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TSmactreouser
post Nov 21 2016, 10:27 AM, updated 3y ago

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Hi,
Recently, my Innova's Radiator Reverse Tank keep less water, Overheated issue?
In fact, Temperature Reading is Normal all the while (those less water), for I keep adding water.
Housing, Reverse Tank and Hosts were replaced, new ones!
Can't tell water marks on the floor.

Any Experiences or Ideas about that signs?


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azrilyp
post Nov 21 2016, 10:31 AM

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Could be small leakage. Check for water marks around the engine area. If you are using blue color coolant, there maybe some blue color markings around.

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post Nov 21 2016, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(azrilyp @ Nov 21 2016, 10:31 AM)
Could be small leakage. Check for water marks around the engine area. If you are using blue color coolant, there maybe some blue color markings around.
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Yes, Blue Coolant! I was trying hard to check the water mark, seems see nothing around. Can you point out where should I more specific to check?
The leakages you mean is most probably hosts area?
Not Exactly Engine Overheated?
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post Nov 21 2016, 10:55 AM

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am very curious.... is that oil in the damned radiator??

if yes, please check your engine oil and oil cap, see if ade milky substance kat dalam....
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post Nov 21 2016, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Nov 21 2016, 10:55 AM)
am very curious.... is that oil in the damned radiator??

if yes, please check your engine oil and oil cap, see if ade milky substance kat dalam....
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wana add, if thats oil.... you are in for a 'great' time..... a real treat...... console.gif
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Nov 21 2016, 10:57 AM)
wana add, if thats oil.... you are in for a 'great' time..... a real treat...... console.gif
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Means? blink.gif
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 21 2016, 11:16 AM)
Means?  blink.gif
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What he means that if could be as 'minor' as a worn head gasket, or in a worst case scenario a warped head requiring skimming or even possibly a new engine head.

Feel if there's any sign of oil in your radiator/radiator cap.
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:41 AM

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what's the age of the car? Check engine oil level for any oil burning.
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post Nov 21 2016, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Nov 21 2016, 11:40 AM)
What he means that if could be as 'minor' as a worn head gasket, or in a worst case scenario a warped head requiring skimming or even possibly a new engine head.

Feel if there's any sign of oil in your radiator/radiator cap.
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Oh... that's what I worry too! Hopefully the worse is Gasket issue!

QUOTE(azrilyp @ Nov 21 2016, 11:41 AM)
what's the age of the car? Check engine oil level for any oil burning.
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Oil Level just normal, no less at all, so far!
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post Nov 21 2016, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Nov 21 2016, 11:40 AM)
What he means that if could be as 'minor' as a worn head gasket, or in a worst case scenario a warped head requiring skimming or even possibly a new engine head.

Feel if there's any sign of oil in your radiator/radiator cap.
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^this

to me, even a headgasket is bad.... this is something i personally dont wana have to deal with....

1)check if thats actually oil in your radiator... pics not clear but seems like it.... (alittlebit is fine, alot then not fine)
2)check if there is any water in the engine oil.... check dipstick, oil should be clear, no check the oil cap, if its really bad, you will see lots of water/condensation on the oil cap (or shove your finger into the hole and feel around it, take your finger out and check for signs of water, if theres water, confirm headgasket kaput.
**only check when car is cool, if you get burns dont blame us ya icon_idea.gif

3)sometimes if the coolant goes low for no reason, its actually leaking into the combustion chamber and gettting burnt. To check, look at the exhaust for white smoke which points to coolant or just water vapour (dont test in the rain, panic last week cause car was spewing loads of white smoke, turned out to be a puddle of water in my exhaust which pooled in the pipe due to my parking on a slope and rain.... laugh.gif )
**ppl do say burning coolant smells sweet, i duno, never smelt it b4 blink.gif
4)for the fun of it, you can take the radiator cap off, then start the car, let it run til the thermostat is open (you should see water swirling) sometimes bubbles pop out the neck.... if there are bubbles, well thats exhaust and its quite bad

good luck thumbsup.gif

**wana add that a headgasket is probably one of the worst things that can be happening to you anyway (short of a cracked block ofc), not sure whats the liquid's designated flow in your car, but in my model, the automatic variants dlow atf into the radiator as well, in some cases, the radiator vracks or springs a leak internally mixing the 2 liquids... you should also check if the oil (if it is oil) is atf fluid.... if yes, best you check your atf fluid via the dipstick.

