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post Mar 4 2017, 12:13 PM

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Rebranding is a necessary step to Fine Wine. tongue.gif

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post Apr 3 2017, 09:00 PM

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Great video, answered many of my questions about Radeon "poor CPU/driver overhead".


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post Apr 10 2017, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 10 2017, 01:09 AM)
Hmmm, AMD Vega boasts significant performance increase

http://wccftech.com/vega-teaser-slides-leak-nda/
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That's a bold claim. Will it live up to the hype?
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post Apr 11 2017, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(cipan2001 @ Apr 10 2017, 05:19 PM)
Guys, I just recently purchase LG 29UM67-P. This is Ultrawide monitor with resolution 2560 x 1080 .

Planning to upgrade my current GC.. Which one the best value Rx 470 or R9 380 ?
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For that res 470 is minimum imo.
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post Apr 11 2017, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(cipan2001 @ Apr 11 2017, 01:51 PM)
Yeah.. thats good advice.

From several news I read,  Rx 570 will be much more power efficiency compare to Rx 470. TDP will be lower with higher performance compare to Rx 470.
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Most probably like series, 290/290x to 390/390x.
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post Apr 13 2017, 09:09 AM

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Pretty affordable Freesync monitors.

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post Apr 14 2017, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Apr 14 2017, 08:58 PM)
hi guys, just to inquire about something. im torn between rx 480 8gb vs rx 580 4gb as both prices are quite similar. which one is a better buy? rclxub.gif
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Which 480 8GB? Lousy cooler or good one?

580 is most likely like what the 390 did to the 290. Better BIOS, better memory chip, tighter memory timing, slightly lower power consumption(or higher depend on BIOS).
If you're going to keep it for many years i suggest grab the 8GB model.
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post Apr 15 2017, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Apr 14 2017, 11:55 PM)
Sapphire nitro+ 480 8gb to be exact. dont think im topping up for the 8gb on rx 580. so for now just rx 480 8gb vs rx 580 4gb (both from sapphire nitro+)
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Wait for user review if you that slightly more performance really matters to you.

QUOTE(acapniamaxtor @ Apr 15 2017, 12:29 AM)
im using msi rx480 gaming x 8gb. bought it bcoz all stock finish for the 4gb version. played saveral games the division,witcher 3,bf1, watchdog,gtav in 1080p. vram usage max 3.5gb~4gb. almost never hit more than 4. smile.gif
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What about next year? or year after that? tongue.gif
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post Apr 15 2017, 01:30 AM

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Btw, Crimson 17.4.2 released couple of days ago to support Window 10 Creator Update.

There's a rumor about a new Turbo V-sync option which is equivalent to Nvidia's Fastsync, interesting.
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post Apr 15 2017, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(silrave @ Apr 15 2017, 02:07 AM)
but i checked the rx 480 price
omg
almost 13xx > <
i think i just can aim rm 3xx gc lol XD
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Bought my 290x for RM 1.1k new in early 2015 and now you get similar performance for more money. thumbsup.gif xD
Ty supreme leader.
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post Apr 15 2017, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Apr 15 2017, 10:00 AM)
Slight performance doesn't really matter much to me but power consumption better hardware parts maybe? On the rx 580 are what I'm looking for. Read some where that it reduce consumption. Rx 480 about 225 and rx 580 about 150 ( same as gtx 1060)
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Another thing that RX580 will improve is on some part that lacks on RX480 like inferior VRMs in Power Color RX480. They improved it in RX580 version and Gigabyte Aorus RX580 looks much better compare to their RX480 G1 Gaming and i think it will perform like other brand premium line.

AMD card power consumption varies depend on BIOS and chip binning while Nvidia cards depend on BIOS/board power limit and GPU Boost 3.0, usually power limit is similar on all card so these card will have similar power consumption while the final boost speed varies.

AMD RX 480
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Nvidia GTX 1060
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I can't comment on lower power consumption because i don't have any data on how much the chip will improve with process maturity on GloFo 14nm LPP.
It was insignificant on 390/390x refresh but that probably because TSMC 28nm already matured that time while GloFo/Samsung 14nm LPP is pretty new for GPU.
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post Apr 17 2017, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 16 2017, 09:35 PM)
Meh, Polaris doesn't need GPU clockspeed boost. It could use more memory bandwidth like using GDDR5X. RX 470 is close to RX 480 performance when the former using the same memory speed as the latter.
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Yup, iirc gain from memory OC is higher than gain with core OC in games. Another reason to get 8GB version because it come with 2000mhz memory and can be overclock higher compare to 4GB model that have 1750mhz.
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post Apr 19 2017, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(eDwanD @ Apr 18 2017, 10:47 PM)
RX580 just 5% performance incease than rx480... tdp higher and performance/watt increase, i thought can be better of tdp due to better vrm or power design? @@

