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 Maybank eGIA-i 3.45% p.a., Rojak of SA + FD + MMF

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Nom-el
post Nov 9 2016, 06:54 PM

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Finally, a dedicated thread for GIA-i. Already 4 pages after only 2 days. Well done, AIYH. rclxms.gif Thanks for sharing my blog article as well.

One thing about GIA-i, you won't only risk losing your capital if Maybank goes bankrupt. It can happen too if the investment is losing money. The risk is very low though as the money is invested by Maybank in providing loans to its customers. It has not happened before so far, just to want to highlight it here to clarify any doubt. As for risk level, I would say the risk is lower than money market funds and bond funds but higher than FD / CASA (even those without PIDM protection from institutions like Bank Rakyat, MBSB etc. because the principal & interest are guaranteed by those institutions, only not insured by PIDM).

I think it is important to calculate the profit / interest to ensure we are getting the rate we assume we are getting. That way, we will know if the rate dropped or if we lost any capital. If you see the amount you get is less than initial amount, then & only then, you should start to worry if Maybank is really in trouble. Then, can decide if want to continue with it or not. But, so far, so good.
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post Dec 2 2016, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Area51SE @ Dec 1 2016, 05:59 PM)
5 months , 3.1%
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It depends on when you do the upliftment.

Less than 3 months - no profit will be paid

Above 3 months - 50% of total profit amount accrued will be paid


QUOTE(kenlui @ Dec 1 2016, 07:15 PM)
Thanks for replying.

Was bit worried with the PIDM oart initially but I guess since it's short term placement doesnt really matter. And besides that, my deposit is nothing compared to those 6 figures amount.

Just wondering maybank wont stop this GIA thing as we are like misusing it by uplifting prior to maturation?
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It is actually a feature of the product, one of its selling points compared to FD. So early upliftment cannot be considered as misusing it.
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post May 12 2017, 04:24 PM

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Bank Islam has a product very similar to Maybank GIA-i called Wafiyah Investment Account. The indicative rates p.a. are: -

1 Month - 3.50%
3 Months - 3.60%
6 Months - 3.70%

More info:
http://www.bankislam.com.my/home/personal-...oducts/wafiyah/


Anyone here with experience on this account?

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post May 27 2017, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 26 2017, 10:37 PM)
Fro eGia-i replacement
1) FSM CMF
2) OCBC 360 (deposit RM500/month + pay 3 bills using OCBC and get 2.9%pa)
3) UOB eAccount (only good for RM20k above as RM20k above give you 3.08%pa and UOB give free IBFT)
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UOB recently revised their rate for eAccount, now more than 50k only can get 3.08%.


QUOTE(cybpsych @ May 27 2017, 09:11 AM)
i would still put for 1mth or 2mth tenure placement, due to convenience specifically.

this revision just killed the flexibility on withdrawal  vmad.gif

rate still good at 3.00% indicate rate, for small-ish amount below RM10k. even mbb's conventional efd rate is not that high either.

i'm lazy to jump to other banks with traditional FD promo.
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Maybank's Islamic FD (NOT GIA-i) used to offer 0.1% higher than conventional FD, however, they are now the same for both.


QUOTE(Dividend Magic @ May 27 2017, 09:17 AM)
Yea better in the sense that 0.5% for PIDM protection.

I'm looking at premier/priority banking soon to see if they have better alternatives to this GIA-i. Any recommendations?
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Actually the difference is only 0.05%.


As for premier banking, there is the OCBC Premier Save Account: -

3.6% p.a. - 200k & above (current promo)
3.1% p.a. - 200k & above (board rate)
1% p.a. - less than 200k

QUOTE(cklimm @ May 27 2017, 03:13 PM)
Seems like party is over, I will put bulk of the liquid cash in FSM eastspring;
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...me-Fund-MYESIIF

and the rest for daily spending in OCBC 360
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Are you aware that OCBC also revised their T&Cs for OCBC 360?