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post Nov 21 2016, 01:27 PM

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Op, the whitish and yellowish stuff at radiator fill hole neck looks like oil crud, indicating engine oil mixing with water.
Check with bare index fingers whether it's oily to touch/feel ?
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post Nov 21 2016, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 21 2016, 12:02 PM)
Oh... that's what I worry too! Hopefully the worse is Gasket issue!
Oil Level just normal, no less at all, so far!
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Nov 21 2016, 12:33 PM)
^this

to me, even a headgasket is bad.... this is something i personally dont wana have to deal with....

1)check if thats actually oil in your radiator... pics not clear but seems like it.... (alittlebit is fine, alot then not fine)
2)check if there is any water in the engine oil.... check dipstick, oil should be clear, no check the oil cap, if its really bad, you will see lots of water/condensation on the oil cap (or shove your finger into the hole and feel around it, take your finger out and check for signs of water, if theres water, confirm headgasket kaput.
**only check when car is cool, if you get burns dont blame us ya  icon_idea.gif

3)sometimes if the coolant goes low for no reason, its actually leaking into the combustion chamber and gettting burnt. To check, look at the exhaust for white smoke which points to coolant or just water vapour (dont test in the rain, panic last week cause car was spewing loads of white smoke, turned out to be a puddle of water in my exhaust which pooled in the pipe due to my parking on a slope and rain.... laugh.gif )
**ppl do say burning coolant smells sweet, i duno, never smelt it b4  blink.gif
4)for the fun of it, you can take the radiator cap off, then start the car, let it run til the thermostat is open (you should see water swirling) sometimes bubbles pop out the neck.... if there are bubbles, well thats exhaust and its quite bad

good luck  thumbsup.gif

**wana add that a headgasket is probably one of the worst things that can be happening to you anyway (short of a cracked block ofc), not sure whats the liquid's designated flow in your car, but in my model, the automatic variants dlow atf into the radiator as well, in some cases, the radiator vracks or springs a leak internally mixing the 2 liquids... you should also check if the oil (if it is oil) is atf fluid.... if yes, best you check your atf fluid via the dipstick.
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QUOTE(zeng @ Nov 21 2016, 01:27 PM)
Op, the whitish and yellowish stuff at radiator fill hole neck looks like oil crud, indicating engine oil mixing with water.
Check with bare index fingers whether it's oily to touch/feel ?
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Bros. appreciate your advices and suggestions! So far what I did is Touched and Feel the Brownish thingy & the water inside Radiator, don't feel like Oil !! hmm.gif

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post Nov 21 2016, 04:41 PM

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Go to a workshop & ask them to perform a pressure test.. Doing this will show possible leaks.


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post Nov 21 2016, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 21 2016, 04:41 PM)
Go to a workshop & ask them to perform a pressure test.. Doing this will show possible leaks.
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Tested last week, everything was fine! This just happened after the trip last few days. cry.gif
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post Nov 21 2016, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 21 2016, 04:43 PM)
Tested last week, everything was fine! This just happened after the trip last few days. cry.gif
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How old is your Innova? If there's no sight of leaks externally, it could be a head gasket leak already.

Experience workshop should have another testing tool to check for gasket leak.

This post has been edited by Thrust: Nov 21 2016, 05:18 PM
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post Nov 21 2016, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 21 2016, 04:46 PM)
How old is your Innova? If there's no sight of leaks externally, it could be a head gasket leak already.