Price is cheaper usd10 than previous lolz... Where's vega= =
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Better power design doesn't mean it will consume less power. tongue.gif

This is similar to 390/390x refresh. HardwareCanucks show the 580 perform kinda good though.
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post Apr 20 2017, 09:51 PM

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The clock speed is higher guys, also i read RX580 BIOSes is default core voltage at 1.2v? That is higher than RX480 BIOS, you can always undervolt it.
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post Apr 28 2017, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(munky @ Apr 28 2017, 03:25 PM)
mind explaining why it sucks?

im looking for an upgrade for my gtx770, and the rx580 price n specs look good, and one more thing because i just bought a monitor with amd freesync
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Card is great, price is bad, in Malaysia at least.

QUOTE(eDwanD @ Apr 28 2017, 03:36 PM)
RX580 only increasement 5% performance from rx480 by power consumption increase 20%.
In US, RX580 cheaper than RX480, in malaysia RX480 dropped RM50, but RX580 expensive than RX480 bout RM200.
Roughly RM150 to get an RX580 nitro+ (Best clock speed), better top up some to Fury X which better performance or go more to used/new GTX1070.

For a 2 years old tech which rebrand, its not worth at all ....
RX580 is about 60fps to current 1080p maximum setting, after 1 or 2 years? Can it still handle?

I will go to RX570 4gb RM960 which possible chance overclock better clock speed than rx480, which only 5% performance lower, if only willing targeting on current 1080p gaming.

In conculsion, RX580 not a real sweet point.
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Did you use aftermarket 480 for performance and reference 480 power consumption for comparison? laugh.gif
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post Apr 28 2017, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(eDwanD @ Apr 28 2017, 06:55 PM)
Aftermarket 480 is oc one, need hit 1440mhz very hard.
580 is oced 480, can hit nearly 1500mhz easily.
For this line rx480/rebranded rx580, increase bit of performance by consume much more power, in result, performance/watt drops.
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You said it consumed 20% more power, is that compared to reference 480 or from new 185w TDP of RX580 vs 150w 480?

From Toms review 580 Nitro power consumption is similar to 480 Nitro when gaming.
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Performance difference is larger when using game that actually optimized.
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This was against MSI RX-480 Armor OC clocked at @1300mhz, not crappy 480 with reference cooler.

Also like i mentioned before, RX580 default voltage is higher, you can always undervolt it.
I once downvolted my old 290x at -75mV while giving is a slight bump in core clock to 1060mhz(1040mhz) and memory clock to 1500mhz(1250mhz) while consumed less power compare to stock setting.

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post Apr 29 2017, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(eDwanD @ Apr 29 2017, 12:21 AM)
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This is from tweaktown (3D marks and Metro Light). Yours from tomshardware (gaming and tortune).
Tourtune test in tom's hardware result more power consumption than rx 480 nitro.

If tweaktown is true, 27w~37w increase just for a gpu is not a performace/watt choice. Anyway, the performace/watt oledi lose to gtx1060 long time ago @@

Who's right? I dunno  sweat.gif

If there's no increase of  power consumption, its great, actually, even there is increase of 30w average, wont hurt u tnb bill so much per year @@
If really willing for save tnb bill, just go to gtx 1060 @@
But still i wont happy, RM200 from nitro 480 to nitro 580, price increase 20% to get u 5% overall performance increase, 10% for game optimization.
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I prefer direct measurement instead of "total system". laugh.gif

Also i don't understand, they tested it with Ryzen R5-1600x?
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For our mid-range testing, we're shifting over to testing the cards on our AMD Ryzen 5 1600X system. It represents more real-world results compared to benchmarking them on the Core i7-7700K, especially when the Ryzen 5 1600X is priced at $100 cheaper than the 7700K, and offers 6C/12T of performance over the 4C/8T chip from Intel.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (6C/12T)
Cooler: AMD Wraith Cooler
MB: ASRock AB350 Gaming K4
RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) GEiL EVO X 3200MHz DDR4
SSD: 1TB OCZ RD400 NVMe M.2
PSU: be quiet! Dark Power 1200W
Chassis: In Win X-Frame


But at OC and Power page they said
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With the overclocked Polaris 20 core hitting 1505MHz in my testing, the SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 580 Nitro+ sitting on the Core i7-7700K system was using an average of 270W, while peaking at 290W.


