Proton Suprima can mod ?
Turbo 1.6
Plz advice me
I was thinking of getting a used Proton Suprima, For modding
I was thinking of getting a used Proton Suprima, For modding
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Nov 29 2016, 12:39 AM, updated 10y ago
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Proton Suprima can mod ?
Turbo 1.6 Plz advice me |
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Nov 29 2016, 12:57 AM
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Nov 29 2016, 01:17 AM
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all cars also can mod... its a question of how far you want to go, how much money you want to throw and what are your expectations.... simple.
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Nov 29 2016, 09:08 AM
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I'm sorry, but i see only idiotic replies here. Go and test drive the Suprima S first. Proton makes a good handling car with one of the best in safety features. And the space inside you can say equivalent to any C-segment car. With price in B-segment. Anyway, go and test drive first. I am a Preve owner so my answer might be biased.
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 14 2018, 02:14 PM) I'm sorry, but i see only idiotic replies here. Go and test drive the Suprima S first. Proton makes a good handling car with one of the best in safety features. And the space inside you can say equivalent to any C-segment car. With price in B-segment. Anyway, go and test drive first. I am a Preve owner so my answer might be biased. with the prices of B-segment cause of ?good handling car with one of the best safety features, proven by who, race, event or personal talk ? |
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 14 2018, 02:14 PM) I'm sorry, but i see only idiotic replies here. Go and test drive the Suprima S first. Proton makes a good handling car with one of the best in safety features. And the space inside you can say equivalent to any C-segment car. With price in B-segment. Anyway, go and test drive first. I am a Preve owner so my answer might be biased. No offence bro but honestly preve is like one of the worst car I have ever driven or sat on... not sure how much the SS had improved over the preve but I doubt there'll be any difference... the nvh is basically non existence in the preve and engine noise is like the Airbus 320 taking off from the runway... and the CVT jerk omg... My uncle has so much rattling noise in his preve too and cannot be resolved... FC is as high as a 2.4L Japanese sedan too... No doubt it has ANCAP 5 stars rating with very high steel strength but in a major crash the occupants will still die inside although the structure is still intact... This post has been edited by jacobngen87: Jan 14 2018, 05:15 PM |
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QUOTE(MrBombastik @ Jan 14 2018, 03:55 PM) Had a chance to drive a golf tsi mk6 (supercharged and turbo) and suprima. Hahhahahahabaha i drove cause i know type of theory (impress), second safety features base on pic on forum n he said she said anothet brilliant idea, last also base on how hard Suprima handle and feel solid than golf. Handle better than civic FC. But still can't beat class leading Ford Focus. And that twice ss price though. And no one can't deny suprima safety. It's proven. Just see his brother, preve, alot of accident, and the car is so tough that people start to label them as a moving tank. Victims walk away like nothing happens. Can see at kopitiam section and search for Proton accident compilation. And also the MPA steel grade use to build the car is amazingly high. I'm not proton fanboys or haters. But I give credit where it's belong to... the car build, this comment totally sell u off, hard not equal to safety ...... But a pure kampung thinking, which i think 30-40 year old saab or volvo will suit u a lot better ..... Imagine that 45kg solid steel inside volvo 740 front bumper ..... Btw i just bicycle rider with chromoly frame .... |
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QUOTE(DespairWorld @ Nov 29 2016, 12:39 AM) Wei bro.Come buy my Suprima S lah. I just sign 330e M-Sport, so now letting go my Suprima. Currently dyno-wise, my Suprima is the highest performance recorded on paper. HP 150ish after all modded, excluding Racecip yet. If serious come PM me. I let go only based on bank balance. |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 14 2018, 03:14 PM) with the prices of B-segment cause of ? Let me ask you back:good handling car with one of the best safety features, proven by who, race, event or personal talk ? Whats the price range of B- Segment? Explain to me what ANCAP stands for? Fine, do you know the R3 Endurance Race? If you decided to answer my question, then you have answered your question boy. |
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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Jan 14 2018, 05:15 PM) No offence bro but honestly preve is like one of the worst car I have ever driven or sat on... not sure how much the SS had improved over the preve but I doubt there'll be any difference... the nvh is basically non existence in the preve and engine noise is like the Airbus 320 taking off from the runway... and the CVT jerk omg... Well, thats you. I also like to think whatever car you drives are shitty but I feel that I dont care. Yes, your uncle has this and that, I understand. Hey, I didnt say occupant wont die inside their car but with better safety equipment, probably the chances to live is better.My uncle has so much rattling noise in his preve too and cannot be resolved... FC is as high as a 2.4L Japanese sedan too... No doubt it has ANCAP 5 stars rating with very high steel strength but in a major crash the occupants will still die inside although the structure is still intact... |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 14 2018, 05:26 PM) Hahhahahahabaha i drove cause i know type of theory (impress), second safety features base on pic on forum n he said she said anothet brilliant idea, last also base on how hard Kampung thinking? This is why we never debate about car with the Bukit type.the car build, this comment totally sell u off, hard not equal to safety ...... But a pure kampung thinking, which i think 30-40 year old saab or volvo will suit u a lot better ..... Imagine that 45kg solid steel inside volvo 740 front bumper ..... Btw i just bicycle rider with chromoly frame .... |
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 14 2018, 07:58 PM) Let me ask you back: nothing against the suprima really, its a great handling car, undeniable! featurewise? loaded! agreed.Whats the price range of B- Segment? Explain to me what ANCAP stands for? Fine, do you know the R3 Endurance Race? If you decided to answer my question, then you have answered your question boy. BUT i do have something against taking the race car into account. its not the same thing. NEVER should anyone take a race car into account unless the race car is pretty much a stock setup + maybe some race specific safety equipment. a 190hp na campro is not a stock car nor does it use the cvt in a race. |
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 14 2018, 07:58 PM) Let me ask you back: suprima r3 endurance use NA campro iafm (heavily moded) + 5 speed manual. not cfe with cvt. no doubt suprima got class leading handling (for its price)..but talk about modding, must consider engine potential and reliability too.Whats the price range of B- Segment? Explain to me what ANCAP stands for? Fine, do you know the R3 Endurance Race? If you decided to answer my question, then you have answered your question boy. |
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Jan 15 2018, 12:27 PM
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🧐I honestly think credit should be given to what it is worth. Is it problematic, yes. Is it cheap, yes. Why is it cheap? Why is the civic/ altis/ golf expensive?
