are you referring to the 2nd hand french training sub that rmn got for free that is now a tourist attraction in melaka?

This post has been edited by DDG_Ross: Feb 7 2017, 02:44 AM

Doesn't the public have the right to know what they are payijg for? Nobody is asking for top secret stuff, only routine information about actual asset use which any real enemy would already know.

No, it is not enough. Msia must have better disclosure than that. Do you think the US for example considers it a major intelligence weakness that the general status of its carriers is easily available on the Internet? No, it is simply being accountable to the public.

http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html

The people who actually pay for the carriers are being given the assurance that the assets are actually in use, have the capabilities paid for and able to meet the required defence parameters. If the ATM/Mindef wants to be taken seriously, they should also strive to be as open and forthcoming without the usual current situation where almost everything is kept hush hush whether or not it is a real threat. And if Mindef is more open about what Msia's security needs are and has less of a history of corrupt spending and lousy purchasing decisions, only then will it stand a chance of being seen in the public eye as anything more than a crony-feeding dictator's toy army.

But thats the general level of governance in Msia anyway, as was showcased to the world in MH 370 incident: don't ask questions, trust the word of your lord and masters while we cover up the shortfalls.

I don't know. I'm not talking about the Scorpenes. Is that what happened to it?
Will have to see it next time I'm in Melaka.

Combat readiness is a sensitiveness issue la bro, cuba tanya US nuclear subs dia brapa tersadai kat port dan brapa operational ready tengok dia jawab ke tak!
but then again

When the first issue upraises the former Chief of Navy has clarified the issue
again when the issues is fix the former CN made a statement
the question is, do you paid attention to the statement?

then its the agosta ouessant not sure why you didnt know whats it doing now since its already widely covered by the media back in 2011

http://ww1.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...an&pg=ws_04.htm

good time to go now that they ady got a new coat of paint on the exhibition submarine piece

aircraft carrier movement is a show of force while submarine movement is a deterrent force
deswai you can get the carrier movement info on the internet but not on the submarine movement

its discrete for a reason also multiple foreign armed naval forces ady comes to our shore to train with our submarine force
that shows the confidence on international level that they got for our submarine capability and training

also recently the mv mega bakti rescue vessel which is part of our submarine force got certification for us naval submarine rescue ops
which means the vessel is certified and capable for rescue ops on any usn submarine in the region which only sgpore and msia got the cert

This post has been edited by DDG_Ross: Feb 7 2017, 04:14 AM

Readiness is also part of the military secrecy la bodoh.
tak pernah dengar pasal Combat Readiness ke?
every nation will maintain and tell the world that their defense is in a top level of readiness
but behind the scene only the military knows

Kalau semua kapal terbang duduk kat tarmac tapi rosak untuk show of force
musuh tak akan tahu kapal terbang tu rosak

nak sangat aku jumpa ko, pasal aku nak sangat bertumbuk dengan kau
berani tak atau mak kau hijau?

I accept that submarine ops by nature is particularly sensitive. However, do you think if I ask how many of our corvettes are ready, and how ready they are, I will get a straight answer?
Or if I ask how many of our armoured vehicles are fully-functioning?
Or if I ask how many of our infantry battalions are actually fully-manned and fully-equipped to BIS standard?
Or what are the factors in ATM's future defence planning?

I'm aware both Scorpenes are supposed to be operational. I'm talking about Msian-style "secrecy" in general.

Nice pic, thanks.

I was aware it was no longer in use since both Scorpenes are now operational. I think the issue has come up here before. But I was making a general point.

For reference, this is the kind of report other countries can come up with, providing information which the public should know about how their tax dollars (pounds) are being used. Does anybody think SUPER-SENSITIVE TOPPEST SECRET INFORMASI is being leaked here? No. But it is useful to the people who actually pay for the stuff.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...version__2_.pdf

And this is the kind of readiness information which is allowed to be shared. Not too detailed, nor is it information which would be very useful to an enemy (whose spies would already have known in real time during the incident) but useful for the public to know whether the armed forces are doing their job, or slacking off under the guise of "combat readiness military secrecy"...

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publicat...16-10-10/47824/

corvettes are ready, and how ready they are, I will get a straight answer?
No
Or if I ask how many of our armoured vehicles are fully-functioning?
No
Or if I ask how many of our infantry battalions are actually fully-manned and fully-equipped to BIS standard?
No

Or what are the factors in ATM's future defence planning?
Hishamuddin will answer "Bergantung kepada budget"


I've seen journalist question been shot down by US forces reps during media briefing here in Malaysia when they ask how many of the C130 participate in the exercise will actually participate.

it's a freaking exercise and they still numb about the plane participation only disclose the number of asset involve in the exercise prior in the media fact sheet distributed earlier.
Did that US guy practice Msian-style "secrecy" too?

youre just too lazy to google it arent you

No, because it's still a better answer than we usually get. Do our Msian exercises freely disclose exactly how many of what is allocated for use?

The information does not have to be real time. Maybe it can come 1 month later, or 2 months, or half a year - that will make it much less useful for any enemy spies, and yet provides *some* information to us.

As if Mindef will ever give us anything like this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...ations_2016.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...lity_Report.pdf

eh, I consider it abit cheating to google just for the sake of "proving" I know it

but I knew it was not in use. has been mentioned before here, and elsewhere... Mkini if I'm not wrong.

About ships berth together?
That is all about?

Right now I can say there is 2 kedah class in Kuantan Naval Base, 2 Perdana class docking at the port?
what's seems to be the problem?

The combat readiness here is whether both of the Kedah class are fit to sail
is they A gun functional or are the ship CMS have been infected by ransomware

even when one of the RMN subs gone to the dry-dock for schedule maintenance the media was informed and some of interested media do some coverage as it is a very rare occasion

There are also announcements available about deployments and sailing times, OSD dates for all but the most sensitive hardware and equipment and key milestones in procurement e.g. F-35 program.

Mindef is giving nowhere near that level of accountability and transparency, stop trying to pretend it is.

DDG_Ross *googles* I'm not wrong

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/191037

"Kapal selam berkenaan yang merupakan platform latihan bawah permukaan air bagi krew-krew pelatih TLDM sebelum mengoperasikan kapal selam konvensional sebenar kelas Perdana Menteri kini diabadikan sebagai muzium di kompleks Muzium Maritim, Klebang di Melaka."

well there you go the power of googling is just at the tip for yer fingers

giving none or none are bother asking?
asking the right way to be more precise.

those are routine, periodic, official publications not responses to specific requests.

right now me and my office are working quite close with the mindef PR department
I am sure they would be happy to answer any question that are forwarded to them
like I said, the right way via proper channel

This post has been edited by atreyuangel: Feb 7 2017, 05:07 AM

Aik..last time kata mau jadi malaysian spy kat SAF..mau join NS...put SAF orbat here la..share kawan2...can?

This post has been edited by periuk_api1209: Feb 7 2017, 07:57 AM

Agree...

Honestly i find it sad that people still believe the FUD spread by Guan Eng... The navy actually took LGE on a dive and after that he retracted his previous statements and praised the boys for a job well done.