Experience workshop should have another testing tool to check for gasket leak.
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YUP, will send in tomorrow. Just to get some infos here from different users biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 21 2016, 05:20 PM)
YUP, will send in tomorrow. Just to get some infos here from different users  biggrin.gif
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Do update us on the outcome. Thanks!
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post Nov 21 2016, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 21 2016, 05:37 PM)
Do update us on the outcome. Thanks!
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For sure. Really afraid Head Damaged! Heard about hard to get Potong Head... bangwall.gif
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post Nov 21 2016, 06:15 PM

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Had this issue with my Renault Kangoo b4. Head warped. Oil mixed with water. Inside all mayonnaise.
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 21 2016, 06:10 PM)
For sure. Really afraid Head Damaged! Heard about hard to get Potong Head...  bangwall.gif
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Head gasket warped will soon happen to all cars. It can be repaired, no issue.
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post Nov 21 2016, 08:14 PM

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Checked the small bypass water hose?
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post Nov 21 2016, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Nov 21 2016, 06:15 PM)
Had this issue with my Renault Kangoo b4. Head warped. Oil mixed with water. Inside all mayonnaise.
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Wow... It seems mine will be that condition when open up ya?! Expensive for that repair?

QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 21 2016, 08:03 PM)
Head gasket warped will soon happen to all cars. It can be repaired, no issue.
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Oh, Really? So i'm not the lucky one la? brows.gif
So as your experiences, Gasket Replacement is the most worse condition in my case?
As question above, how much for the whole service? what's including upon the service? Head Skim too?
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 21 2016, 09:07 PM)
Wow... It seems mine will be that condition when open up ya?! Expensive for that repair?
Oh, Really? So i'm not the lucky one la?  brows.gif
So as your experiences, Gasket Replacement is the most worse condition in my case?
As question above, how much for the whole service? what's including upon the service? Head Skim too?
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Mine ended up with new engine. Cost around RM 4.5K with installation. Old engine beyond repair. Block also cracked.
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 21 2016, 09:07 PM)
Wow... It seems mine will be that condition when open up ya?! Expensive for that repair?
Oh, Really? So i'm not the lucky one la?  brows.gif
So as your experiences, Gasket Replacement is the most worse condition in my case?
As question above, how much for the whole service? what's including upon the service? Head Skim too?
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Yup. Normally coolant loss is due to cracked radiator and coolant hoses. If those are not the culprit, it could be a blown head gasket.

How old is ur car anyway? You can actually try to replace ur radiator cap & observe from there. It is a cheap trial and error step as worn out cap will allow coolant loss through vapor.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Nov 21 2016, 09:32 PM)
Mine ended up with new engine. Cost around RM 4.5K with installation. Old engine beyond repair. Block also cracked.
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OMG cry.gif

QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 21 2016, 10:10 PM)
Yup. Normally coolant loss is due to cracked radiator and coolant hoses. If those are not the culprit, it could be a blown head gasket.

How old is ur car anyway? You can actually try to replace ur radiator cap & observe from there. It is a cheap trial and error step as worn out cap will allow coolant loss through vapor.
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My car around 10 yrs! Actually Radiator Top Housing already replaced, cap should changed together?
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If engine is at normal operating temperature and you press the water hose the hose feel soft like no pressure that means your radiator cap is bad no more holding pressure. Bad cap usually will cause water lost problem .
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QUOTE(eddievh @ Nov 22 2016, 12:14 AM)
If engine is at normal operating temperature and you press the water hose the hose feel soft like no pressure that means your radiator cap is bad no more holding pressure. Bad cap usually will cause water lost problem .
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Oh, really? Then it's a good news, Bro! 😅
But, if I'm not mistaken, it seemed just replaced a few months ago... So fast wear out? 😢
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 22 2016, 12:04 AM)
OMG  cry.gif
My car around 10 yrs! Actually Radiator Top Housing already replaced, cap should changed together?
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You check and see whether ur radiator cap is old or new. If its old, try replacing it.
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TS,
As some have mentioned, check the radiator cap, coz your looks very rusty on the spring part. Use your fingers to press onto the inner bottom part of the cap, there should be a smooth compression motion onto the spring.

