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azriel
post Nov 17 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Nov 17 2016, 10:09 AM)
2016 LATIHAN TNI AD DI NATUNA


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A much larger joint exercise involving TNI-AD, TNI-AU and TNI-AL "Latihan Pasukan Pemukul Reaksi Cepat (PPRC)" is scheduled also in Natuna on November 19th.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 17 2016, 11:05 AM)
A much larger joint exercise involving TNI-AD, TNI-AU and TNI-AL "Latihan Pasukan Pemukul Reaksi Cepat (PPRC)" is scheduled also in Natuna on November 19th.
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no pun intended laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Nov 17 2016, 11:11 AM

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Thanks for the heads up.

QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 17 2016, 11:05 AM)
A much larger joint exercise involving TNI-AD, TNI-AU and TNI-AL "Latihan Pasukan Pemukul Reaksi Cepat (PPRC)" is scheduled also in Natuna on November 19th.
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post Nov 17 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 17 2016, 09:41 AM)
EUR 1 million get ASM?
well Exocet MM40 Block 3 cost usd 3.5-4 million each,  even NSM also cost 2.8-3 million each.
and kedah class only design with 4 ASM (2X2 formation).

and i think you confuse with RAM Missile & launcher, only missile is cost usd 1m+-
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MK49 Launcher with hold 21 missiles cost 8 million,plus support, training, installation may cost up to 10 million usd.  

assume 1 kedah class:
4pcs NSM + Launcher = usd 16 million +
30pcs RIM116c missile @1m each (21 in hole+ remaining for spare and training/testing) + launcher = 40million
total usd 56 million per-ship.    (a LMS price)

My view priority still install searam (RIM116c) with Mk49 launcher  first, since new version now can attack small fast moving boat.
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Harpoon Block 2 claimed USD 1.2M, Exocet claimed EUR 800K in previous years, then I mark up a bit. Tomahawk cruise missile is USD 1.1M-1.2M also. Kongsberg NSM is quoted to be around or slightly lower than Tomahawk ie USD 1M or a bit less. RAM also, yes per shot , I didn't check RAM launcher price but it should be expensive since RAM's standout point is in its rapidfire systems and radar.

Of course this is from Jane's, defence news and US govt budget data. If you have better source it would be great.

I didn't know Kedah only supposed to have 4 biji total sad.gif

This post has been edited by KLboy92: Nov 17 2016, 11:48 AM
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post Nov 17 2016, 11:48 AM

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left 6 week end 2016,still no sign MD530G delivery. hopefully got news on next week.
azriel
post Nov 17 2016, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 17 2016, 11:48 AM)
left 6 week end 2016,still no sign MD530G delivery. hopefully got news on next week.
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Not this year but in middle 2017.

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SHAH ALAM: Its better late than never, so the saying goes. When I first heard about the decision to order the MD-530G Light Scout Armed Helicopters in October last year, I expected that it will be delivered by 2017, at the earliest.


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The MD-530Gs will not be delivered this year. It is likely that the first aircraft will only be ferried here by the middle of 2017.

And the training of PUTD pilots selected for the MD-530Gs will only commenced early next year, a delay as much as six months.

The training – basic aircraft handling and weapon system familiarization to safely release ordnance – will be conducted at MD Helicopters facilities in Mesa, Arizona. And by that, it will take at least another 24 months before the helicopters could be declared operationally ready.

Why the delay then? As funding for the helicopters was not included in 2016 allocation, payment – even the initial one – need to be green lighted under the 2017 Budget. No one from the Treasury will take the chance to pay for something that had yet to be funded. In certain cases, they will but the helicopters are not priority items.


http://www.malaysiandefence.com/better-late-never-2/
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post Nov 17 2016, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 17 2016, 11:47 AM)
I didn't know Kedah only supposed to have 4 biji total sad.gif
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Exocets are designed to be installed in modular crate/launch units for smaller ships like small frigates, corvettes or missile boats, AFAIK they aren't designed to be launched by VLS. Most ships that use Exocets have max 8 missiles anyway IIRC. Smaller ships like missile boats carry as little as 2 missiles only.

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QUOTE(bereev @ Nov 17 2016, 01:17 PM)
resupply port  unsure.gif
welcome Russian fleet to pump petrol and get refreshment  rclxms.gif
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Do Russian Navy ships regularly make port calls when they pass through here?
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post Nov 17 2016, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 17 2016, 10:40 AM)
well, i wouldnt underestimate the will of the PRC... while its not appropriate to bring politics into this thread, it has an effect on national security and geo politics..

1st najis already makan dedak prc,

2nd both klang n jb have industries nearby mlk dont have therefore its role as an export import port wont work, might it be a regional transshipment port like sg? no, that's in the hands of western shipping companies and the biggest market in the region indonesia wont buy into it.. so what's left? resupply port? which is most likely...

3rd, other port near south asia can be a precedence of what's to come..

4th short term it would be good for msia, but the populus wont benefit much as like most big prc projects they bring in their own materials and people... long term wise, msia loses that portion of waterfront
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It will likely turn out to be the 1st military foothold in SEA for the PRC.
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post Nov 17 2016, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Nov 17 2016, 11:47 AM)
Harpoon Block 2 claimed USD 1.2M, Exocet claimed EUR 800K in previous years, then I mark up a bit. Tomahawk cruise missile is USD 1.1M-1.2M also. Kongsberg NSM is quoted to be around or slightly lower than Tomahawk ie USD 1M or a bit less. RAM also, yes per shot , I didn't check RAM launcher price but it should be expensive since RAM's standout point is in its rapidfire systems and radar.