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post May 28 2017, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ May 27 2017, 07:25 PM)
Wow, more details?
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ May 27 2017, 09:51 PM)
They are the same. The requirements to get the bonus interest are exactly the same. Nothing has changed.
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I have posted about the changes in the OCBC 360 thread. I guess not many people saw it there, so here it goes: -

QUOTE(Nom-el @ May 23 2017, 01:48 PM)
OCBC has revised the terms & conditions for OCBC 360 Account: -

https://www.ocbc.com.my/assets/pdf/Accounts...1115_ACC360.pdf
Among the highlights are: -

1) Credit card bill payment is no longer considered as eligible for Bill Payment category for Bonus Interest

2) Multiple payments to the same account will be considered 1 payment only, meaning split payment does not work anymore

3) IBG payment to other banks will be included as well in Bill Payment category

4) Minimum balance is RM0 now instead of RM20. However, account with RM0 balance for more than 90 days will be closed.
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post May 29 2017, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ May 28 2017, 06:07 PM)
Noted with thanks. I was not aware the changes come by the removal of OCBC credit card bill payment and so on. So it means the loophole is now closed too. I am still using the OCBC Titanium MasterCard to buy KLIA Express tickets every month to get the 20% discount and had always made 3 split payments to the same credit card account to get the bonus interest for bill payment. I guess that no longer works now. Good thing they now consider IBG to other banks as bill payment but might have to look for alternatives again when the free MEPS instant transfer ends.
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You are welcome. I have also been making 3 split payments to the same credit card account to get the bonus interest as well. Now need to find other ways to get the bonus interest. IBG payment to other banks' CC or loan account is considered bill payment. Not sure if IBG to other banks' CASA is considered as bill payment or not. Is IBFT included as well? hmm.gif


QUOTE(heybai @ May 28 2017, 11:36 PM)
So, GIA is not a product with flexibility anymore, anyone else has recommendation for similar products? (even with lower rate)
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Can consider Bank Islam's Wafiyah Investment Account. The rates are even higher. I shared it here before: -


QUOTE(Nom-el @ May 12 2017, 04:24 PM)
Bank Islam has a product very similar to Maybank GIA-i called Wafiyah Investment Account. The indicative rates p.a. are: -

1 Month - 3.50%
3 Months - 3.60%
6 Months - 3.70%

More info:
http://www.bankislam.com.my/home/personal-...oducts/wafiyah/
Anyone here with experience on this account?
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post Jun 8 2017, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ May 29 2017, 08:11 PM)
From my understanding it includes interbank transfer to CASA as bill payment too. I have done multiple interbank transfer using IBFT since the beginning of this month from my OCBC 360 account since the start of the free Instant Transfer. We should know the result in a few days time.
This is indeed like Maybank GIA. Can we do everything online though ?
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Have you checked your bonus interest for OCBC 360? Does IBFT count as bill payment?

For people who do not have any credit card or not eligible to apply for one, can consider OCBC 360-i Account (islamic version of OCBC 360 account). Can get up to 4.1% p.a. if fulfill all the conditions. Instead of spending RM500 on credit card, one needs to spend RM500 on debit card to get the bonus interest of 1.2%.


QUOTE(jfleong @ Jun 5 2017, 10:48 AM)
It's supposed to be 1k right?
10k is only for the promo, right?
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It's supposed to be 1k only according to the website but for some reason, the system will only allow min. 10k placement. 1k placement only valid for 2-12 months placement. Can still try to place for 12 months to get 3.25% p.a. after 16/6. I believe can still withdraw without penalty if placed before 1/8.


QUOTE(dasecret @ Jun 5 2017, 11:05 AM)
It's a bit naive to think there would be a bank run that could hurt the bank immediately for something like this

Actually Maybank's announcement ahead of time serves a few purposes
- Good transparency and disclosure - no one can condemn they just change policy overnight even if they have the legal right to do so
- budget and plan their cashflow accordingly. Do you think they would make such announcement if they need this money desperately? Just like FD promos, they have promos because they need the funds. When they don't need, they don't do promo lor.
- So they already anticipate a mass withdrawal; but the policy made it still attractive to depositors to make placements prior to 1 August and only take out when the cashflow need arise. So really, I don't foresee a big bank run until or unless another bank introduce a similar product with the same accessibility. Maybank2U after all is a very superior and popular product within msia consumer banking segment, not many banks can compete in that sense

There's some very good strategists in Maybank I must say  notworthy.gif
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Actually, banks are required to disclose any changes to their T&Cs with 21 days prior notice. I do not know if it is a BNM requirement or industry standard but most banks would follow this practice.