Anyway if we can only afford preve, don’t try to drive like civic/ golf. In the end, better get myvi and use for 10 years while save up for something better. Cheap stuff comes at a cost. |
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jan 15 2018, 10:09 AM) nothing against the suprima really, its a great handling car, undeniable! featurewise? loaded! agreed. You must remember, there are other brand cars in the race as well and they were extensively modified for the race except for the engine, just like the Protons.BUT i do have something against taking the race car into account. its not the same thing. NEVER should anyone take a race car into account unless the race car is pretty much a stock setup + maybe some race specific safety equipment. a 190hp na campro is not a stock car nor does it use the cvt in a race. |
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Jan 15 2018, 11:59 AM) suprima r3 endurance use NA campro iafm (heavily moded) + 5 speed manual. not cfe with cvt. no doubt suprima got class leading handling (for its price)..but talk about modding, must consider engine potential and reliability too. The same stock engine as normal Protons of the same models. Can you not say that all the other brand cars also not do the same? |
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QUOTE(alvinrenren @ Jan 15 2018, 12:27 PM) 🧐I honestly think credit should be given to what it is worth. Is it problematic, yes. Is it cheap, yes. Why is it cheap? Why is the civic/ altis/ golf expensive? Can you not deny brand (as in brand snobbery) also contribute to the expensiveness of an item? Anyway if we can only afford preve, don’t try to drive like civic/ golf. In the end, better get myvi and use for 10 years while save up for something better. Cheap stuff comes at a cost. Car is meant to be driven and so far I have never heard that a driving class have to be conducted just for certain type of cars. However, any kind of car, if driven at their maximum endurance frequently will eventually produce a hefty tear and wear bill. |
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Jan 15 2018, 01:40 PM
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take NA engine's cars like inspira..better reliability in long run. seriously unless money is falling from sky to u then go ahead
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 15 2018, 01:26 PM) You must remember, there are other brand cars in the race as well and they were extensively modified for the race except for the engine, just like the Protons. not what im trying to say..... just saying, dont ever bring a race car into the comparison..... is not logical. race cars just need to run for that race not run for years..also dont really want to bring this up, but 1)let me ask you, in that race, which other team had manufacturer's financial backings? 2)as far as the stock suprima goes, do you know what they do when they want big reliable power from the suprima? im asking you how much power have you actually seen being put through the suprima reliably, on the STOCK block AND how much power that cvt can take? anyway, lets keep an open mind~ This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jan 15 2018, 01:56 PM |
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jan 15 2018, 01:55 PM) not what im trying to say..... just saying, dont ever bring a race car into the comparison..... is not logical. race cars just need to run for that race not run for years.. So, because Proton cars won the race, we cant take it into account for car performance comparison? Banyak cantik.also dont really want to bring this up, but 1)let me ask you, in that race, which other team had manufacturer's financial backings? 2)as far as the stock suprima goes, do you know what they do when they want big reliable power from the suprima? im asking you how much power have you actually seen being put through the suprima reliably, on the STOCK block AND how much power that cvt can take? anyway, lets keep an open mind~ 1. I dont know. Do you? 2. The cars in the race also came from stock model as were the Protons. And they were also heavily modified except the engine as the Proton. And thats the fair playing level. Did the race said that only Proton cars permitted heavy modification and other cars not? |
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 15 2018, 02:15 PM) So, because Proton cars won the race, we cant take it into account for car performance comparison? Banyak cantik. I think you misunderstood the situation.1. I dont know. Do you? 2. The cars in the race also came from stock model as were the Protons. And they were also heavily modified except the engine as the Proton. And thats the fair playing level. Did the race said that only Proton cars permitted heavy modification and other cars not? 1. If don’t know, then find out. 2. The issue is not that proton won with the heavy modified car. But, comparing the race with your daily car is apples to oranges. Others that participate lose also with modified car with non stock parts. Does not mean vw, or Toyota , or Honda, or even if Benz join and lose means proton is the better daily driven car 😂. Anyway, also, proton is the only manufacturer that join as manufacturer. Means they are the only team with the full company backing. Other teams are only modification shops that did not come from manufacturer. |
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 15 2018, 02:15 PM) So, because Proton cars won the race, we cant take it into account for car performance comparison? Banyak cantik. nono not what im saying... in just trying to tell you, simply, take race cars out of the picture. Thats it, i did not bring any other make into the picture. im saying we should NEVER (regardless of makes and models) ever bring race cars into the picture. Unless its basically a completely stock car.1. I dont know. Do you? 2. The cars in the race also came from stock model as were the Protons. And they were also heavily modified except the engine as the Proton. And thats the fair playing level. Did the race said that only Proton cars permitted heavy modification and other cars not? 1)iirc in 2017 only one other team, honda... and honda didnt really have much going for them under 2000cc (at leat i believe that was actually honda, otherwise... only proton had the manufacturer's backing) 2)no2 is really a question for the tuner houses or workshops(modders) in malaysia.... not about racing.... if you look around hard enough (just talking SPECIFICALLY about the engine) most neos, suprimas and preves dump the stock engine and just go straight for the latter gen 4g93 or 4g63(illegally) if they want in excess of 275hp. The stock block has quite a few limiting factors. the valves are thin, and lets just be honest, it wasn't meant to push that kind of power. anyway for ts, the suprima is a good car, and if you want to bump its power up slightly its all good. If you want to bump it up alot, no. Its just too costly This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jan 15 2018, 02:33 PM |
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 15 2018, 01:28 PM) The same stock engine as normal Protons of the same models. Can you not say that all the other brand cars also not do the same? i was refering to ts question..which is he intend to mod a suprima. cvt in suprima has a torque limitation. the one use in those race is manual gearbox. |
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QUOTE(alvinrenren @ Jan 15 2018, 02:28 PM) I think you misunderstood the situation. 1. Find it out yourself. 1. If don’t know, then find out. 2. The issue is not that proton won with the heavy modified car. But, comparing the race with your daily car is apples to oranges. Others that participate lose also with modified car with non stock parts. Does not mean vw, or Toyota , or Honda, or even if Benz join and lose means proton is the better daily driven car 😂. Anyway, also, proton is the only manufacturer that join as manufacturer. Means they are the only team with the full company backing. Other teams are only modification shops that did not come from manufacturer. 2. I am guessing you are not very confidence with your own answer as well. |
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jan 15 2018, 02:30 PM) nono not what im saying... in just trying to tell you, simply, take race cars out of the picture. Thats it, i did not bring any other make into the picture. im saying we should NEVER (regardless of makes and models) ever bring race cars into the picture. Unless its basically a completely stock car. We have our opinions at things, so lets keep it simple. Lets be honest, replying you would just repeat of what I have said earlier.1)iirc in 2017 only one other team, honda... and honda didnt really have much going for them under 2000cc (at leat i believe that was actually honda, otherwise... only proton had the manufacturer's backing) 2)no2 is really a question for the tuner houses or workshops(modders) in malaysia.... not about racing.... if you look around hard enough (just talking SPECIFICALLY about the engine) most neos, suprimas and preves dump the stock engine and just go straight for the latter gen 4g93 or 4g63(illegally) if they want in excess of 275hp. The stock block has quite a few limiting factors. the valves are thin, and lets just be honest, it wasn't meant to push that kind of power. anyway for ts, the suprima is a good car, and if you want to bump its power up slightly its all good. If you want to bump it up alot, no. Its just too costly |
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Jan 15 2018, 04:30 PM
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I believe we ran away from the original question... suprima S I believe if need then should not be an issue. But don’t expect civic FC level of power, comfort.