Of course this is from Jane's, defence news and US govt budget data. If you have better source it would be great.

I didn't know Kedah only supposed to have 4 biji total sad.gif
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well we must see on hole packages cost not single unit price, US missile sell locally is national price, also it only missile price, not include packages. mainly refilll the stock.
you can see other country order Harpoon price price include all packages can from usd 3-7 million if average out for single unit price。
also US missile usually cheaper than euro missile due to large quantity production。
now small small missile also usd 1++ million.
but you know lah use US missile weapon must follow there role & policy。
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post Nov 17 2016, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 17 2016, 12:14 PM)
Exocets are designed to be installed in modular crate/launch units for smaller ships like small frigates, corvettes or missile boats, AFAIK they aren't designed to be launched by VLS.  Most ships that use Exocets have max 8 missiles anyway IIRC. Smaller ships like missile boats carry as little as 2 missiles only.
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actually Harpoon is smaller than Exocet, but now NSM also smaller than Harpoon & But NSM warhead also smaller。
JSM will have VLS version call JSM-VL (in RnD now), use for navy warship。JSM-VL will add 1 meter booster,range possible extend to 220km+ so can install in 5 meter MK41 VLS
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 17 2016, 01:31 PM)
well we must see on hole packages cost not single unit price,  US missile sell locally is national price, also it only missile price, not include packages. mainly refilll the stock.
you can see other country order Harpoon price price include all packages can from usd 3-7 million if average out for single unit price。
also US missile usually cheaper than euro missile due to large quantity production。
now small small missile also usd 1++ million.
but you know lah use US missile weapon must follow there role & policy。
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Fair enough.
Then our best source is probably this recent sale to India.

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The contract is worth $81 million, according to PTI. The contract includes the procurement of 22 Lot 89 Harpoon missiles, associated containers and components. These missiles will be ready by June 2018 to be delivered to India.


US$ 3 million, almost US$ 4 million rclxub.gif can expect Exocet to cost at least as much if not a little more... the price of two LMS
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post Nov 17 2016, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 17 2016, 01:45 PM)
actually Harpoon is smaller than Exocet, but now NSM also smaller than Harpoon & But NSM warhead also smaller。
JSM will have VLS version call JSM-VL (in RnD now), use for navy warship。JSM-VL will add 1 meter booster,range possible extend to 220km+ so can install in 5 meter MK41 VLS
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Wah so lightweight? And here I thot Exocet small already. laugh.gif
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post Nov 17 2016, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(ks1230 @ Nov 17 2016, 10:57 AM)


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hahaha! mitsubasi sucks!
then again, that's the beauty of 8x8, lose one tyre oso no problem.
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post Nov 17 2016, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(ks1230 @ Nov 17 2016, 10:57 AM)


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lol at standing soldier expression. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 17 2016, 12:57 PM)
Why on earth they still refer this as 'tank boat'?

Got tank turret on boat count as tank boat already? Should call as 'Gun boat'. laugh.gif
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suka dia org.. boat plane ke, tank plane ke, boat car ke.. janji indon bahagia.. anyone tried out such a platform before? i wonder how accurate is the gun while on water..

QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 17 2016, 01:05 PM)
A much larger joint exercise involving TNI-AD, TNI-AU and TNI-AL "Latihan Pasukan Pemukul Reaksi Cepat (PPRC)" is scheduled also in Natuna on November 19th.
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integrated force.. indons are getting smarter... their konstrad seems to be well trained

QUOTE(bereev @ Nov 17 2016, 03:17 PM)
resupply port  unsure.gif
welcome Russian fleet to pump petrol and get refreshment  rclxms.gif
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the last time a ruski vessl berth and was stranded at indon port near kalimantan due to demurrage issues.. 18 of the 40 crew died after bringing on board moonlighted drinks laced with industrial alcohol.. noone expected them to drink so much

QUOTE(mcnoodle @ Nov 17 2016, 03:31 PM)
It will likely turn out to be the 1st military foothold in SEA for the PRC.
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hidup prc!!! msia boleh serbis byk byk.. syukur myr jatuh..

QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Nov 17 2016, 04:02 PM)
lol at standing soldier expression.  laugh.gif
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i think he shit in his pants laughing laugh.gif
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post Nov 17 2016, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Nov 17 2016, 01:51 PM)
hahaha! mitsubasi sucks!
then again, that's the beauty of 8x8, lose one tyre oso no problem.
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Nov 17 2016, 02:02 PM)
lol at standing soldier expression.  laugh.gif
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Watch out....can happen to AV8...and yes, Badak too
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 17 2016, 02:53 PM)
suka dia org.. boat plane ke, tank plane ke, boat car ke.. janji indon bahagia.. anyone tried out such a platform before? i wonder how accurate is the gun while on water..
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Just like tank on land, if the gun is fully stabilized then it should be pretty accurate.

This reminds me of the Soviet WW2 river gunboats. To simplify production, they simply installed tank turrets onto armored hulls to patrol the riverways of Russia.

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post Nov 17 2016, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 17 2016, 03:22 PM)
Just like tank on land, if the gun is fully stabilized then it should be pretty accurate.

This reminds me of the Soviet WW2 river gunboats. To simplify production, they simply installed tank turrets onto armored hulls to patrol the riverways of Russia.

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Russia still uses gunboat Project 1204 Shmel with PT-76 turret of the Caspian Flotilla.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Flotilla

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