ur pocket
4 shutdown & start up take alot of time...sighz.... doh.gif
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Think its mostly software. Need lotsa tweaking. Heard there's a lot of problems with drivers for vista, especially for 64-bit edition (http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00001.htm).

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OMG, I bought Patriot RAM for rm330 per 1 GB. I lose almost rm100 per stick. losing rm200 per 2 gb... I want my money back!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Feb 22 2007, 11:51 PM)
DDR3 production samples are out, but I think it will be a even longer time for it to catch on compared with DDR2 from DDR. Even the best of current DDR2 cannot be used up to its fullest potential, especially with intel systems. Problem-limited by FSB; even C2D which using 1066FSB only translates to dual channel DDR667, more and the FSB will not allow it to be any faster. Even if overclock super gila kau kau to 2000FSB (board want to mati liau by then-must voltmod even to be stable  cry.gif ) its only dual channel DDR1000 (easily obtainable even with affordable OCing ram-below RM400-450/pair of 512=1GB). AMD systems can fully utilise memory at any speed thanks to integrated memory controller but have issues with overclocking beyond DDR800, have to drop to 2T (akibatnya kena OC lagi banyak cos performance loss mad.gif )

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Yes. For current mobo, maximum RAM multiplier is 3x only.
So for normal overclockers, 1.1k MHz is the highest they able to achieve laugh.gif
For DDR3 mobo, i think the RAM multiplier will increase to 4-5x maybe. nod.gif

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Yes. For current mobo, maximum RAM multiplier is 3x only.
So for normal overclockers, 1.1k MHz is the highest they able to achieve laugh.gif
For DDR3 mobo, i think the RAM multiplier will increase to 4-5x maybe. nod.gif
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Multiplier? I presume you're refering to intel systems, I haven't messed around much with 775 based systems. From my previous experience on 478 systems, running the ram any faster than 1:1 with the FSB actually results in a performance DROP in a fair number of cases (assuming running dual channel), because the memory controller has to switch to a async bus (which adds latency).

Simple mathematics to show why running ram faster than 1:1
FSB transfers per second = base clock x 4 (due to quad pumping)
Ram transfers per second = base clock (if 1:1) x 2 (DDR factor) x 2 (dual channel)

Both transfer 64 bits per transfer, so in the end if you run the ram faster than 1:1 data will be stuck as it can't be relayed. Also, HDD and PCI data has also got to be relayed through the FSB, so actually its impossible for ram to fully utilise the FSB for itself. Unless you're overclocking, you won't need really fast ram.

So I'm guessing DDR3 is going to take quite a while to kick off. Probably only when socket AM3 is out, which is in a few years time. Even intel is considering delaying the launch of DDR3 chipsets. Need to come up with another data bus to properly utilise DDR3's capability, which means even the processor architecture must be revamped; even C2D's Core micro-architecture might not be adequate.

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QUOTE(MeowzNation @ Feb 22 2007, 03:40 AM)
hmm...how to say...usually i already using vista home premium edi.....i found that:
1. interface eat alot resource....we DON NEED them
2. 1 gig RAM still can't run smooth
3. New feature of vista can't drag the money from ur pocket
4 shutdown & start up take alot of time...sighz.... doh.gif
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ehh you quoted my post, but perhaps you quoted for the wrong reasons - i donno.

my point was that uptake of Vista being slow was not based on RAM pricing alone. smile.gif

it's about the entire system together. (Vista Experience Points or something)
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2day i just check the czone pricelist...oh lawd 260 for 1GB ddr ram drool.gif i definitely gonna get 2 sticks next week s long s the price remains the same rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 21 2007, 05:14 PM)
i disagree.

i would say low demand of Vista is due to many factors
1. it's more than just RAM, it's entire system altogether
2. people are using Windows XP fine, why should they incur additional cost to upgrade in the first place?
3. and upgrading to something that's new (usually buggy, you know Microsoft) with possible compatibility issues and also runs much slower than the previous Windows.
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In my opinion the RAM and the bugs is keeping me away from the system. I usually upgrade Microsoft OS 2 yrs after its launch. After all Surfing net,listening Mp3 watching anime using Pentium D is a bit "overpowered" why not getting a better OS?

I'm thinking to try out on my notebook which got 1GB RAM with only 32bit Centrino and see how slow is it b4 I deploy the system on my slow 512MB Pentium D. Win Server 2003 is giving me a lot of unsupported driver issue. My scanner is not working on this OS. You will be surprise that even Intel gfx GMA950 graphics driver do not support win 2003. mad.gif

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QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Feb 23 2007, 09:23 AM)
2day i just check the czone pricelist...oh lawd 260 for 1GB ddr ram drool.gif i definitely gonna get 2 sticks next week s long s the price remains the same rclxm9.gif
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Get it b4 tuesday or wednesdays, those r the days the price will change, either up or down.
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QUOTE(billytong @ Feb 23 2007, 09:39 AM)
In my opinion the RAM and the bugs is keeping me away from the system. I usually upgrade Microsoft OS 2 yrs after its launch. After all Surfing net,listening Mp3 watching anime using Pentium D is a bit "overpowered" why not getting a better OS?


same here. to me, it's not just RAM but other parts as well. smile.gif
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QUOTE(jy14 @ Feb 23 2007, 10:24 AM)
Get it b4 tuesday or wednesdays, those r the days the price will change, either up or down.
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The RAM price is like 'barang kawalan' nowdays....


