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antaras
post Dec 15 2022, 09:44 AM

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Actually are they even available here in MY? Still can't find any listing in Laz and Shop...?

*no wait... found the only one available
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post Dec 15 2022, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Dec 14 2022, 10:51 PM)
Those MSRP is always for US only, no tax iirc.
I'm actually surprise it cost Rm5.2k and not more. It was never a direct conversion from USD to MYR.
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Never will be the case. Direct conversion from USD MSRP doesn't work.
Final local pricing matter most. E.g actual local current prices XTX against 4080. Cos I can find entry level 4080 models for less than 6k now.
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post Dec 15 2022, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(targon @ Dec 15 2022, 11:05 AM)
Cos I can find entry level 4080 models for less than 6k now.
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Buy it bruh, and link the listing here. laugh.gif
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post Dec 15 2022, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Dec 15 2022, 09:44 AM)
Actually are they even available here in MY? Still can't find any listing in Laz and Shop...?

*no wait... found the only one available
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Merc 310 5.5k Expect the Tuf to be closer to 6k.
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post Dec 15 2022, 11:23 AM

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and then we have these...

rtx4080 1

rtx4080 2

bloody hell... they need to price them right!

So, XFX Merc compared the Zotac & Palit's offering. How do they compare? Ignoring the green and red difference, as in their built quality and reputation? The price difference is sub RM500 only. 2 years warranty vs 5 years/3 years.

*also just found this...
reference 7900 xtx

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post Dec 15 2022, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Dec 15 2022, 11:23 AM)
and then we have these...

rtx4080 1

rtx4080 2

bloody hell... they need to price them right!

So, XFX Merc compared the Zotac & Palit's offering. How do they compare? Ignoring the green and red difference, as in their built quality and reputation? The price difference is sub RM500 only. 2 years warranty vs 5 years/3 years.

*also just found this...
reference 7900 xtx
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Nice. Both are new listing btw, probably because of 7900 released. blush.gif
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post Dec 15 2022, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Dec 14 2022, 09:40 PM)
Yeah, 400w+ card bruh. Need that extra chonkiness.
If you can afford that said full chip, go buy it.

I recall that 1 slide where they compared 7900 XTX vs 6950XT were misleading quite a bit.
Other than that, the GPU were right on point except the idle power and multimonitor shit.

You're the one that stupid enough to get caught on the stupid hype train caused by clickbait youtuber.
They jack up the price? To what now?
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nobody fell for any hype here, just commenting how far AMD engineering are now compared nvidia, they used to be equal in competence now AMD is far behind
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post Dec 15 2022, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(realityyffr @ Dec 15 2022, 11:35 AM)
nobody fell for any hype here, just commenting how far AMD engineering are now compared nvidia, they used to be equal in competence now AMD is far behind
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No? Really? AMD mentioned these card is a competitor to 4080 but some how everyone want it to reach 4090 performance. laugh.gif

It's a more viable business decision really from AMD. Their CPU department get more priorities and budget now.
Nvidia went balls to the wall with behemoth and super expensive die. AMD can't afford that.

7900 series is a first generation product, similar to Ryzen 1000. Ryzen only become really viable in their 3rd iteration, the 1st one kinda sucks, 2nd one was pretty ok.
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post Dec 15 2022, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Dec 15 2022, 11:14 AM)
Merc 310 5.5k Expect the Tuf to be closer to 6k.
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Wa 5.5k..was expecting the Gigabyte Gaming OC to be like 5.1k..but looking at XFX now not sure if it'll be priced there.
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post Dec 15 2022, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Dec 15 2022, 12:23 PM)
7900 series is a first generation product, similar to Ryzen 1000. Ryzen only become really viable in their 3rd iteration, the 1st one kinda sucks, 2nd one was pretty ok.
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For me the performance is around where I expect them to be, considering like what you mentioned about Ryzen. Just that the pricing over here is a bit off. Was hoping them to be like around 700-800-ish cheaper than the green label. Will wait for more choices (different tiers of the cards) to be made available here before deciding. smile.gif
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post Dec 15 2022, 02:26 PM

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I just received a pricing for Gigabyte from one of the vendor.

GV-R79XTXAORUS E-24GD MSRP RM5,439

GV-R79XTXGAMING OC-24GD MSRP RM5,299

GV-R79XTGAMING OC-20GD MSRP RM4,789

The first one is actually quad slot card shocking.gif Having the boost clock of 2677 MHz. Can't find any review about this card yet.
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post Dec 15 2022, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Dec 15 2022, 02:26 PM)
I just received a pricing for Gigabyte from one of the vendor.

