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Financial MRTA vs MLTA vs Term Plus..., whatever they call it

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onnying88
post Sep 15 2009, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(gavin_lim @ Sep 14 2009, 06:13 PM)
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Sorry that I didn't read the previous posts. In fact I didn't mean to post so much things at here also. Now I just realise I shouldn't say not to recommend MLTA, but I should have say not to take any MLTA that has a saving component. Does it correct my sentence? Or how should I say to make it clear?

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From the example you given, I feel something not quite right. From your previous post you said your MLTA has a return of RM63579 after 30 years (4.5%p.a compound interest rate from calculation). Then your last post says RM49776 after 25 years (5%p.a compound interest from calculation). Why compound interest rate for 30years is less than 25years? Do you mind refer back your quotation? RM49776 has a compound interest of 5%p.a (which is higher than 4.85%p.a for the loan), of course you can see some profit here.

Second, is this a participating policy or non-participating policy? If this is a participating policy, remember that the return is non-guaranteed. It could be more or be less as well. Hope that the value you provided above is not from the scenario with the higher return (which is not likely to be happened in most of the time).

Third, You may be right. Current loan with BLR-X% is much cheaper than fixed rate home loan. The reason is simple, you take the risk of BLR, therefore bank offer you a cheaper rate at the moment. However, don't forget BLR will fluctuate. If BLR going up you're going to pay more money for the interest and your loan tenure will be extended. If you prefer to take the loan with BLR-X% and you believe BLR will stay below 7% for the rest of your loan tenure, you can just go ahead.
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The MLTA surrender value at 25years and 30years is correct and it's Black & White Guaranteed. Different years have different value. It's not base on any % of interest for the surrender value.

I do agree that BLR will fluctuate and 100% not going to stay as low as current rates. But since it's historical low interest for now, why not we enjoy the benefit of the cheap interest now? We can always refinance in the future. smile.gif
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post Sep 15 2009, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(gavin_lim @ Sep 14 2009, 06:13 PM)
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Sorry that I didn't read the previous posts. In fact I didn't mean to post so much things at here also. Now I just realise I shouldn't say not to recommend MLTA, but I should have say not to take any MLTA that has a saving component. Does it correct my sentence? Or how should I say to make it clear?
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post Sep 15 2009, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(onnying88 @ Sep 15 2009, 02:14 AM)
The MLTA surrender value at 25years and 30years is correct and it's Black & White Guaranteed. Different years have different value. It's not base on any % of interest for the surrender value.

I do agree that BLR will fluctuate and 100% not going to stay as low as current rates. But since it's historical low interest for now, why not we enjoy the benefit of the cheap interest now? We can always refinance in the future. smile.gif
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Yes, you can always do a refinance later, but are you sure you can get a rate that is lower than current rate? Moreover, refinance involving cost and it will always increase your outstanding. Whether it can save your interest is unknown.
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post Sep 15 2009, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(gavin_lim @ Sep 15 2009, 11:54 AM)
Yes, you can always do a refinance later, but are you sure you can get a rate that is lower than current rate? Moreover, refinance involving cost and it will always increase your outstanding. Whether it can save your interest is unknown.
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Of cause it wouldn't be lower then current rate, that's why, why we dont enjoy the low rate we can get for now? But even you using fixed rate now, a lot of people already refinance the loan within few year time for many reason. Refinance later to fixed rate loan if you worry about the high rate.Of cause fixed rate also rise that time. Why pay for higher interest with fixed rate from starting while you can get for much lower rate?

Well different people have different point of view. Some people are not risk taker and will prefer for somethings that they know for the future, in this case Fixed rate loan. There is pros and cons about both type of loan. So it's totally up to the personal smile.gif
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post Oct 6 2009, 02:56 PM

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Put is short and clear,
MRTA and MLTA plays a same role, to cover for the debt in case death or TPD occurs.
MRTA needs a lower contribution than MLTA.
But MRTA is generally nontransferable, and it has zero value when your debt been cleared, and if you wanna surrender it, its value is getting lesser each year.
For MLTA, the opposite is true.

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post Oct 6 2009, 06:22 PM

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Dear all, is OCBC's MRTA ROP = MLTA? I was quote for the premium of RM30K, and can get back full amount or more upon maturity, thank you
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post Oct 12 2009, 10:48 AM

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guys, if the bank set MRTA as a compulsary.

lets say i have a life insurance that can cover the actual loan amount, can i take my life insurance to replace MRTA?

i'm not really sure bout this thing, i jst heard some ppl do it that way.
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post Dec 28 2009, 02:44 AM

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Hmm...to me, LifeInsurance is better option than MRTA in terms making sure that when something happen to me (death, tpd - touch wood~), the property that I bought is still can be left* to my love 1...without burdening them to pay off the balance money I owe the bank (the loan).