And their Power Consumption graph show the card averaging(?) ~280watts at stock? with stock Ryzen R5-1600x system?
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But their Ryzen R5 review show R5-1600x system use similar power to i7-7700k system?
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They mentioned midrange card and adjust their test system for "midrange build" but wiling to waste their time to test on 4k, 5k and even 8k resolution when giving more insight about the card frame time performance at 1080p/1440p is more valuable info to viewers/readers.

IIRC, Toms torture test = Furmark and gaming test = Metro:LL@4K. Like i mentioned few pages back..
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AMD card power consumption varies depend on BIOS and chip binning
that's what i learnt when i'm still using 290x, i think it still apply to Polaris line up.
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post Apr 29 2017, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(eDwanD @ Apr 29 2017, 01:51 AM)
Agreed. But i need some explain, gaming in tom's is according to what game?
Because there is quiet weird that gaming maintain almost nothisng sifferent power consumption but the tortune which is benchmark give a noticeable different.
As common, i know that a benchamrk may push a gpu as hard as possible, is it possible that the power consumption under gaming in tomb's for game which not really gpu intensive?

Actually, is it worth to have a RX580? Its depends on different ppl different need, different choice.
I feel sucks, just because of improvement performace lightly from rebrand, consume more power if utilize?, the most i care is pricey more 20%

Just for my 2 cent of logical, i may getting a used/new GTX 1070 or RM1650 fury-x over a RM1550 nitro+ RX 580.
If i'm in condition of tight budget, why not i just choose better value of nitro pulse RX570 4gb which possible oc higher clock than rx480 by oc.

AMD card power consumption varies depend on BIOS and chip binning<- this doesnt apply to nvidia as well?
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Gaming = Metro:LL@4K
Torture = Furmark

Of course 580 will use more power in Furmark since it have higher clock speed and higher voltage, i think that model they tested run at 1450mhz.

Yeah the price sucks, bought my 980 Ti 10 months ago for RM1.6k new.

I don't think Nvidia binned their chip anymore since Pascal and BIOS power limit is higher on some higher end card but most of them have similar power limit, with GPU Boost 3.0 and good cooling all of them will consume similar power at max boost speed.

QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 29 2017, 01:53 AM)
RX 580 has no reference model, however I've used RX 480 reference model.

Power draw really is estimated to be around 20% increase.
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That's the thing, reference 480 got nerfed to fix the "PCIE power issue". Use aftermarket 480 then power consumption gap will narrow or diminish.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 29 2017, 02:37 PM)
I think you're missing the point, RX 480 was designed to be under 150W whether reference or custom, it's just that some custom models draw a little more.

RX 580 on the other hand was designed to be at 180W right from the start, whether reference or custom. However for RX 580 there is no reference design. smile.gif So meaning actual one (custom) will be drawing 180W onwards. Sapphire model comes with 2x PCI-E power connector.
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Am i? Who cares what the card power limit is design for, what matters is the real power consumption no?
Can you try run 580 vs 480 at similar clock speed and voltage? hmm.gif

In the end RX-580(Polaris 20) is the same RX-480(Polaris 10) but with improved manufacturing process so it could reach higher clock speed.

QUOTE(eDwanD @ Apr 29 2017, 02:39 PM)
I read a comment before, the comment is against something bout  a thread starter which stated that ati tflops > nvidia, its should better than nvidia => Game developer who didn't optimization is wrong.

The one who comment stated himself is one of big company game developer who if field about 20 years, admit ati is more future proof and futher tech than nvidia, but's the tflops better doesnt result better performance, due to many kind of problem, include coding which how to optimization performance of ati arch should be. Till today, they still in hard for optimization to get fully ati potential, but unfortunately, they still cannot handle well, even vulkan tech is still try getting optimization for gaming.

From analysis of several comment or review, i more to believe AMD got better arch and tech etc, hopefully their hardwork is granted, and make a real king which can compete Nvidia @@

Its kinda a sad that a gundam which more powerful but sucks OS installed XD
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I posted this awhile back, good video showing one of the reason why Nvidia card have stellar DX11 performance.



Another Nvidia secret sauce is Tiled Based Rendering which enabled since Maxwell, one of the reason why Kepler(700 series) got left behind in driver department.

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post Apr 29 2017, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(eDwanD @ Apr 29 2017, 09:21 PM)
Full load, 30w x24 x7 x52 = 262kW = 262 unit  = RM 78/12 = RM 6.50 per month = ayam burger double tambah cheese
Actually is nothing big dfferent of burden for full load 365 days XD

Just because there is better efficiency of nvidia, that's why will feel dissapointed.
But as video befoe, nvidia done a really right decision of archive efficiency.@@
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You mining coins? laugh.gif

I've used 150watts and 300watts card and my wallet barely feel anything when paying utility bill.

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