Due to our coutry’s tax system actually we are paying a lot for foreign cars. Not necessarily paying for quality, but to protect local company. Not the first country nor will be the last country to do so. Hence can’t really say we are paying for the quality, but rather paying for our car’s lack of it. Compare price after RM conversion of civic FC in UAE 🇦🇪 and then you would know y proton did not survive there. Meanwhile.... let’s continue to win the car races in Malaysia 🇲🇾...... Malaysia boleh! |
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there's no way u can mod suprima...due to a limitation of punch gb...save your money to buy spare gb if you are speed demon
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 14 2018, 07:58 PM) Let me ask you back: B segment prices : Check in langkawi or labuan.Whats the price range of B- Segment? Explain to me what ANCAP stands for? Fine, do you know the R3 Endurance Race? If you decided to answer my question, then you have answered your question boy. ANCAP : a standard below NCAP, if u means Asean NCAP which i believe two step below, that why somany car with 2-3 different rating ..... R3 endurance ? i done some merdeka race few time but i don't think i can relate to any production car or u want to try my wira 1.8 with rally homologation chassis with suprima S ? u can come over kajang and test it out ...... i still have that standard OZ rims on it. so any question ? MAN This post has been edited by SonnyCooL: Jan 15 2018, 06:10 PM |
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🧐maybe we are looking at this the wrong way, should proton join Le Mans cause I believe we are pretty confident in our capabilities, won too many awards in Malaysia that proves we have a really good car to drive, even daily car( you know, with those awesome lotus tuned ride handling)... who knows, with some of the awesome mods, we can even overtake a porshe and put it as a framed photo for the showrooms 😏😏😏😏
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Suprima S is a really good car, and I like the looks of it
But I’ll never get one as my main car, too unreliable Reading comments on the maintenance in the LYN SS forum always deters me of this car But I’ll eventually get it as a second car, not a bad choice IMO but only because I’m not into modding But since you’re keen on modding, I’m going to ask you to stay clear of this car The engine/gearbox is pretty much nearly maxed out - mechanically. As per the previous suggestions, get a 1.8 manual inspira, now that car has quite a lot more potential This post has been edited by axsatr: Jan 15 2018, 07:15 PM |
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It's an old thread.. this car is unrefined. Faster than most of the typical cars on the road especially after a remap. If you did not buy this car knowing that it has a lot of potential problems and for the sake of having power and handling you will not like it for long.
Most problems are minor but proton sometimes makes it unbearable with the time for certain replacement parts like driver seat and seat belt buckle, both of which can produce noise if youre unlucky. Prepare to spend money to make it more refined. At least you don't need to spend much on improving the handling. All you need are better tyres. |
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QUOTE(alvinrenren @ Jan 15 2018, 04:30 PM) I believe we ran away from the original question... suprima S I believe if need then should not be an issue. But don’t expect civic FC level of power, comfort. Clowns everywhere. Bukit indeed! Due to our coutry’s tax system actually we are paying a lot for foreign cars. Not necessarily paying for quality, but to protect local company. Not the first country nor will be the last country to do so. Hence can’t really say we are paying for the quality, but rather paying for our car’s lack of it. Compare price after RM conversion of civic FC in UAE 🇦🇪 and then you would know y proton did not survive there. Meanwhile.... let’s continue to win the car races in Malaysia 🇲🇾...... Malaysia boleh! |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 15 2018, 05:56 PM) B segment prices : Check in langkawi or labuan. What nonsense are you saying?ANCAP : a standard below NCAP, if u means Asean NCAP which i believe two step below, that why somany car with 2-3 different rating ..... R3 endurance ? i done some merdeka race few time but i don't think i can relate to any production car or u want to try my wira 1.8 with rally homologation chassis with suprima S ? u can come over kajang and test it out ...... i still have that standard OZ rims on it. so any question ? MAN ANCAP a standard below NCAP? Nonsense. More nonsense. You are nonsense, you clown. |
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QUOTE(alvinrenren @ Jan 15 2018, 06:50 PM) 🧐maybe we are looking at this the wrong way, should proton join Le Mans cause I believe we are pretty confident in our capabilities, won too many awards in Malaysia that proves we have a really good car to drive, even daily car( you know, with those awesome lotus tuned ride handling)... who knows, with some of the awesome mods, we can even overtake a porshe and put it as a framed photo for the showrooms 😏😏😏😏 You are talking nonsense again, you Ah Beng Bukit. |
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QUOTE(axsatr @ Jan 15 2018, 07:15 PM) Suprima S is a really good car, and I like the looks of it Sad that you got played by perception games. Well, your lost and I wish the best on whatever car you drive. But I’ll never get one as my main car, too unreliable Reading comments on the maintenance in the LYN SS forum always deters me of this car But I’ll eventually get it as a second car, not a bad choice IMO but only because I’m not into modding But since you’re keen on modding, I’m going to ask you to stay clear of this car The engine/gearbox is pretty much nearly maxed out - mechanically. As per the previous suggestions, get a 1.8 manual inspira, now that car has quite a lot more potential |
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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Jan 15 2018, 07:26 PM) It's an old thread.. this car is unrefined. Faster than most of the typical cars on the road especially after a remap. If you did not buy this car knowing that it has a lot of potential problems and for the sake of having power and handling you will not like it for long. I beg to differ. Car is machine and machine is affected by wear and tear issues, no matter how well constructed. This car is not so much affected by refinement problem but by badge snobbery and political hatred which translated to bad perception which Ah Beng Bukit who never test drive one but made a testament like he owned the car for 10 years 😂😂😂Most problems are minor but proton sometimes makes it unbearable with the time for certain replacement parts like driver seat and seat belt buckle, both of which can produce noise if youre unlucky. Prepare to spend money to make it more refined. At least you don't need to spend much on improving the handling. All you need are better tyres. |
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 16 2018, 12:38 AM) What nonsense are you saying? ANCAP a standard below NCAP? Nonsense. More nonsense. You are nonsense, you clown. QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 16 2018, 12:43 AM) When many people who drove that specific model and brand of car involved in terrible accidents managed to emerge unscathed, that is really telling something about the car. wahahahhahaha ... i rest my case, u are the man ....wahahahahha just for the laugh: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by SonnyCooL: Jan 16 2018, 01:36 AM |