Lets said the property that I bought is 200k, and the bank loan amount is 150k, all I need to make sure is my life insurance is at least double the amount of the loan amount (the more the better). So when I "not in this world" anymore, my love 1 still got 1 lump sum of money, in which he/she can decide by herself whether want to use it to pay the bank loan or not...so he/she can own the property. At least he/she got a choice...(on how to use the money).

Anyway, just some few senzzz from me,

Cheers.
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QUOTE(areankim @ Oct 12 2009, 10:48 AM)
guys, if the bank set MRTA as a compulsary.

lets say i have a life insurance that can cover the actual loan amount, can i take my life insurance to replace MRTA?

i'm not really sure bout this thing, i jst heard some ppl do it that way.
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Actually MLTA is Life insurance (just insurance company use another name to confuse consumer).....
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post Jan 9 2010, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 9 2010, 06:30 AM)
Actually MLTA is Life insurance (just insurance company use another name to confuse consumer).....
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You should not use confuse this word, MLTA purpose is to cover your mortgage loan. Not to be as family fund as normal life insurance function. That's why it's better to have another name for it. When you buy any life insurance to cover your mortgage loan debt, you can call it MLTA already. I didn't see any problem not to use another name for it as you use it as different purpose.

This post has been edited by onnying88: Jan 9 2010, 01:11 PM
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post Jan 24 2010, 01:13 AM

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just want to confirm, mrta also covers tpd?
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post Mar 6 2010, 04:25 PM

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The MLTA without return has cover death, TPD, 36 illness? Estimated how much per month for 28 & 200k sum assured?

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post Mar 7 2010, 04:04 AM

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QUOTE(HappyGuy @ Mar 6 2010, 04:25 PM)
The MLTA without return has cover death, TPD, 36 illness? Estimated how much per month for 28 & 200k sum assured?
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For MLTA without surrender value at age 28, 30years tenure, and 200k sum assured (cover for death and TPD only)
Monthly premium = RM64.40
Yearly Prerium = RM736.00

To add 36 illness, (RM200k will pay to you if you get any 36 illness)
Monthly Premium add RM44.28
Yearly Premium add RM506.00

Anymore enquries about MLTA feel free to pm me. I'll be glad to offer you the best MLTA that suit your needs and budget. smile.gif

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post Mar 7 2010, 05:36 PM

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Hi Guys, need your opinion on this.... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Condo Price : RM 425,000.00
Loan : RM 382,500.00
MLTA Coverage: RM 400,000.00 (TPD / Death)
Rider : RM 400,000.00 (36 Critical Illness)-can claim up to 3 times (RM 1.2 mil coverage)
Funds : 60% High Risk fund & 40% Low Risk fund
Monthly Loan : about RM 1,900.00
Monthly MLTA : about RM 310.00


Wat do u guys think...? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(one3rd @ Mar 7 2010, 05:36 PM)
Hi Guys, need your opinion on this.... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

Condo Price    : RM 425,000.00
Loan                : RM 382,500.00
MLTA Coverage: RM 400,000.00 (TPD / Death)
Rider              : RM 400,000.00 (36 Critical Illness)-can claim up to 3 times (RM 1.2 mil coverage)
Funds              : 60% High Risk fund & 40% Low Risk fund
Monthly Loan    : about RM 1,900.00
Monthly MLTA  : about RM 310.00


Wat do u guys think...? notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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post Mar 7 2010, 06:57 PM

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hello mr one3rd, please check your inbox, i have pm you =)
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post Mar 7 2010, 09:32 PM

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Any other opinion from dear forumer...?
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post Mar 12 2010, 06:56 PM

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read first 2 pages, but would like to understand one more thing. Does MRTA cover for sickness/illness beside the death & TPD?
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post Mar 12 2010, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Mar 12 2010, 06:56 PM)
read first 2 pages, but would like to understand one more thing. Does MRTA cover for sickness/illness beside the death & TPD?
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MRTA only cover for Death and TPD. But some MRTA can give option to add in Critical Illness rider.
If you interested to know more about MRTA or MLTA, or would like to have some quotation, feel free to pm me your D.O.B, loan amount and tenure. smile.gif

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