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post Nov 17 2016, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 16 2016, 06:30 PM)
As ever, I believe its budget issue as well as operational requirements
6 Kedahs x 8 missiles x about EUR 1m each = Rm224 million

Thats not chump change. Even if we arm just 2 Kedahs at a time, thats Rm75M... its the choice between up gunning the Kedahs with token* antiship weapons or buying another 1.5 LMS platforms... choose.

*with the vast array of SAMs and CIWS in existence the best antship weapon is a sublaunched torpedo. Thats the Western doctrine anyway.

P.s. RAM missile is the same price and come in 21 round launcher... you figure that price out I already rclxub.gif
Damn it looks big!

The ships are old. If it saves money to decom then, we should. Similar to UK Armed Forces, suck up a capability gap for 5-10 years then come back into the game with a bigger wallet


EUR 1 million get ASM?
well Exocet MM40 Block 3 cost usd 3.5-4 million each, even NSM also cost 2.8-3 million each.
and kedah class only design with 4 ASM (2X2 formation).

and i think you confuse with RAM Missile & launcher, only missile is cost usd 1m+-
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MK49 Launcher with hold 21 missiles cost 8 million,plus support, training, installation may cost up to 10 million usd.

assume 1 kedah class:
4pcs NSM + Launcher = usd 16 million +
30pcs RIM116c missile @1m each (21 in hole+ remaining for spare and training/testing) + launcher = 40million
total usd 56 million per-ship. (a LMS price)

My view priority still install searam (RIM116c) with Mk49 launcher first, since new version now can attack small fast moving boat.

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post Nov 17 2016, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 17 2016, 09:55 AM)
Or as per my suggestion, take out the launch units on the old missile boats we're retiring anyway and install them on the Kedah-class. Should be doable.  laugh.gif
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if still can use why not, but need to think it is old and short range. and how many lifespan
SG formidable class for starting also use old version Harpoon ASM take from old ship.
but our arm force usually not want old stuff, due to get old staff means possible never get new item

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post Nov 17 2016, 11:48 AM

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left 6 week end 2016,still no sign MD530G delivery. hopefully got news on next week.
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post Nov 17 2016, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 17 2016, 11:47 AM)
Harpoon Block 2 claimed USD 1.2M, Exocet claimed EUR 800K in previous years, then I mark up a bit. Tomahawk cruise missile is USD 1.1M-1.2M also. Kongsberg NSM is quoted to be around or slightly lower than Tomahawk ie USD 1M or a bit less. RAM also, yes per shot , I didn't check RAM launcher price but it should be expensive since RAM's standout point is in its rapidfire systems and radar.

Of course this is from Jane's, defence news and US govt budget data. If you have better source it would be great.

I didn't know Kedah only supposed to have 4 biji total sad.gif
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well we must see on hole packages cost not single unit price, US missile sell locally is national price, also it only missile price, not include packages. mainly refilll the stock.
you can see other country order Harpoon price price include all packages can from usd 3-7 million if average out for single unit price。
also US missile usually cheaper than euro missile due to large quantity production。
now small small missile also usd 1++ million.
but you know lah use US missile weapon must follow there role & policy。
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post Nov 17 2016, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 17 2016, 12:14 PM)
Exocets are designed to be installed in modular crate/launch units for smaller ships like small frigates, corvettes or missile boats, AFAIK they aren't designed to be launched by VLS.  Most ships that use Exocets have max 8 missiles anyway IIRC. Smaller ships like missile boats carry as little as 2 missiles only.
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actually Harpoon is smaller than Exocet, but now NSM also smaller than Harpoon & But NSM warhead also smaller。
JSM will have VLS version call JSM-VL (in RnD now), use for navy warship。JSM-VL will add 1 meter booster,range possible extend to 220km+ so can install in 5 meter MK41 VLS
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RAF Typhoons Claim Win In Exercise With Malaysian Flankers
Oct 28, 2016 Bradley Perrett | Aviation Week & Space Technology