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Jan 16 2018, 02:41 AM
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Enough... there is no real point arguing.... test drive both cars, then come to one's own conclusion. long as the OWNER him/herself feels happy with his/her own choice (be it perception or not) its good enough. Its the owner who has to own and drive it
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Jan 16 2018, 03:06 AM
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jan 16 2018, 02:41 AM) Enough... there is no real point arguing.... test drive both cars, then come to one's own conclusion. long as the OWNER him/herself feels happy with his/her own choice (be it perception or not) its good enough. Its the owner who has to own and drive it i don't argue with idxxx ..... just sharing my knowledge + some laugh |
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Jan 16 2018, 05:57 AM
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 16 2018, 12:46 AM) Sad that you got played by perception games. Well, your lost and I wish the best on whatever car you drive. You do realise I have a preve and I’m speaking from experience right?And you also do realise for the performance, the CFE engine consumes insane amount of fuel, for something that’s called charged fuel efficiency! Look at the civic ketam engine, more power with amazing F.C., that’s how a proper engine should be. Maybe my particular preve was a lemon, maybe it wasn’t, but hey I’m still gonna give proton another shot, and you said I got played with perception? Oh before you ask what’s wrong with my preve that accuses proton having reliability issues and my so called perception games? At 30,000 km, and service only at Proton SC with Fully Synthetic EO - engine head bocor. So the coolant seeps into the engine oil - random hard starts, or sometimes can’t start for 5 minutes then suddenly okay - brake juddering - alignment that’s almost impossible to correct - dashboard rattling - seat rattling - doors rattling To me all this contributes to being unreliable, as I spent so much time sitting in SC for a one year old car. |
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Jan 16 2018, 07:44 AM
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Alyaniff, the fact is preve is a shit car... I have driven many times and my closest uncle owns one for 4 years...
Its a desperate attempt for you sell how good your preve or SS but it is not going to change the fact that it is still subpar and not up to the standard of Japanese and Korean cars. I would think that the new Persona is probably marginally better than the preve You can continue to argue how good your car is here and nobody is going to believe it cos s*** is s***. Just acknowledge that and hope proton one day realised that and start making good cars just like the rest of the manufacturers |
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Jan 16 2018, 09:56 AM
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One can only hope proton knows the shortfall of some of their designed cars and not like syok sendiri continue to only win in local circuit car race against mod shops.
Seriously I do hope Alyaniff does not work for proton. If he does, then Geely also cannot save proton with this mentality😂. FYI I also used to drive proton car(s) and continuously being let down. Gearbox issue where if you release acceleration it automatically shift down, obvious fuel consumption issue, even glovebox got stuck and proton wanted to charge rm500 to replace whole glovebox. These are some memorable issue when I was less fortunate and unable to drive better cars. |
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Jan 17 2018, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE(alvinrenren @ Jan 16 2018, 09:56 AM) One can only hope proton knows the shortfall of some of their designed cars and not like syok sendiri continue to only win in local circuit car race against mod shops. i think that is the mentality (kaguh kampung) ruin proton .... best he is the man who know everything other than FACT ....Seriously I do hope Alyaniff does not work for proton. If he does, then Geely also cannot save proton with this mentality😂. FYI I also used to drive proton car(s) and continuously being let down. Gearbox issue where if you release acceleration it automatically shift down, obvious fuel consumption issue, even glovebox got stuck and proton wanted to charge rm500 to replace whole glovebox. These are some memorable issue when I was less fortunate and unable to drive better cars. |
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Jan 17 2018, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 17 2018, 01:09 AM) i think that is the mentality (kaguh kampung) ruin proton .... best he is the man who know everything other than FACT .... Hard to pin point.... this is only one of the reason. Don’t get me wrong, I used to want suprima S as the design team was lead by an executive from BMW, with good technical background. But same time, they did not improve from there. Obvious budget issue caused the ‘designed in Malaysia’ tag to be tarnished. Before Geely came, we (proton) tried to partner with external firm to design replacement engine (r&d in UK). The reason is that our current engines fail emission regulation,on top of fuel efficiency issue.Of course efficiency can be increased through the use of cvt gearbox (new Civic for example), but the gearbox can only improve so much on what is given from the engine. Geely is the best thing ever happen to proton, cut down on garbage, don’t do races if we need money from government to pay suppliers, we are not porshe/ Benz/ Ferrari/ mclaren. Most if not all manufacturers use Profit to go into racing. If Honda have no budget to do F1 engine, they also pull out cancel contract and focus on their business first. After the business settled, then continue to return at F1 building engine( not so successful but trying). Pride come at a cost. If we don’t have money to pay for our meals 3 times a day, we should not continue to dress up in suits. |
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Jan 17 2018, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(alvinrenren @ Jan 17 2018, 08:44 AM) Hard to pin point.... this is only one of the reason. Don’t get me wrong, I used to want suprima S as the design team was lead by an executive from BMW, with good technical background. But same time, they did not improve from there. Obvious budget issue caused the ‘designed in Malaysia’ tag to be tarnished. Before Geely came, we (proton) tried to partner with external firm to design replacement engine (r&d in UK). The reason is that our current engines fail emission regulation,on top of fuel efficiency issue. I agree. Geely is the best thing that has ever happened to Proton. Proton needs a big revamped in terms of corporate culture, mindset &, proper financial & assets management.Of course efficiency can be increased through the use of cvt gearbox (new Civic for example), but the gearbox can only improve so much on what is given from the engine. Geely is the best thing ever happen to proton, cut down on garbage, don’t do races if we need money from government to pay suppliers, we are not porshe/ Benz/ Ferrari/ mclaren. Most if not all manufacturers use Profit to go into racing. If Honda have no budget to do F1 engine, they also pull out cancel contract and focus on their business first. After the business settled, then continue to return at F1 building engine( not so successful but trying). Pride come at a cost. If we don’t have money to pay for our meals 3 times a day, we should not continue to dress up in suits. Back to topic, from the start the main issues for preve are design failure & QC failure. Then Proton tried to improve it in the Suprima, which turn out to be a flop since it is a low demand, low volume car. Suprima itself is not a great car, as its only USPs are only safety & handling prowess. For now, my advise is avoid buying preve & suprima. Proton needs to come up with a replacement for preve & stop selling suprima. A minor facelift won't do it justice. P/S: I'm not a blind proton basher. I do own some of latest proton models. |
