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TSalienxp03
post Nov 25 2016, 03:13 AM, updated 10y ago

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I've started lifting regularly since almost 2 years ago. Then decided to try out Stronglift 5x5 and just started around August. So roughly, it's been almost 3 months now. And I guess I'm still way too early to complain or anything. Anyway, not complaining. Just seeking some advice here smile.gif

I feel like my upper body is way weaker than my lower body, so are there any advice for that? Whether it's nornal, or anything that I missed or can be improved? Or I'm just over thinking? I'm still new, so some insight would be helpful.

I'll just continue the routine anyway since it's only been like 3 months anyway. But if any of you guys have been following SL too, how long did you guys chose to stick with it?

Here my details:

Height: 164cm
Weight: 70kg

Current progress:

Squat: 127.5kg
OH Press: 40kg
Deadlift: 120kg
Bench Press: 72.5kg
Row: 70kg


Ps: currently have to deload on deadlift since I've already failed for 3 times

This post has been edited by alienxp03: Nov 25 2016, 03:22 AM
TSalienxp03
post Nov 25 2016, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(pleowcw @ Nov 25 2016, 08:08 AM)
Hi bro,
Yeah, your numbers don't quite jive.
I suspect it is your back; Your back probably fail you first when you deadlift.

If it is the case, then focus more on the back loh.
It is one hell of a big area; lat, trap, lower back, etc.
You might wanna try various row variations, chin/push up etc.
Good luck.
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I think it's my arms. I'm failing deadlift right now because my grip is not strong enough. On the last set, can only do 3 rep and my palms are starting to let go of the bar. They said I shouldn't add any other exercises when doing SL, that's why I didn't add any. Afraid no more strength left after that 😅

QUOTE(Npad @ Nov 25 2016, 10:34 AM)
Those numbers, they're peculiar. No offense but are you squatting to depth?

Anyhow, I did SL 5x5 for the first 2 months of me lifting. From my own experience, I think it's shit. It's better if you do something different. What's your goal? Aesthetics? Strength? 5/3/1 is good. PHUL/PHAT is good. GZCL is good. If you want to trust an internet stranger and focus on strength you can  try my program  too if you want.
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Haha. None taken, no worries. Peculiar indeed, but I do squat to depth. Did it in front of a mirror and always ask people at the gym to see whether my form is right. Just that my lower body is stronger, I guess.

And so far, SL works for me. My bench press previous was 60kg. Now it's 72.5. Overall, I do see some changes. That's why I think I'm gonna stick to it right now.

My goal is strength actually, that's why I'm looking at SL. Maybe I'll try 5x3x1 too once I've failed these routines. Looking at your program and it seems pretty comprehensive. Gonna take a while to read that. Thanks man

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post Nov 25 2016, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 25 2016, 10:54 AM)
as hes asking, upper body...
but yea, ur OH press is kinda low.
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At least I can confirm I'm not being paranoid sweat.gif

QUOTE(helven @ Nov 25 2016, 12:37 PM)
I did SL for 2 months since after a long rest and big sick with empty bar, I just want to experience it though people says start with empty bar is stupid, but prefer SS due to 5x5 3 times a week heavy squat is too much for me to handle. I don't feel right so I take a step backward do 3x5 and it has been steady.

SL has low volume on upper, iirc SL has low to no back exercise so you might wanna add pull/chin up if those part you feel week. Accessories like dips is good too.

Since you've trained for 2 years, your big 4 form should be on track, so i think PPL routine should be better if you have the time and can handle the volume.
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/push-pull-legs-split/

*Nowhere near pro/advance or anything, just share my exp, dont flame me for anything I said wrong, im on the path of learning too*
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Thanks for the references. I might hit plateau soon since I'm reaching my max right now. I'm using a StrongLifts app and it did mentioned that if I hit plateau long enough, it'll ask me to change to 3x5 instead. So I think I might be heading towards that direction, but not yet I guess.
TSalienxp03
post Nov 25 2016, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 25 2016, 01:00 PM)
iirc SL suggests u start at 40kg right?
means OH press hasnt progressed but everything else has?

maybe try go do one arm dumbell OH press.
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I started with 15kg actually. Low I know sweat.gif SL usually started with around ~40% of my current strength (few months ago). After that I hit plateau at 40kg, so have to deload. Now just hit 40kg and didn't fail, so can increase it a bit next time I go there.

Maybe I'll just incorporate some other arm exercises, or grip maybe. Might do Farmer's Walk since my grip is pretty weak, can't deadlift heavy just because of that.

This is when I first started
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This is my current progress
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post Nov 25 2016, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(axtray @ Nov 25 2016, 03:23 PM)
well i know darklight hates the program (or Mehdi).

but can't deny that it works for quite some people.

if you're not progressing, rather than the program, are you eating properly. what are your macros.
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Didn't know he's got some bad rep here biggrin.gif But I'm gonna stick for a while since it seems to be working for me. And will look for something else too once I hit the wall.

To be honest, I don't really count my macros (sorry, I know I'm wrong now). I'll start doing some research on that. Other than whey protein, I don't take any other supplements. Only took it because it's easier to consume compare to eating chicken.