The Royal Air Force (RAF) does not usually claim victory in an exercise—it prefers to stay quiet about such matters. But British Eurofighter Typhoon pilots report that they defeated Malaysian Sukhoi Su-30MKM Flankers in mock battles this month, with a new helmet-mounted sighting system regarded as essential. Warm-up drills for Exercise Bersama Lima 16, held in Malaysia Oct. 4-21, provided the first opportunity for RAF Typhoons to be pitched against the Su-30MKMs of the Royal Malaysian .

link, but no account to read all report.

http://aviationweek.com/combat-aircraft/ra...aysian-flankers
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post Nov 21 2016, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 19 2016, 03:58 PM)
and 40 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets for another USD 10.1 billion. However they may buy less F-15s if they want to include Typhoon... I'm not sure why???

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/kuwait...-into-the-2020s
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they pay "Protection fees" to US as many military people said.
also one of reason is they buy long maintenance packages up to 20 year until Mid life upgrade or SLEP。
but just wanner why so small country like Kuwait & Qatar need so many 4th generation fighter ? even MY much bigger country only few 4 gen fighter also hard to get more unit. really look like is "political buy" even other they buy like Rafale, C-17, Apache etc。。。。what Qatar need C-17 for doing what?
to team up as Arab forces ?

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post Nov 21 2016, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 21 2016, 04:33 PM)
if anything that graphic shows how low Russia has sunk...
I meant I don't understand why buy Typhoon in addition to all that...

Saudi buying US protection too? Since they are almost fully US equipped whistling.gif
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i see in other report is due to US don't approval to sell F15EF/F18EF to kuwait/qatar is due to Israel objection also possible anti Arab faction in US,
so kuwait buy Typhoon and Qatar buy Rafale to give US pressure. but since Trump win President, he will sell anyway, so better approve it for now.
Saudi already pay protection so long ago as US bigger arm sell , even there US base。

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post Nov 21 2016, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 21 2016, 08:34 PM)
not surprising... inb4 rm2 paid up company
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seriously not think wrong RM2 company, that is minimum money to register company,
just for register company, not much people want register company not much care how much to register company.
not different with RM100 or RM1000 register company,
importance is after done register company, how many fund inject to company.
maybe gov need change rule minimum 1 million to register company?

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post Nov 23 2016, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 22 2016, 12:37 AM)
The issue is not with the paid up capital itself

The issue is that awarding the contract to a company like that is either simply giving it to some company with no prior history of work or the company is a front for somebody else. Both are indicators of cronyism.
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well partially not correct, usually mostly still via tender, and in tender document also have list pass project , but at the end capability is other story, every project is different. well not all project give to class A contractor (tier 1 contractor), usually some also give to c,d,e class contractor maybe no have strong capability/resources/financially if facing problem. personally i think Gov should increase those contractor grade with more higher capital in bank, engineering staff, qualification, information technology, etc etc. too low for currently specially for low grade contractor.

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post Nov 24 2016, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 23 2016, 08:03 PM)
The Indonesian Air Force is set to receive 6 units EC725 Cougar CSAR from PT. Dirgantara. Photos credit to Adrianus Darmawan.

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i not see Winches module in top of the door,i wonder how to do rescue? just curious.
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post Nov 24 2016, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 23 2016, 11:49 PM)
obviously not for war losses sweat.gif

even during peacetime also... why? the govt just goes and buys another Nimitz lah

if anything, the US Govt is the insurer of AIG, considering it bailed out AIG for USD 180 billion... how many Nimitzes is that again? laugh.gif
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but military aircraft(include helos) usually crash rate x3 more than civilian aircraft.
if can insure, sure cost will be very high。
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Hong Kong customs seize shipment of nine armoured military vehicles from Taiwan bound for Singapore

Sources say it may be one of the biggest seizures of strategic commodities in two decades; details about owner, sender and consignee still being investigated

Nine armoured military vehicles, along with components and accessories, have been confiscated by Hong Kong customs in a routine inspection at the Kwai Chung terminal, marking one of the biggest seizure of strategic commodities in two decades.
Preliminary investigation showed the consignment was being shipped from Taiwan to Singapore, the Post has learned.
“Hong Kong was not its final destination. It is not known why the consignment was unloaded here,” a government source with knowledge of the matter said.