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Jan 17 2018, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Jan 17 2018, 09:35 AM) I agree. Geely is the best thing that has ever happened to Proton. Proton needs a big revamped in terms of corporate culture, mindset &, proper financial & assets management. Yeap I agree. Patriotism can only go so far... if I see 2 apples, one from Malaysia and one from outside of Malaysia, same price and same quality, patriotism would steer me towards the made in Malaysia apple. But if Malaysia made apple although priced the same, it is smaller, with worms inside. It does not make sense to buy it. Of course then, the orchard would beg gov to impose a tax on the foreign apple. So now you are buying the imported apple at a more expensive price. This is not due to the imported apple have better quality, but the local apple have bad quality.Back to topic, from the start the main issues for preve are design failure & QC failure. Then Proton tried to improve it in the Suprima, which turn out to be a flop since it is a low demand, low volume car. Suprima itself is not a great car, as its only USPs are only safety & handling prowess. For now, my advise is avoid buying preve & suprima. Proton needs to come up with a replacement for preve & stop selling suprima. A minor facelift won't do it justice. P/S: I'm not a blind proton basher. I do own some of latest proton models. Now to add insult to injury, the orchard wants the Gov to assist by injecting few billion every year to pay for workers at site, fertiliser, fuel for machinery, all while other local orchard are working successfully without gov assistance. Then some orchard became smart and plant foreign apples locally to bypass gov tax ( part of the tax anyway) and now sell more than the original local orchard which the tax was put in place initially. So...... probably not so bukit after all..... just a consumer at market buying apples... |
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QUOTE(alvinrenren @ Jan 17 2018, 08:44 AM) Hard to pin point.... this is only one of the reason. Don’t get me wrong, I used to want suprima S as the design team was lead by an executive from BMW, with good technical background. But same time, they did not improve from there. Obvious budget issue caused the ‘designed in Malaysia’ tag to be tarnished. Before Geely came, we (proton) tried to partner with external firm to design replacement engine (r&d in UK). The reason is that our current engines fail emission regulation,on top of fuel efficiency issue. u have to understand one thing, why fail ? cause every move have different purpose behind, remember that few hundred millions spend on R&D one single model ? Of course efficiency can be increased through the use of cvt gearbox (new Civic for example), but the gearbox can only improve so much on what is given from the engine. Geely is the best thing ever happen to proton, cut down on garbage, don’t do races if we need money from government to pay suppliers, we are not porshe/ Benz/ Ferrari/ mclaren. Most if not all manufacturers use Profit to go into racing. If Honda have no budget to do F1 engine, they also pull out cancel contract and focus on their business first. After the business settled, then continue to return at F1 building engine( not so successful but trying). Pride come at a cost. If we don’t have money to pay for our meals 3 times a day, we should not continue to dress up in suits. |
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Jan 17 2018, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 17 2018, 01:38 PM) u have to understand one thing, why fail ? cause every move have different purpose behind, remember that few hundred millions spend on R&D one single model ? 😏few hundred million is typical of r&d, but not on a single model. It should be on a unified chassis which would be shared by few models. Even many manufacturers cut cost by sharing parts. Chassis are share between SUV from Audi and porshe as an example. Teams who are responsible for specific model would then pick and choose what chassis, engine, gearbox, even to a minute detail like power windows. They pick through a ‘company catalogue ‘ which then would charge accordingly to those team under specific cost center if that technology is used in the model in the final form. The old way is to design each model separately, with different supplier, different equipment specification. This would cause the supplier to open more manufacturing line to make stuff specific to that car model, means parts are super expensive. Stock keeping also would be another problem. Which brings us back to this question, basically in Malaysia we still have parts available. But even proton in Indonesia is dying. Basically closed I believe all SC as people would rather buy manual Avanza than auto exora with turbo. Know this first hand. |
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QUOTE(alvinrenren @ Jan 17 2018, 03:39 PM) 😏few hundred million is typical of r&d, but not on a single model. It should be on a unified chassis which would be shared by few models. Even many manufacturers cut cost by sharing parts. Chassis are share between SUV from Audi and porshe as an example. Teams who are responsible for specific model would then pick and choose what chassis, engine, gearbox, even to a minute detail like power windows. They pick through a ‘company catalogue ‘ which then would charge accordingly to those team under specific cost center if that technology is used in the model in the final form. the problem is here, why and what they want ? yes on paper many staff fail but at the back everyone make good money ..... that is the key.The old way is to design each model separately, with different supplier, different equipment specification. This would cause the supplier to open more manufacturing line to make stuff specific to that car model, means parts are super expensive. Stock keeping also would be another problem. Which brings us back to this question, basically in Malaysia we still have parts available. But even proton in Indonesia is dying. Basically closed I believe all SC as people would rather buy manual Avanza than auto exora with turbo. Know this first hand. |