Daily I eat around 5-6 times usually. Heavy lunch and dinner, the rest are chicken, bread, protein, bananas, nuts, etc.. Small/medium portion.

QUOTE(bafukie @ Nov 25 2016, 03:29 PM)
The fella who copied and make it his program (ie Mehdi) is one douchebag lol. I used to be in his mailing list till i was very fed up with the way he answers ppl's questions. He only believes in DL, Squats, Bench and Row. The rest of the watever weight training movement are 'fake' and not worth doing.
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Haha. I know that program have some bad rep on the net, but I'm trying this based on my friend's recommendation. She's a regular lifter, and saying that this is one of the program that I can try out. And so far, it works for me that's why I'm sticking to it at the moment. Only my upper body is my concern unfortunately sweat.gif
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post Nov 25 2016, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Npad @ Nov 25 2016, 04:18 PM)
Try to use straps or chalk if you can to help you grip, Do not let grip hinder your progress. You can train your grip  separately in a number of ways like farmer's walk, isometric holds, wrist curls, etc. You can do them after your workout or during your off days. Unless you're competing in a powerlifting meet, don't feel like it's a shame to wear straps, chalk or gloves.
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Yeah, seems like I definitely need the grip training in between right now. I'll see my progress in the next few weeks, then probably will consider the chalk, straps, gloves. Right now I'm not using any equipment yet. Just trying to see how far I can go without it.

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post Nov 25 2016, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Nov 25 2016, 05:05 PM)
Making a good program is easier than Form 3 Maths. Yet people find programs to follow. SMH.
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I don't get your point.

If there's something wrong with my workout routine, do point it out. I'm learning, and trying this workout because I've never done this before. So if you have experience with it, would be great if you can share it.

But if you're here to troll, please, please don't.

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post Nov 28 2016, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(Amedion @ Nov 25 2016, 06:17 PM)
SL for beginners is okay.

I'd say you better do compound movement followed by 2-3 assistant work.

Bench only not enuff to increase upper body strength. Throw in some dips, chin-ups, lats pulldown, lateral raises, etc..

DL 1x3 definitely not enuff. No need farmers walk. Just DL more. Sumo, conventional, stiff legged.. do them all..
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 25 2016, 06:32 PM)
i would probably suggest still 1 arm dumbell OH press, go back 15 or 17 kg dumbell and work up again...
or go back 35 or 37.5kg and do 3x8.
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Supposed to be 1x5, but only managed to do 1x3 for the final set. The warm up set was 60kg, 80kg, 100kg, 110kg, all 1x5.

Contemplating between the these two advices, since both sounds like good ideas to me. I'm gonna give it a try and see which one works best for me. Might take a while to see the effect though.

Thanks again for your advice and help smile.gif
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post Dec 4 2016, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(toman88 @ Dec 2 2016, 03:15 PM)
wait you start with 15kg on OHP?
the oly bar usually start with 20kg already..

bside..you many reps u can do OHP at 40 kg?
u dont mention the reps either..its 1rm?3rm?5rm?
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When starting SL, they recommended to start low. Around ~40% from my normal load. Reason is to perfect the form first, otherwise I can't progress much later on. It helps a lot starting off this way IMHO

It's 5x5, but have warm up sets too. For OHP at 40kg, usually these are the routine:

5x1x20kg
5x1x20kg
3x1x30kg

5x5x40kg

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post Dec 5 2016, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(bafukie @ Dec 4 2016, 05:41 PM)
Though I understand the concept, but perfecting form using light weight aint helping imo. I find that during heavy load, 80% of 1rm and above only true form starts to show. Lol
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Agreed. But with SL, you definitely can't start with 80% of 1RM. For squat, you'll have to increase 7.5kg each week. In a month, it's going to be +30kg. And three times a week. It is pretty heavy. I'm not an expert, but been reading a lot and the feedback has always been the same. Start light, and just follow the routine progression. First 1-2 months usually is the warm up. It gets pretty hard real fast after that

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post Dec 5 2016, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(helven @ Dec 5 2016, 12:41 PM)
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You carry 120kg on your back, squat 5 reps for five times repeatedly, every 5 reps, rest 1 to 2 to 3 to 5min depends on your fitness level.

Barbell is expected to be 20kg but *cough *cough
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Why you cough? biggrin.gif

Barbell weight should be included too. But some barbell just weight 15kg though
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post Dec 5 2016, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(hikaru85 @ Dec 5 2016, 07:23 PM)
Omg, i been doing squat at home only using 20 kg dumbbell in total... how can i ever survive that..
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Years of practice and discipline? biggrin.gif I remembered that I used to do 30kg squat. 10 reps for 3 sets. I straight away went home after that, and I couldn't even walk properly for almost 2 weeks.

QUOTE(helven @ Dec 5 2016, 08:27 PM)
Barbell is expected to be 20kg, for standard Olympic bar weight for men, but *cough *cough there are 16.x one, 18.x one and 19.x one lulz, which makes logging hard
15kg is for women iirc
20kg Barbell + 100kg plates = 120kg total
Yeah, it's hard to log. So I just took the barbell and weight it at the weight machine. Everyone was looking at me, but just walk and smile. Haha. That's the only I can know the real weight I guess.

 

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