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post Jul 18 2019, 06:55 PM

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What's the best value DDR4-3600 in Malaysia market currently? Prices in Lazada and Shopee so pricey (not sure if it's old/new price)
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post Jul 18 2019, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jul 18 2019, 06:55 PM)
What's the best value DDR4-3600 in Malaysia market currently? Prices in Lazada and Shopee so pricey (not sure if it's old/new price)
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Buy a DDR4-3200 and hope it runs at 3600? biggrin.gif

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post Jul 19 2019, 04:52 PM

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Modules that has fairly high success rate of being OC'd to 3600mhz (widely available in Msia) -

G.Skill Trident Z/Royal/RGB - 16GTZR(X)*
Corsair Dominator Platinum - CMD16GX4M2B3000C15

*note There is a specific Ryzen module for G.Skill, but there are enough success reports claiming that the regular non Ryzen modules works too.
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post Jul 19 2019, 06:46 PM

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Navi oh Navi, too bad my wallet is always empty.

60% power for -7% performance is pretty crazy, better than Pascal imo.
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post Jul 19 2019, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 18 2019, 08:32 PM)
Buy a DDR4-3200 and hope it runs at 3600? biggrin.gif
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pretty sure u need latency which aint gonna fly with just any normal ram.
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post Jul 19 2019, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jul 19 2019, 06:46 PM)
Navi oh Navi, too bad my wallet is always empty.

60% power for -7% performance is pretty crazy, better than Pascal imo.
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pretty silly if that was under water u undervolt right..

cause air cooling u just want to get the max whatever..
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post Jul 19 2019, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jul 19 2019, 08:10 PM)
pretty silly if that was under water u undervolt right..

cause air cooling u just want to get the max whatever..
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What you mean? hmm.gif
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post Jul 19 2019, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jul 19 2019, 08:54 PM)
What you mean? hmm.gif
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those guys doing those high voltage on 5700xt must be using water.

so dat table just now. the dude on water only have sustain clocks like that aka 40% reduction in power but only -7% loss in performance.

also like my friends card his nvr goes above 70c in no ac etc and in some stupid nzxt casing. clocks min stays arnd 18xx and burst higher. luck of the draw. his from asus. stock voltage etc.

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post Jul 20 2019, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jul 19 2019, 11:03 PM)
those guys doing those high voltage on 5700xt must be using water.

so dat table just now. the dude on water only have sustain clocks like that aka 40% reduction in power but only -7% loss in performance.

also like my friends card his nvr goes above 70c in no ac etc and in some stupid nzxt casing. clocks min stays arnd 18xx and burst higher. luck of the draw. his from asus. stock voltage etc.
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What you mean high voltage? Stock voltage is like 1.15v right?
He is on stock cooler but his ambient temp was like 10c-15c


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post Jul 21 2019, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jul 19 2019, 08:07 PM)
pretty sure u need latency which aint gonna fly with just any normal ram.
Depends on what you're doing with it, some tests / games do see immediate boost in performance from 3200 to higher frequency even with unchanged CL.

In the end 3200 to 3200 based on calculation using same CL does still improve in latency.

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post Jul 21 2019, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 21 2019, 08:47 PM)
Depends on what you're doing with it, some tests / games do see immediate boost in performance from 3200 to higher frequency even with unchanged CL.

In the end 3200 to 3200 based on calculation using same CL does still improve in latency.
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maybe

also guessing a lot didnt notice in the latest ces or computex gskill had a 3600 C14 32gb kit i think for ryzen II
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post Jul 22 2019, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jul 21 2019, 10:26 PM)
also guessing a lot didnt notice in the latest ces or computex gskill had a 3600 C14 32gb kit i think for ryzen II
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Unfortunately the fact remains that most people are clueless on the CAS Latency, let alone the real latency.

I spent more than 8 hours testing the difference between 3200 CL16 vs 3600 CL16 vs 3266 CL14.

In the end 3266 CL14 takes the crown, at least from my sets of tests. In less memory subsystem reliant works then there's practically no difference in any of them.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jul 19 2019, 06:46 PM)
Navi oh Navi, too bad my wallet is always empty.

60% power for -7% performance is pretty crazy, better than Pascal imo.
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system build completed now my 5700xt not crashing anymore suspect asrock b450 bios update is buggy. Now up for some undervolting goodness
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 22 2019, 08:00 AM)
Unfortunately the fact remains that most people are clueless on the CAS Latency, let alone the real latency.

I spent more than 8 hours testing the difference between 3200 CL16 vs 3600 CL16 vs 3266 CL14.

In the end 3266 CL14 takes the crown, at least from my sets of tests. In less memory subsystem reliant works then there's practically no difference in any of them.
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tighter timings is always better
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jul 23 2019, 12:15 AM)
tighter timings is always better
Yes, ideally it's that way but some benchmarks like Cinebench do show 3600 CL16 having slight edge over 3266 CL14.

That's why it took me quite a while to test out various software and settings to find out where does the tighter timing settings shine over the other.


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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 23 2019, 08:19 AM)
Yes, ideally it's that way but some benchmarks like Cinebench do show 3600 CL16 having slight edge over 3266 CL14.

That's why it took me quite a while to test out various software and settings to find out where does the tighter timing settings shine over the other.
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For benchmark scores I assume speed is more important than latency but those tight rams are pricey for a budget conscious gamer lol
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post Jul 23 2019, 03:58 PM

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Does anyone have the reference RX5700? My HD 7950 gave up the ghost today and I'm considering upgrading to a reference RX5700 as I'm using a small form factor case hmm.gif
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jul 19 2019, 08:10 PM)
pretty silly if that was under water u undervolt right..

cause air cooling u just want to get the max whatever..
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i think you are mistaken bro
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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jul 23 2019, 01:39 PM)
For benchmark scores I assume speed is more important than latency but those tight rams are pricey for a budget conscious gamer lol
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Ahh of course, but those are high speed tight timing out of the box.

In my case, 3200 CL16 at sub RM 200 per 8GB stick. biggrin.gif Tuned to 3266 CL14.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jul 23 2019, 03:58 PM)
Does anyone have the reference RX5700?  My HD 7950 gave up the ghost today and I'm considering upgrading to a reference RX5700 as I'm using a small form factor case hmm.gif
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Just do it bro. laugh.gif
Damn your 7950 last pretty long, i think you bought it even before i got my 7950 over 5 years ago.

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