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QUOTE(jacobngen87 @ Jan 16 2018, 07:44 AM) Alyaniff, the fact is preve is a shit car... I have driven many times and my closest uncle owns one for 4 years... Actually, it depends on what you meant by a "shit car" as there can be many factors. The Proton Preve Turbo (or any Proton car for that matter) is surely lacking a little in terms of quality of the interior fittings (minor rattling sound) and refinement of engine(louder noise) especially the Preve Turbo whereby the engine is turbocharged. Other than that, it's not only the safety but performance, both power and driving dynamics are better than most Japanese and Korean cars. It depends on what criteria you are comparing. Being a former Nissan Sylphy (2.0-litre) owner, the power and handling of the Nissan Sylphy are not comparable to the Preve Turbo, especially the handling. This goes with most Honda cars as. Its a desperate attempt for you sell how good your preve or SS but it is not going to change the fact that it is still subpar and not up to the standard of Japanese and Korean cars. I would think that the new Persona is probably marginally better than the preve You can continue to argue how good your car is here and nobody is going to believe it cos s*** is s***. Just acknowledge that and hope proton one day realised that and start making good cars just like the rest of the manufacturers The complaints with Proton in general is mainly due to the poor quality of the fittings - rattling sound, loose fittings etc. those QAQC. Nevertheless in terms of performance the Proton specifically the Preve Turbo is actually not too bad if you don't look at the weaknesses too much since those "shit" problems are minor quality stuff that won't affect the usability of the car. And also considering the price tag which is below RM70k. For someone one a budget looking for good car, I would still recommend the Preve Turbo for its performance level but would caution on the quality issues. For RM69k+/- the price which I bought it, it's still a solid car despite some quality issues mentioned earlier and maintenance is on the low side as well. I would take the Preve Turbo over the Nissan Almera or any cars in the price range of 80k and below anytime. |
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Jan 19 2018, 01:06 PM
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My office car is a suprima. Get both premium and standard version. I have drove most of time with standard version, but both share same engine, turbo, cvt.
Cons: 1. Rattling too much at dashboard, at back seat, those back Bonet cover, send sc, not much improvement. 2. Cvt, although better than preve, it's well below cvt standard as per Honda, Nissan etc. Too much jerking compare with other brand 3. FC. It's a joke. 100% not fuel efficient, especially at City drive. Even personal car 2.4 engine consume lesser fuel for daily drive in real situation. 4. Radio lagging too much. Pro: 1. Decent spec 2. Able to reach 170kmh effortless. After that is quite struggling a bit. 3. Suspension ok quite good |
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Jan 19 2018, 04:26 PM
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I own the new persona. Handling is really superb. I can only imagine the suprima's will be even better!
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jan 19 2018, 08:23 AM) Actually, it depends on what you meant by a "shit car" as there can be many factors. The Proton Preve Turbo (or any Proton car for that matter) is surely lacking a little in terms of quality of the interior fittings (minor rattling sound) and refinement of engine(louder noise) especially the Preve Turbo whereby the engine is turbocharged. Other than that, it's not only the safety but performance, both power and driving dynamics are better than most Japanese and Korean cars. It depends on what criteria you are comparing. Being a former Nissan Sylphy (2.0-litre) owner, the power and handling of the Nissan Sylphy are not comparable to the Preve Turbo, especially the handling. This goes with most Honda cars as. These buggers/clowns (proton bashers) main concern for a shitty car category is mainly in fittings. Lets pause a bit and think shall we. A car is a mechanical device and rattles are unavoidable. No matter how expensive your car is. The question is when it will start to happens. Proton cars starting from Preve are value to buy cars. More so a good 2nd hand as you are getting a nearly semi-luxury (quarter-luxury if you must) sedan for a very small cost. For me, small RV is not a problem as car is a depreciative asset and I normally use my car more than 10 years before changing rides. The FC is quite good for its size and weight, handles well, enjoyable driving, comfy; in short, a driver's car. If you want a car that doesn't rattles, no wear and tear issue, have a high RV, then dont buy a car, buy a collector's item like toys.The complaints with Proton in general is mainly due to the poor quality of the fittings - rattling sound, loose fittings etc. those QAQC. Nevertheless in terms of performance the Proton specifically the Preve Turbo is actually not too bad if you don't look at the weaknesses too much since those "shit" problems are minor quality stuff that won't affect the usability of the car. And also considering the price tag which is below RM70k. For someone one a budget looking for good car, I would still recommend the Preve Turbo for its performance level but would caution on the quality issues. For RM69k+/- the price which I bought it, it's still a solid car despite some quality issues mentioned earlier and maintenance is on the low side as well. I would take the Preve Turbo over the Nissan Almera or any cars in the price range of 80k and below anytime. |
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jan 19 2018, 01:06 PM) My office car is a suprima. Get both premium and standard version. I have drove most of time with standard version, but both share same engine, turbo, cvt. I am intrigue about the point 3. Which car is that? Is it a hybrid?Cons: 1. Rattling too much at dashboard, at back seat, those back Bonet cover, send sc, not much improvement. 2. Cvt, although better than preve, it's well below cvt standard as per Honda, Nissan etc. Too much jerking compare with other brand 3. FC. It's a joke. 100% not fuel efficient, especially at City drive. Even personal car 2.4 engine consume lesser fuel for daily drive in real situation. 4. Radio lagging too much. Pro: 1. Decent spec 2. Able to reach 170kmh effortless. After that is quite struggling a bit. 3. Suspension ok quite good |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 17 2018, 01:09 AM) i think that is the mentality (kaguh kampung) ruin proton .... best he is the man who know everything other than FACT .... Its because Ah Beng Bukit like you who likes to play perception and yet failed to give FACTS to back your allegations. I think i will not layan clowns like you in this discussion in the future. |
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QUOTE(axsatr @ Jan 16 2018, 05:57 AM) You do realise I have a preve and I’m speaking from experience right? No, I dont realised because i dont know you well enough! Well, my condolence to you if you did have a lemon unit.And you also do realise for the performance, the CFE engine consumes insane amount of fuel, for something that’s called charged fuel efficiency! Look at the civic ketam engine, more power with amazing F.C., that’s how a proper engine should be. Maybe my particular preve was a lemon, maybe it wasn’t, but hey I’m still gonna give proton another shot, and you said I got played with perception? Oh before you ask what’s wrong with my preve that accuses proton having reliability issues and my so called perception games? At 30,000 km, and service only at Proton SC with Fully Synthetic EO - engine head bocor. So the coolant seeps into the engine oil - random hard starts, or sometimes can’t start for 5 minutes then suddenly okay - brake juddering - alignment that’s almost impossible to correct - dashboard rattling - seat rattling - doors rattling To me all this contributes to being unreliable, as I spent so much time sitting in SC for a one year old car. |