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http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-cri...moured-military


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clear is SG Terrex 8x8, news from TWsaid use in taiwan for training, after traning ship back to SG, but cargo ship go to HK for other cargo shipment, not plan upload those vehicles, but not sure why those cargo ship off load to port. than get HK custom seize.

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QUOTE(bereev @ Nov 25 2016, 07:27 AM)
the report mention explosive material found not sure are the ammo or just few bullet 
x-rayed  biggrin.gif  custom use x-ray can penetrate the armored skin  hmm.gif still they not mention the military personnel involve just only HK custom , it will be release very soon SG & HK are best friend, unless PLA come in disturb the process. 
they are not doing any illegal trade just a transport back to SG after exercise at Taiwan, think positive, this is good to promote the ACV since now it is on international news  biggrin.gif
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new said no explosive found, but some arm personal accessories found like Bullet Proof Vest, backpack etc。
well rule is if weapon/military enter HK port declare and get approval, even transshipment also need declare. but the shipping document paper just declare "training vehicle" never mention military equipment. laugh.gif
Is time SAF built there endurance 160 LHD. so no need depend commercial shipment.

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 25 2016, 03:37 PM)
4500ton? destroyer?  hmm.gif
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Type 45, 8000+ tons class destroyer,

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Nov 25 2016, 03:33 PM)
painted and getting ready to be launched (note they are standing on the 2nd ship under construction)


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very fast built the ship .... seems only few month。
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post Nov 25 2016, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 25 2016, 05:05 PM)
I've actually seen this mistake made by newsies more than once doh.gif its official designation is Type 45, somehow this becomes 4,500 tons I dunno why doh.gif it actually displaces around 9,000 plus metric tons... what would have been called cruisers not too long ago.

well fuck this gon be good. Type 45 engines are basically the Tiger tank engines of the Royal Navy - expensively custom built machines for which there are no spares and somewhat prone to failure, aggravated by long service in the Mid East for which apparently they were not designed to withstand doh.gif HMS Duncan is the AAW ship in charge of watching the Russian fleet so... this gon be good doh.gif
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Not really tiger tank engine, just first war ship using new generation IEP (integration Electric Propulsion) system with use WR21 gas turbine (base from aircraft engine) + 2 diesel Engine. but main issue is the bad specially design Intake cooling & Exhaust system for WR21 gas turbine cause brake down/power loss in hot temperature. well like France/Italy/US/Japan/turkey warship also use Gas turbine engine in warship also no issue. warship using Gas turbine need very Expert design in intake/exhause/cooling system.

with IEP, the warship no need small diesel generator for electric anymore, all warship share power generation from main engine。all main engine use for power generation, and integration power system will supply power to electric motor to push propellers. so no more huge Gearbox, cost maintenance will be reduce, saving more space。

IEP will be future warship design, and some LHD, Frigate, destroyer start adopt this technology。

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post Dec 2 2016, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Dec 1 2016, 04:17 PM)
cos they have teh moneh and we don't have enuff
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more like our country development budget is low。
means budget for ATM development also low.
almost like standard budget,not much change from pass。

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post Dec 2 2016, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Dec 2 2016, 02:17 AM)
We are outright in the midst of a financial crisis, but the govt media doesn't dare say it out
Not this close to election
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even we no economic issue time, development budget still low.
i think more like policy issue. how much willing invest in defense, also mainly no politician will.
also our pass gov financial policy/structure make as hard to get more budget for defense.

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