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Richard
post Nov 28 2016, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 28 2016, 09:28 PM)
It is probably cause by no neutral wire on the smart switch?
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Right.. A regular switch will not have a Neutral..

TS needs to pull down a Neutral wire back into the switch box..

Edit* Easiest way to do it is to use one of the existing switch wires as a Neutral and then loop an additional Live wire from nearest light.

This post has been edited by Richard: Nov 29 2016, 07:42 AM
Richard
post Nov 29 2016, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(colinchoo @ Nov 29 2016, 07:40 AM)
The Broadlink  TC2 apparently was designed not to use a neutral line. I.e. one to one replacement with normal malaysian switch.  Works with higher wattage bulbs perfectly but just not LED bulbs below 7.5W.
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Nice.. Learn something new today.. Haha
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post Nov 29 2016, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 29 2016, 12:23 PM)
That is because it uses the circuit as series, sure it maybe ok for large some range of voltage and current. Do you know such switch will create voltage drop, and some sensitive devices will have problem, also for large current operation device may result in burning the switch.
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That's a general description for all types of switches..

Conventional pressure contact and thyristor type electronics..

Run the switch at the rated current and voltage only..

Go beyond the specs and you get thermal overload .. You have to know the limits..
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post Nov 29 2016, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 29 2016, 03:23 PM)
It is not much different because the wire is really not that long. Cut it short is to make it more proper and have some space for the hot air out. (not much also)

You won't get risk of fire if

1) the time using is short.
2) The heater KW doesn't exit the max wire ampere carry. Maybe around 20A. or 4.8kw.
3) the connection not loose and tight secure. switch and heater side.

Get a better higher Amp switch.
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Its not the cable length that's the problem..

The higher the current carrying capacity the more the contact area and contact pressure becomes critical..

For round conductors like wires carrying heavy current you MUST use terminal lugs which are properly suited flat and make capacity for the application..

Take a thermal imaging device and point it at the load..

The heat is always at the contact points where the contact area and pressure is the least..

Your item 3 is correct and primary.. Emphasize it more..
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post Nov 29 2016, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 29 2016, 05:00 PM)
I know.

That's why I told him, not much different. But trim down the wire in a tight space will have the wire properly done and some air space. A tight space behind the socket will bend the wire 90degree at the screw contact wire side. With the thick wire usually use in the wall, the wire have intend to brick at the end insulation expose wire side.

You know all this consumer wall socket even a 20A socket don't have a cable lug type of terminal. So you only can tightly screw the wire to get a secure contact.

I usually will strip the insulation longer, bend the wire to equal length and insert into the hole. That increase the wire contact amount in the hole. It also help for the smaller wire gauge that the screw have difficult to lock it.

I use a lot of cable lug in industry. If the consumer socket, plug do have, definitely I will advise them to use it.
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ok.. I'm just repeating what's an obvious problem in residential electrical..

The common practice of twisting wires will not work in a heater circuit and will be a fire hazard.. It has to be properly terminated..

It isn't so much a problem with LED lighting but becomes a problem when people are DIY their own heater and aircon terminals..

Be safe..
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post Nov 30 2016, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(DecaPix @ Nov 30 2016, 11:32 AM)
i tot wires making a small loop carrying high current will act like a heater element?
better not to loop the wire inside the switch box. make a clean connection to reduce the induced current
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No.. Its the resistance to electron flow that produces heat ..

Analogy of water through a pipe.. smaller pipe high friction = smaller cable high resistance
bigger cable means higher current flow

Induced current means electron flow picked up from another conductor magnetic field (flux)..

By itself it doesn't produce a temperature rise, nothing you can feel anyway ..

The heat comes from bad contacts, pitting due to electrical arcs..

which is why you must periodically tighten down your connections.. or use a lock washer..

 

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