GV-R79XTXAORUS E-24GD MSRP RM5,439

GV-R79XTXGAMING OC-24GD MSRP RM5,299

GV-R79XTGAMING OC-20GD MSRP RM4,789

The first one is actually quad slot card  shocking.gif Having the boost clock of 2677 MHz. Can't find any review about this card yet.
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Oh the second one is slightly over 100 than I expected..thought it will be 5199
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post Dec 15 2022, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Dec 15 2022, 03:11 PM)
Oh the second one is slightly over 100 than I expected..thought it will be 5199
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This is based in Johor price, it might be cheaper places like in KL.
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post Dec 15 2022, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(realityyffr @ Dec 14 2022, 06:23 PM)
AMD marketing bullshitted again. they are falling further and further behind Nvidia. They can't even compete with NVIDIA with their full chip and can only match a cut-down x70 equivalent Nvidia card in raster only.

Nvidia still has a full on chip in their sleeve that they can deploy that is stronger than the 4090. AMd used to fight with NVIDIA with their full chips now fighting the x70 equivalent card sad
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QUOTE(realityyffr @ Dec 15 2022, 11:35 AM)
nobody fell for any hype here, just commenting how far AMD engineering are now compared nvidia, they used to be equal in competence now AMD is far behind
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I don't understand, what was the overhype here? They said 7900XTX will compete with the 4080, and it does. It's faster than the 4080 in raster, slower in RT, yet cheaper. When and where did you see the 7900XTX competing with a xx70 series card from Nvidia?

7900XT is a dumb card I agree, it should have just been called a 7800XT and be sold at the RM3.5k price point.
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post Dec 15 2022, 04:19 PM

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tbf, 7900 XTX is quite priced well in malaysia. it's the 2080 Ti price. neck-to-neck raster performance with 4080. that or you choose to pay for the RTX tax for 4080 on gaming.

you need to ask yourself what kind of games you're going to play.
- are you going to play MW2? 7900 XTX.
- you love to play souls like games? meh, 7900 XTX.
- you play Apex, CSGO, <insert any competitive game here> and want a high end card which generates absurd amount of frames? go for whichever the cheaper one, which is 7900 XTX.

then ask yourself whether if you're going to use the card other than gaming.
- you do render works (hobby/professionally) with cycles, arnold, v-ray, redshift etc? any NVIDIA card, 3000 series and above.
- you train your ML models with PyTorch (again hobby/professionally)? play around with TensorFLow? any NVIDIA card, 3000 series and above.
- video editing works? 7900 XTX is extremely competitive here now, but 4080 still has a teeny little bit of extra edge.
- streaming? NAVI 31 now includes hardware AV1 encode/decode, means it's again extremely competitive against Ada's NVENC AV1. but still, NVIDIA has an edge on H.264 and 265.

in some senses, AMD is catching up NVIDIA on a few workloads but still lacking behind on the rest especially renders, the difference is miles apart. but if you're using it for pure gaming + AV1 streaming, I don't see why 7900 XTX is a bad choice, considering it's RM1k cheaper (to even 2k if you compare AIB models in the near future, don't forget 4080 ROG Strix sells at ~RM8k!)

to give AMD benefit of the doubt, as usual the gang who falls into blatant fanboyism overhyped the card and went as far as claiming the rasterization of it to match 4090 and creating arbitrary charts like this trash: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ylfg8...this_what_were/ (don't forget listening to ̶t̶e̶c̶h̶t̶u̶b̶e̶r̶s̶ trashtubers like Moore's Law Is Dead)
they were expecting it to be superb that give NVIDIA a tough beating, and eventually let themselves down simply because the card is good, not SUPERB, and that AMD is a company, not your friend.
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post Dec 15 2022, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 15 2022, 04:13 PM)
7900XT is a dumb card I agree, it should have just been called a 7800XT and be sold at the RM3.5k price point.
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It seems like the existence of the XT spec is only to push ppl to buy the XTX cards. lol...
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post Dec 15 2022, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Dec 15 2022, 04:22 PM)
It seems like the existence of the XT spec is only to push ppl to buy the XTX cards. lol...
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Very much yes.

I see no reason why they couldn't call the 7900XT a 7800XT. This means then they have no answer to the fake 4080 aka probably the 4070Ti when it launches in a month's time or so.
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post Dec 15 2022, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 15 2022, 04:36 PM)
Very much yes.

I see no reason why they couldn't call the 7900XT a 7800XT. This means then they have no answer to the fake 4080 aka probably the 4070Ti when it launches in a month's time or so.
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7900 XT is so undesiraable, AMD probably will drop the price when 4070 Ti hit the market, even big reviewer shit on it. laugh.gif
The 4080 12GB 4070 Ti, if nothing change under hood will be noticably slower than the XT.
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post Dec 15 2022, 05:48 PM

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Hi Im newbie on pc tech

Just bought gigabyte ref xtx gpu at rm5099 from azio. Prebooked a unit, today only 5 stocks they ordered.

2 units available.
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post Dec 15 2022, 06:15 PM

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There's a rumor about silicon/die on current 7900 series is on stepping A0. hmm.gif hmm.gif
That could explain about those weird power consumption and shit.

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