i like the deep sound after swapping with pbt keycaps haha

yeah thanks a lot for reserving those units for us

one day you will own topre.

for things like mkbs, it's fine to get 2nd hand or even 3rd. i still buy a lot of 2nd hand stuff. (good deals for good stuff in damn good conditions, why not? and as a bonus i get to meet a lot of kind people in the process)

selamat hari raya and happy holidays to you and family also haha

imo if it's for the sake of collection purposes only, maybe you don't need to consider anything; just get it lol

if you use it casually maybe it's ok also; however for more convenience, maybe you need to consider the absence of dedicated f-keys and arrow keys.

yeah it's better to play games with wired connection.

yeah read about this also. it's a pity; but there might be some very convincing reasons for the switch. hopefully it's not about costs, because brands that are associated with vortex like ikbc still use pbt, double-shot pbt some more.

you can go for storeuni.com for anne pro and ultimate.zone for pok3r.

LOL i think you saw the price tags wrongly. (maybe you were looking at a mouse pad, a mouse or a membrane keyboard)

the sudden influx of affordable mkbs in the market is a good thing, but there are reasons why they are so 'affordable'. keywords such as 'mechanical keyboards' have become a marketing tool, and for marketing purposes they are oversimplified into a keyboard that can allow you to change switches and keycaps, hiding all quality details under the carpet. human are simple beings. so they like and embrace simple ideas. (it's like rgb; something that have no practical purposes, but we have them in all our new toys; luckily most of them have option to be turned off)

for mkbs, imo it's still better to get models from brands that have decent user reviews.

oh this; well it's currently 'out of stock'. imo that price is unrealistic; it's more like for clearance, but nevermind

nice; hopefully some days i can do that too.

locally it might be hard to find all parts. alternatively you can try sites like winkeyless.kr.

between the two i think ikbc c87 has better values because it comes with double-shot pbt key caps (i think only leopold and ikbc have pbt key caps by default). the good thing about double-shot pbt key caps is that their legends just don't wear off even after a long while; and they are nice to type on. very steady (ducky one's should be double-shot abs; should be equally durable, but they develop key-shine effects).

as a comparison, a number of legends on my corsair k70 rgb's abs key caps wore off, and developed key-shine effects in just after few months of use. (wasd keys especially; terrible :/)

edit: oh you added filco into the list. get filco then. it's damn cheap for that price tbh. (mkbs are relatively durable for a long time; age is not really a problem)

This post has been edited by horns: Jul 3 2017, 10:26 PM

thanks a lot for the correction; my bad for not checking c87 out closely

http://www.ikbc.com.tw/c87 yeah the website for c87 actually stated it's pbt; not pbt double-shot like f87.

quovadis123 has answered about filco and nkro; filco majestouch2 has nkro with ps/2 adapter (the adapter comes with the board).

if you planned to change to better-quality key caps, taobao is cheaper. price range varies based on quality; there are a lot of good stuff there, e.g. dye-sub or double-shot pbt key cap sets.

about no. 1, i think quovadis123 has corrected the confusion just now.

for no. 2, you can always take a look at filco's product page, like this one, http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/det.php?prod_c=884

er you have to answer that yourself.

personally, filco; and i like black case hahaha

previously i was a gaming board user also

i guess after you used filco as your daily driver, you will understand why most of us don't go back to gaming boards anymore. (well at least this was my case)

for filco boards, don't worry about those stabilizers when you swap key caps. it's easy.

for switches, it's really about personal preference. just get what you want and have fun with it

well, that's the price for good-quality, better looking key cap sets and imo it's good to put them on your filco. there are cheaper ones. however they are not really as nice. (these key cap sets last for a long time; you can reuse them for as long as you like actually)

yeah it's good in a way to promote mkbs hopefully more users can have better typing experience with them.

well yeah.

from user reviews that i read, quality is kind of like a common issue in these boards. (most reviews at youtube usually just show unboxing experience, when boards are still new. the thing that matters more imo is user reviews that include at least few months of dedicated usage)

however since it's affordable, users most probably get a new one when the current one malfunctioned hehe

yeah to oem manufacturers it's a good opportunity (it's basically an untapped market; they can clear stocks and grab money in the shortest time). whether it's long term or not, it still depends on them after that.

inconsistency in budget switches is a bad user experience. on the brighter side, it's a chance to educate users to differentiate between good and bad switches (or mkbs in general).

i have negative thoughts about all these but let's hope it's not that bad.

not a sifu, but as a typical user.

to me it's the noticeable difference between a set of same key switches on a board. (maybe more obvious if it's blue which have both tactile and clicky sounds) they are supposed to have the same typing feels. (pretty much like what you described, but it's not because of using different switches in the same board)

i use linear switches mostly; when i played with tactile and clicky switches i can feel differences if i paid enough attention. (like brown; the tactile is there, and it feels a bit scratchy in filco ninja brown; however, they are consistent)

yeah eventually mkb is about personal preference, which makes it fun to play with.

edit: got pok3r; cute is cute geh; but really need to spend time to adapt to it. as for filco majestouch.2.tkl.s, all i have to say about this board is that if you want a very quiet board, this is the one to go. definitely. (unless you're looking for backlit boards like corsair strafe) imo it's way better than corsair strafe with cherry mx pink switches.

hopefully we can see the 75% vortex race 3 locally later.

This post has been edited by horns: Jul 10 2017, 11:26 AM

yes not hot-swappable; but they still can be replaced by soldering, so it's all good

just have fun with the board first. it's not that the switches will fail within short period of time.

meaning the switches can be replaced on-the-fly, without soldering. just plug and play, like replacing key caps. there are already budget mkbs that have this feature.