QUOTE(Nemozai @ Jun 7 2017, 09:30 PM)
I believe best choice is Eastspring Investments Islamic Income Fund, but minimum deposit is RM 10000
Second would be Pacific Cash Fund, but T+5.
Third would be RHB Money Market Fund.
Fourth would be RHB Cash Management Fund 2.

Third and fourth is good choice.  icon_idea.gif
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Other good options to consider: -

i) Affin Hwang Aiiman Money Market - min 5k, last year's return 4.xx%
ii) KAF Money Market Fund - min 1k

These two funds are not available through Fundsupermart but can be purchased through eUnitTrust.

Do note that not all money market funds are exactly alike. Some only invest in bank deposits like RHB Cash Management Fund 2, while others like Pacific Cash Fund invest heavily into short-term bonds. Hence the return and volatility would be different among them.


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 7 2017, 10:43 PM)
Well official inflation is always lower than % increase in cost of living. However official inflation spike to 5.1% in March. Not sure what's the rate for April. So you can imagine % increase in cost of living.
From eUT page, annualised performance seem to be poor at 1-2%. Am I missing something?
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Pacific Master Money Market Fund is a fixed price fund, so the NAV would not change at all. The distribution is on a monthly basis. In this case, the distribution really matters cause that is the return of the fund. I think this is the closest equivalent to GIA as far as money market funds are concerned. You put the money there, at the end of the calendar month, you get the distribution (equivalent to profit). Unlike GIA though, you will not get the profit immediately upon withdrawal.

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post Jun 10 2017, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(jfleong @ Jun 8 2017, 05:16 PM)
Will check it out. For the 360-i right, can open at any branch? Or just branches with Al-Amin ?
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Can open at any branch, OCBC Bank or Al-Amin.


QUOTE(drew86 @ Jun 8 2017, 06:03 PM)
What happens if you withdraw mid-month? Will you still get the pro-rated distribution?
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That is a good question. I am not sure about that as I am unaware how the distribution will be calculated.

According to the Prospectus: -

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Where a Unitholder requests for a full redemption on his investment in PMMMF within the month, any income distribution subsequently declared will be automatically paid out to the Unitholder on the first working day of the following month. Under such circumstances, the Unitholder must provide his bank account number and the bank’s name to facilitate banking of the income distribution cheque to his bank account.


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post Jun 12 2017, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Jun 10 2017, 03:12 PM)
Dude, any updates on yr site? Miss yr financial insight leh
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Thanks for your support. Have been really busy, so no time to update the site. Will update it when time permits.


QUOTE(drew86 @ Jun 12 2017, 07:53 AM)
Thanks! Just tested it. Will report come July 3rd
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Do share the outcome. Thanks.

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post Jun 17 2017, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Jun 16 2017, 05:20 PM)
unker now trying HLB pay and save
place 100k above +1.3%,
did 15 ibgs +1.9%
each swipe of debit card +0.12%

https://www.hlb.com.my/main/personal/pay-and-save-account
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 17 2017, 02:20 PM)
Only if put RM100k. if RM10k like that, OCBC win. Besides haven't count cost of IBG of HLB.
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Some tips for HLB Pay & Save, FPX transactions are also counted as E-payment. Can use it to top up ASNB funds or purchase UT online for e.g. So, no need to pay for the IBG fees. smile.gif
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post Jun 17 2017, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 17 2017, 03:12 PM)
If one have RM10k only, OCBC can give 2.9% vs 1.9% by HLB. After all, one can theoretically pay RM0.01 of bill via OCBC (no mention of min amount)
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Actually, for HLB Pay & Save, it's 2.2% (1.9% + 0.3%) for more than 5k. It's still less than OCBC 360 though.
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post Jul 6 2017, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(red_scorpion @ Jul 4 2017, 01:27 PM)
Yeah I know it is useless..but the rm500 insurance payment you won't get much reward from other cc also..which cc reward insurance payment? Max also 1% which is rm5 per month..
But if you have 100k in ocbc 360 , u get extra 0.5%( treat as 4.1-3.6 assume you can get this from cmf) ..that extra 0.5% is 500 per year..rm40 per month.. so you earn extra rm40 lost rm5..somemore you enjoy the flexibility of withdraw ur money anytime..you can instant transfer any time ..
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I agree, can even withdraw from ATM anytime you need the money. If have 200k, can consider getting both OCBC 360 Account & OCBC 360 Account-i. But need to spend another RM500 on debit card-i (to get the maximum interest rate).