No harm changing it, as its the cheapest and easiest part to change and monitor from there.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 22 2016, 07:05 AM)
You check and see whether ur radiator cap is old or new. If its old, try replacing it.
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Ok! In fact, those brownish thingy on the the cap and surrounding @ the radiator mouth, most possibility is the mixed of water and oil?
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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Nov 22 2016, 08:39 AM)
TS,
As some have mentioned, check the radiator cap, coz your looks very rusty on the spring part. Use your fingers to press onto the inner bottom part of the cap, there should be a smooth compression motion onto the spring.

No harm changing it, as its the cheapest and easiest part to change and monitor from there.
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Sure Bro. Will do!
As mentioned, the brownish thingy meant something even worse than the cap issue, right? I mean if cap issue won't caused the brownish?
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 22 2016, 08:40 AM)
Ok! In fact, those brownish thingy on the the cap and surrounding @ the radiator mouth, most possibility is the mixed of water and oil?
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I think the brownish thingy are actually rust.
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 22 2016, 08:42 AM)
Sure Bro. Will do!
As mentioned, the brownish thingy meant something even worse than the cap issue, right? I mean if cap issue won't caused the brownish?
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The brownish thingy/rust elements can originate from various parts of the cooling line including the radiator cap's components eg. springs which in some variants do contain metal that will eventually rust.

So test your cap's springs (and replace if necessary), and clean off all those rust particles before continue monitoring.
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post Nov 22 2016, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 22 2016, 08:42 AM)
As mentioned, the brownish thingy meant something even worse than the cap issue, right? I mean if cap issue won't caused the brownish?
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Don't remove that brownish/yellowish stuff. Leave it alone.
Next go to a highly recommended 'competent' mechanic with vast experience dealing with 'oil/water' contamination , not any mechanic.
Ask him to confirm : whether it is 'oil/water' contamination.

Note:I don't think that brownie stuff is rust.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Nov 22 2016, 11:21 AM)
Don't remove that brownish/yellowish stuff. Leave it alone.
Next go to a highly recommended  'competent' mechanic with vast experience dealing with 'oil/water' contamination  , not any mechanic.
Ask him to confirm : whether it is 'oil/water' contamination.

Note:I don't think that brownie stuff is rust.
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Bingo, you are expert enough! Just checked and dropped car @ workshop. Confirmed, cap on the engine head showed Water mark, which means water entering to engine!

So, it's Engine Head overheated! Now, hope that head could be skimmed and gasket changes, then pay and drive! If nowhere to skim, then need to potong used head, in fact, a lot of potong nowadays selling whole engine, some even included Gearbox! Will be expensive 😢😢😢
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QUOTE(mactreouser @ Nov 22 2016, 04:52 PM)
Bingo, you are expert enough! Just checked and dropped car @ workshop. Confirmed, cap on the engine head showed Water mark, which means water entering to engine!

So, it's Engine Head overheated! Now, hope that head could be skimmed and gasket changes, then pay and drive! If nowhere to skim, then need to potong used head, in fact, a lot of potong nowadays selling whole engine, some even included Gearbox! Will be expensive 😢😢😢
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Hahaha ...... I simply tembak buta mata only basing on your pictures of limited resolution sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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TS, your car engine overheated before? Because engine head rarely will warp unless its been exposed to high temperature.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Nov 22 2016, 08:35 PM)
TS, your car engine overheated before? Because engine head rarely will warp unless its been exposed to high temperature.
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I myself, never... perhaps first hand driver? dry.gif

 

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