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I went to LY this morning, wanted to upgrade my RAM. Most of 'famous' shop already out of stock (including Czone) sweat.gif sweat.gif Xtually, yesterday i checked CZone pricelist and they sell 1GB DDR2 KVR 667mhz PC5300 for RM220. So really xcited to get it today. But today the price oledi increased, become RM230 and out of stock furthermore. And their shop so crowded.

Then, i went straight to Viewnet, so relieved not so many people there. And U know what, they have the RAM at the cheapest price among other shops today (after checked other shops leaflet).

So, i grabbed 2 X 1GB kingston DDR2 667Mhz RAM at RM438 (RM219/piece). Just installed it, now operate with 3GB RAM (plus the old 2 X 512MB DDR2 667Mhz RAM) rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

And the salesperson said, the price will go up again in the next few days.

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When is the DDR1 price gonna drop blush.gif
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QUOTE(Notoriez @ Feb 25 2007, 12:09 AM)
When is the DDR1 price gonna drop blush.gif
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I think the price dropped last few weeks, to around 240 (the lowest I've seen in awhile now) and now price go up again. I bought 1GB stick for my friend for 285 at All IT (Digital mall) before CNY sweat.gif kinda rush and no time to go Lowyat to get better offer


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i work in low yat and i find that the ram prices r dropping everyweek ...

the long awaited ddr3 should be out soon i guess ...

hooray!!! for all us ddr2 users ... lol ... biggrin.gif
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in feb before CNY, I bought 512 MB at rm130 (after nego) doh.gif
now rm130 can get 1 GB

pity those ppl who bought 1 GB at rm 450++ last yr sweat.gif
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i bought my ram last time at 210 for only 512mb liao
damd expensive that time cry.gif
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QUOTE(emilz @ May 22 2007, 01:28 PM)
i bought my ram last time at 210 for only 512mb liao
damd expensive that time cry.gif
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That's nothing compared to my 1Gb x2 for rm 860! sweat.gif Luckily after I bought them, the prices jump up to rm 1360!!!
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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 22 2007, 01:53 PM)
That's nothing compared to my 1Gb x2 for rm 860!  sweat.gif Luckily after I bought them, the prices jump up to rm 1360!!!
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QUOTE(emilz @ May 22 2007, 02:07 PM)
then what u do u sell ur ram arr  laugh.gif
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Hmmmm....I never thought of that!!!! At that time, I was not yet active in LYN. If I were, I would had definitely sold it off for a profit!!!! Haiyaa..... cry.gif cry.gif
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Luckily i sell my ram before when the price was high.. laugh.gif
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Lol this thread still alive biggrin.gif

Now DDR2 price really gone crazy
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just got 2 pieces of 512MB DDR2 667MHz Kingston Value RAM for notebooks at RM 79 a piece ...

wow ... the prices r really rocketting down ... thumbup.gif

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Lucky me I'm only upgrading to 2GB DDR2 now... brows.gif
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price is rising a bit now...buy fast..haha how come ddr1 dont go really cheep

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DDR1 is like SDRAM now. Low production, high market demand thus higher selling price. DDR2 price will be going up after June.
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if my predictions are rite... I'll get my pair of Corsair XMS2 1GBx2 DDR800 this coming PCfair... 3-5 august... brows.gif
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hopefully got 4gb ddr2 that would be GREAT
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QUOTE(porkchop @ Jun 5 2007, 06:48 PM)
hopefully got 4gb ddr2 that would be GREAT
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What the hell do you do until you need 4GB? Play 5 games at the same time?
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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Jun 5 2007, 01:52 PM)
if my predictions are rite... I'll get my pair of Corsair XMS2 1GBx2 DDR800 this coming PCfair... 3-5 august... brows.gif
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Crosair XMS2 1GBx2 DDR2 800 ewww.... Not recommended for overclocking... there's still many brands better than XMS2...
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DDR3 should b debuting soon, look out for some news around the web. Towards July, stocks will start to flood into the market and by end of this year, DDR2 prices might get peg to a fixed price, just like DDR now.

So, those planning for P35 or X38, get ready to splash again. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jun 5 2007, 10:57 PM)
Crosair XMS2 1GBx2 DDR2 800 ewww.... Not recommended for overclocking... there's still many brands better than XMS2...
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Brand is not so important-what's important is the memory chip its using. Even cheap kingston valueram will clock like crazy if its got a good chip like Micron D9GMH or D9GKX, possibly outspeed even performance ram which may use slower chips.