QUOTE(drew86 @ Jul 4 2017, 08:25 PM)
Update: As expected, pro-rated interest received at the beginning of the following month.
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Good to know that. What if we withdraw / sell everything before the following month, the interest would be credited to the savings account then?
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post Oct 18 2017, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(poor man @ Oct 17 2017, 10:50 PM)
uob change e account Rates
Revision of eAccount Interest Rates (effective 19 October 2017)
Above / Melebihi RM50,000  3.60%
http://www1.uob.com.my/personal/announcement.page
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QUOTE(lookie @ Oct 18 2017, 04:20 PM)
Thanks for this. Good news!
Even better than Gia 60m at 3.55%
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Great news indeed. thumbup.gif For those with balance above 50k, it is even better than money market funds like PMMMF & RHB CMF 2 & Bank Islam's Wafiyah Investment Account.
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post Apr 3 2018, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(sl3ge @ Mar 15 2018, 06:56 PM)
Hi bro,
Philip money market is it 3.5pa and will pay interest if i take up anytime?

And where can i buy philip money market.
Thanks alot
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 15 2018, 08:04 PM)
It's 3.5p.a.  Not per month.  Not sure about payout as I haven't have time to test it out.

Eunittrust.com.my
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The latest rate is 3.68% or 3.69% p.a. Do note however that the rate is not fixed or guaranteed. You will only know about it when they declare the distribution the following month.
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post Jul 22 2018, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(fairylord @ Jul 22 2018, 02:16 PM)
Thank you boss.

So if i were to put in less than RM5k, i will only enjoy 3.2% p.a. and i can withdraw anytime earlier (says 20 days) but still enjoy the 3.2% p.a. based on total day (20 days) i have put in?

So if i put in RM5k or above, is that mean better to go for RM60 mths to gain 3.7% p.a, if i withdraw anytime earlier (says 20days) but i still enjoy 3.7% p.a. based on total day (20days) i have put in?

Thank again.
both not under PIDM, right?
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No, that was the case a few years back. Not anymore. Starting from 1/8/2018, the ability to get profit based on number of days only applies to 1 month placement. For all other tenures, you must complete it to get the profit, meaning not based on number of days completed. So need min. 5k to enjoy the flexibility.


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 22 2018, 02:48 PM)
PIDM won't really be an issue to me as the underlying asset is basically FD.
Another reason is PIDM only cover when banks go broke.
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For GIA-i, the underlying asset is loan to Maybanks' customers (retail financing).

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post Aug 31 2018, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Aug 29 2018, 11:09 PM)
For the smallest placement amount of RM 1000, the longest e-GIA tenure is 14 months.

Since the feature of daily withdrawal without forfeiting profit was removed on August 2017, many of us here placed RM 1000 e-GIA with 14-month tenure around July 2017.

Sadly, these e-GIA will mature around September 2018. Once these e-GIA placements are renewed around September 2018, the feature of daily withdrawal without forfeiting profit for these renewed placements is removed.

Judging in terms of almost equivalent liquidity and interest rate, I have to move the funds from matured e-GIA, to Phillip Master Money Market Fund. Sigh, there is no other option. sad.gif
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Actually, there is another option. It is Phillip Master Islamic Cash Fund (PMICF). It works almost the same as PMMMF but it invests in Shariah-compliant instruments. The unit price is fixed at RM1.00 though instead of RM0.50 for PMMMF.

 

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