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Jan 21 2018, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 21 2018, 01:08 PM) These buggers/clowns (proton bashers) main concern for a shitty car category is mainly in fittings. Lets pause a bit and think shall we. A car is a mechanical device and rattles are unavoidable. No matter how expensive your car is. The question is when it will start to happens. Proton cars starting from Preve are value to buy cars. More so a good 2nd hand as you are getting a nearly semi-luxury (quarter-luxury if you must) sedan for a very small cost. For me, small RV is not a problem as car is a depreciative asset and I normally use my car more than 10 years before changing rides. The FC is quite good for its size and weight, handles well, enjoyable driving, comfy; in short, a driver's car. If you want a car that doesn't rattles, no wear and tear issue, have a high RV, then dont buy a car, buy a collector's item like toys. Don't spend your time attacking those who don't agree. You will not change their perception no matter what. Some have a valid reason to be displeased with Proton, others just jump on the hate bandwagon because that's just human nature (such as one particular guy who apparently has an uncle with a preve and a myvi and many other cars). Personally I agree that it's hard to get a car that is free from rattles unless it's not very well equipped (less wiring and connectors in the car that can cause rattles). The problem with some of the rattling in cars from Proton is that they could be really severe.. till the point of the rattle sound permeating the whole car cabin under normal speeds. Can you accept it? I don't think you can answer this properly as you probably had never faced severe and LOUD rattling before judging from how you're writing. I had a Persona which had such a severe rattling that could only be solved after I removed the whole dashboard myself and separated all the plastic parts that are contacting each other with some cloth/sponge. I have a Suprima that has a lot of the same design mistakes seen in older Proton cars that are causing rattles. I bought this car knowing that it can have rattles (and very severe ones as well), and indeed it had, had cause I either fixed it myself, or sent it to be fixed. Instead of wasting your time writing against others, you should write against Proton instead. If you are satisfied, great. Spend some time reading in the Preve Facebook group after someone approves your request to join, and maybe join more of the other groups as well. Hopefully you won't be so defensive about all this bashing after you see what others have gone through. This post has been edited by TDUEnthusiast: Jan 21 2018, 02:46 PM |
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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Jan 21 2018, 02:45 PM) Don't spend your time attacking those who don't agree. You will not change their perception no matter what. Some have a valid reason to be displeased with Proton, others just jump on the hate bandwagon because that's just human nature (such as one particular guy who apparently has an uncle with a preve and a myvi and many other cars). Hmmm, fairly you can say both ways to me and to the bashers as well. I just dont like bashers who bash for the sake of bashing but did not experience the car themselves. If constructive criticism then I dont mind and I think its great. Back to bashers, it is my greatest pleasure to bash them back and prove that their bashing are always empty talks. Probably some Ah Bengs Bukit or Mat Rempit who drove Myvi or Vios. Hahaha, when I drove my Preve, these drivers always cucuk me or drive macam cilaka for reasons unknown. Probably butthurt from other Preve users who bullied them earlier 😂😂😂Personally I agree that it's hard to get a car that is free from rattles unless it's not very well equipped (less wiring and connectors in the car that can cause rattles). The problem with some of the rattling in cars from Proton is that they could be really severe.. till the point of the rattle sound permeating the whole car cabin under normal speeds. Can you accept it? I don't think you can answer this properly as you probably had never faced severe and LOUD rattling before judging from how you're writing. I had a Persona which had such a severe rattling that could only be solved after I removed the whole dashboard myself and separated all the plastic parts that are contacting each other with some cloth/sponge. I have a Suprima that has a lot of the same design mistakes seen in older Proton cars that are causing rattles. I bought this car knowing that it can have rattles (and very severe ones as well), and indeed it had, had cause I either fixed it myself, or sent it to be fixed. Instead of wasting your time writing against others, you should write against Proton instead. If you are satisfied, great. Spend some time reading in the Preve Facebook group after someone approves your request to join, and maybe join more of the other groups as well. Hopefully you won't be so defensive about all this bashing after you see what others have gone through. |
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 21 2018, 01:08 PM) These buggers/clowns (proton bashers) main concern for a shitty car category is mainly in fittings. Lets pause a bit and think shall we. A car is a mechanical device and rattles are unavoidable. No matter how expensive your car is. The question is when it will start to happens. Proton cars starting from Preve are value to buy cars. More so a good 2nd hand as you are getting a nearly semi-luxury (quarter-luxury if you must) sedan for a very small cost. For me, small RV is not a problem as car is a depreciative asset and I normally use my car more than 10 years before changing rides. The FC is quite good for its size and weight, handles well, enjoyable driving, comfy; in short, a driver's car. If you want a car that doesn't rattles, no wear and tear issue, have a high RV, then dont buy a car, buy a collector's item like toys. am personally not a proton basher.... (my household is full of protons) but when it comes to their engines, protons till date have always been let downs, compared to something like a city, the campro's are basically gas guzzlers. Something larger you say? okay how bout mazda 3 and their skyactive? Do you realize, even the accord with its bigger more powerful engine easily achieves the same economy? Of the bunch here sure there wil be some proton bashers, but you must also keep an open mind yourself. |
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Jan 21 2018, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jan 21 2018, 05:02 PM) am personally not a proton basher.... (my household is full of protons) but when it comes to their engines, protons till date have always been let downs, compared to something like a city, the campro's are basically gas guzzlers. Something larger you say? okay how bout mazda 3 and their skyactive? Do you realize, even the accord with its bigger more powerful engine easily achieves the same economy? I am, thats why i never denied that a Preve FC is average and to be on safe side, I always put it on 10km/l or as I like to put it as you get 5km per RM1. But considering a 6 years or more engine technology in a heavy car it is quite decent. As AyamXXX informed that 2017 Accord achieved 8km/l and I checked a 2012-2013 Accord have an average FC of 11-12km/l. I am not saying the Preve/Suprima is a perfect car, it is certainly a value buy car.Of the bunch here sure there wil be some proton bashers, but you must also keep an open mind yourself. |
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Jan 21 2018, 05:48 PM
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Anyway, lets get back to the TS intention. He wants to know if the Suprima S is acceptable for modding and here we are transforming this thread to another "Is Proton good or not thread". I say; yes, you can mod it and all depends on what is your requirement". IMHO, as the car 2nd hand value is quite cheap, yes, it is a good car for modding. We know once you mod, your car will never have good RV.