QUOTE(jy14 @ Jun 6 2007, 12:58 AM)
DDR3 should b debuting soon, look out for some news around the web. Towards July, stocks will start to flood into the market and by end of this year, DDR2 prices might get peg to a fixed price, just like DDR now.

So, those planning for P35 or X38, get ready to splash again.  shakehead.gif
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DDR3 is officially out, all the ram makers have already started shipping retail products.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/05/21/int...b1333_and_ddr3/
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32157/135/
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32315/135/
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32339/135/

To bad its like DDR2 all over again-DDR3 is vastly more expensive than DDR2, and due to the loosened timings performance can barely reach the equivalent of DDR2-667.
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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Jun 6 2007, 07:33 AM)
Brand is not so important-what's important is the memory chip its using. Even cheap kingston valueram will clock like crazy if its got a good chip like Micron D9GMH or D9GKX, possibly outspeed even performance ram which may use slower chips.
DDR3 is officially out, all the ram makers have already started shipping retail products.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/05/21/int...b1333_and_ddr3/
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32157/135/
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32315/135/
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32339/135/

To bad its like DDR2 all over again-DDR3 is vastly more expensive than DDR2, and due to the loosened timings performance can barely reach the equivalent of DDR2-667.
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Very hard hunt good chipset, not all XM2 D9GMH or D9GKX... Their heantsink is sealed cant see wut chipset inside... i not wan bashed Crossair, but i already had a bad exprience with XMS2 b4...

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 6 2007, 06:52 AM)
Update: ram prices going up now
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Yeah, due to sudden demand caused by the recent drop. Don't expect it to go up for long though, as ram manufacturers are switching back to producing dram. Previously almost all the ram manufacturers had been producing NAND flash and other related stuff due to the realtively high profits in those sectors-hence why flash memory is now cheaper than ever. Expect flash memory prices to keep dropping, but definitely slower, and may even go up for the short term.

QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jun 6 2007, 08:08 AM)
Very hard hunt good chipset,  not all XM2 D9GMH or D9GKX... Their heantsink is sealed cant see wut chipset inside...  i not wan bashed Crossair, but i already had a bad exprience with XMS2 b4...
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There are ways to check what chipset XMS2 uses (different for each revision though), for that matter its quite easy to look up chipset for most of the high performance ram. Other than micron D9GMH and D9GKX, AFAIK there are very few other chipsets that can match their overclocking performance. But if DDR2-1000 is good enough for you, then finding a chipset should not be that difficult. Higher than that is when things get difficult.
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QUOTE(porkchop @ Jun 5 2007, 07:48 PM)
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dude... only 2 GB per stick available in m'sia...

QUOTE(zeustronic @ Jun 5 2007, 11:57 PM)
Crosair XMS2 1GBx2 DDR2 800 ewww.... Not recommended for overclocking... there's still many brands better than XMS2...
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so wat other brand u recommend...? hmm.gif i haven't decided yet... but other brands not easily available in PC fair... have to either go Lowyat or bulk order... sad.gif

QUOTE(jy14 @ Jun 6 2007, 01:58 AM)
DDR3 should b debuting soon, look out for some news around the web. Towards July, stocks will start to flood into the market and by end of this year, DDR2 prices might get peg to a fixed price, just like DDR now.
So, those planning for P35 or X38, get ready to splash again.  shakehead.gif
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DDR price not really fix now... going up actually...


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Crucial Ballistix is recommended for overclocking - uses D9GMH chips. Better get now before price goes up again. DDR3 expected to be expensive when they debut. Not worth getting it early IMHO although reviews with P35 boards show that they perform better than DDR2 low latency chips in higher frequencies, ie 1066 and higher even with higher latencies

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post Jun 7 2007, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(aloy237 @ Jun 7 2007, 03:56 AM)
Crucial Ballistix is recommended for overclocking - uses D9GMH chips.  Better get now before price goes up again.  DDR3 expected to be expensive when they debut.  Not worth getting it early IMHO although reviews with P35 boards show that they perform better than DDR2 low latency chips in higher frequencies, ie 1066 and higher even with higher latencies
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In the beginning it'll outperform most DDR2 when the frequencies goes up higher, its very natural. Later when the market starts to shift to DDR3, then thats when the latencies will start to get tighter.

By the way, fyi, RAM prices just increase by RM 10-15 this week. Even for Kingstons, price r hiking too.
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post Jun 7 2007, 05:18 PM

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wander if the 2gb per stick ddr2 would be short life as the old ddr400 1gb stick............
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post Jun 7 2007, 08:05 PM

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Prices should start going up now. Ram manufacturers are already taking steps to make sure that happens
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post Jun 18 2007, 04:06 PM

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I feel like been cheated by that time. Soon after Vista lunch the price goes down like hell. Now it is very cheap coz over supply.shakehead.gif

 

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