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Jan 21 2018, 08:31 PM
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Yes I agree on this point Alyaniff, need to get back to point. Suprima s can be mod but depend on what part. Rims, get new color, carbon fibre parts, new exhaust system (not the ah beng ones 😏😏), remap/ racechip. Those can be done even on BMW’s after 5 years.... those cars cost rm80k or less after warranty anyway. But any heavy mod then make sure you have a back up car or this is your back up car.
Moving to heavier mod would be big brake kits, engine overhaul with lighter parts , gearbox can handle extra hp ? Suspension? |
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Jan 21 2018, 09:08 PM
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The weakest link to the car's performance is the CVT which can only take up to 220Nm of torque. You can'd do much since in stock form the engine is already churning out 205Nm, there isn't much margin for you to play with.
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Jan 22 2018, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE(Alyaniff @ Jan 21 2018, 01:08 PM) These buggers/clowns (proton bashers) main concern for a shitty car category is mainly in fittings. Lets pause a bit and think shall we. A car is a mechanical device and rattles are unavoidable. No matter how expensive your car is. The question is when it will start to happens. Proton cars starting from Preve are value to buy cars. More so a good 2nd hand as you are getting a nearly semi-luxury (quarter-luxury if you must) sedan for a very small cost. For me, small RV is not a problem as car is a depreciative asset and I normally use my car more than 10 years before changing rides. The FC is quite good for its size and weight, handles well, enjoyable driving, comfy; in short, a driver's car. If you want a car that doesn't rattles, no wear and tear issue, have a high RV, then dont buy a car, buy a collector's item like toys. Yes, it's mainly the quality of fitting. For me, my car shows minimal rattling sound for a 4+ year old car. It's the fitting specifically the gear knob of the car that is my main complaint as the plastic piece on the knob came out for the 3rd time already. Will be getting it fixed during the next scheduled service. Other than this quality issue, there are no other issues with the car and yes, it's value for money. For the price paid, in terms of performance (acceleration power, handling and stability in high speed cruising), even most 2.0-litre cars cannot match the Preve Turbo's performance. |
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Jan 22 2018, 08:08 AM
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jan 21 2018, 05:02 PM) am personally not a proton basher.... (my household is full of protons) but when it comes to their engines, protons till date have always been let downs, compared to something like a city, the campro's are basically gas guzzlers. Something larger you say? okay how bout mazda 3 and their skyactive? Do you realize, even the accord with its bigger more powerful engine easily achieves the same economy? Honda City is more fuel efficient than the Suprima or Preve Turbo because it is not only 1.5-litre but is significantly lighter than the Proton. The curb weight of the City at 1,112 kg is lesser than the Preve Turbo's 1,366 kg which is a difference of 254 kg. The additional weight (254 kg) is equivalent to 4 medium-built adults sitting inside the car. Of the bunch here sure there wil be some proton bashers, but you must also keep an open mind yourself. If the Preve Turbo is compared to other cars in the similar C-segment, it is either comparable or perhaps register slightly lower fuel consumption than some of these cars. I find the Preve Turbo 1.6 to deliver either comparable or slightly lower fuel consumption than my other C-segment car, the Ford Focus 2.0. |
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Jan 22 2018, 08:15 AM
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Personally I feel there isn't any need to modify the Suprima or Preve Turbo as the car has sufficient power on the road. It can easily match most 2.0-litre cars in terms of acceleration if not surpass them due to the turbocharged engine. On the highways, when cruising at 90 km/h or 100 km//h, it can easily accelerate to 140 km/h in a short period, leaving Perodua Myvis who are often used to poking other vehicles bumper far behind.
As mentioned earlier, it may not be feasible to modify the car to achieve better power or acceleration as the CVT is the achilles heel, unless the transmission is also replaced with a manual gear or something. It would turn out to be a race car already by then instead of a family car with a good balance of comfort and performance. |
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Jan 22 2018, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jan 22 2018, 08:01 AM) Yes, it's mainly the quality of fitting. For me, my car shows minimal rattling sound for a 4+ year old car. It's the fitting specifically the gear knob of the car that is my main complaint as the plastic piece on the knob came out for the 3rd time already. Will be getting it fixed during the next scheduled service. Other than this quality issue, there are no other issues with the car and yes, it's value for money. For the price paid, in terms of performance (acceleration power, handling and stability in high speed cruising), even most 2.0-litre cars cannot match the Preve Turbo's performance. Haa, my 2nd hand Preve also got that issue. Actually when I took its delivery, the car had an OEM gear knob but being a stickler for originality, I insists on original design Preve knob. True enough, after just a few days the cover fell off; the clip broken. You know what I did to fix it? Just apply a hardware grade "nail glue" on the lower clip and a bit on the top part. Strong as new. |
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