If you breed a working line and a show line, you're going to get an unpredictable dog. It might have a sloping back, it might have a high working drive... Basically you're playing dice with the outcome, because both lines are so far apart right now in terms of temperament and posture that they might as well be considered two different breeds.

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A working line or a show line? What’s the difference if we are getting a GSD for guard and family pet dog and what type is the best? Where best to buy? Too many Questions.
Bensabelle puppies are show line GSD and they are expensive like Rm4K fixed but are their GSD really great dogs? Can Sifu here help as I don’t know much about GSD but want to buy.

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If you breed a working line and a show line, you're going to get an unpredictable dog. It might have a sloping back, it might have a high working drive... Basically you're playing dice with the outcome, because both lines are so far apart right now in terms of temperament and posture that they might as well be considered two different breeds.

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A working line or a show line? What’s the difference if we are getting a GSD for guard and family pet dog and what type is the best? Where best to buy? Too many Questions.
Bensabelle puppies are show line GSD and they are expensive like Rm4K fixed but are their GSD really great dogs? Can Sifu here help as I don’t know much about GSD but want to buy.

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bensabelle are showline only from what i know...... no gsd will protect your family magically mostly need to trained but of course when u buy a dog you wanna make sure it has the genetic to do so. If the parents are playfull 50% chance that the puppy u choose might be playful too but then again how u raise and train your puppy will determine how he turn out to be. For me go for working line GSD.

bensabelle are showline only from what i know...... no gsd will protect your family magically mostly need to trained but of course when u buy a dog you wanna make sure it has the genetic to do so. If the parents are playfull 50% chance that the puppy u choose might be playful too but then again how u raise and train your puppy will determine how he turn out to be. For me go for working line GSD.

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Thanks alot but honestly, i still blurred. Now I know that the dog's parents are important as good tempered GSD will normally give birth to good tempered offspring and so is healthy to healthy and bla bla bla.

As to temper, isn't the show line GSD shall be less problematic with kids because working line tends to be aggressive even with training as training will only provide us how to handle or tackle the situation with working line GSD. Basic commands must be important so that we can talk to the animal and they can understand our commands; am I right, Sifu?

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bensabelle are showline only from what i know...... no gsd will protect your family magically mostly need to trained but of course when u buy a dog you wanna make sure it has the genetic to do so. If the parents are playfull 50% chance that the puppy u choose might be playful too but then again how u raise and train your puppy will determine how he turn out to be. For me go for working line GSD.

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Thanks alot but honestly, i still blurred. Now I know that the dog's parents are important as good tempered GSD will normally give birth to good tempered offspring and so is healthy to healthy and bla bla bla.

As to temper, isn't the show line GSD shall be less problematic with kids because working line tends to be aggressive even with training as training will only provide us how to handle or tackle the situation with working line GSD. Basic commands must be important so that we can talk to the animal and they can understand our commands; am I right, Sifu?

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I feel the same as well.

Whatever we know and learn are from the White and Can't their way be wrong or only applicable to some but not all dogs.

Dogs are animal and so are we and presently, human training are of the western type and not that of Asian esp. of the Chinese of thousands of years experience of try and error. Nowaday, we see children showing disrespectful toward parents and teachers which are cause by western education. Chinese education of "spare the rod, spoil the kid" no longer apply a our LAWS forbid it.
In my opinion, in training Dogs esp. large Dogs, we also may also need to use alittle force or pain to make sure that the dogs stay in line but these do not apply to all dogs as dogs like us do have own strength and weakness. Only when persuasion fail, some of the Caesar gentle side kicks and punches may be needed to ensure that our dogs listen, know their place and stay in line.

Above my opinions only, what say the SIfus?

See, the thing is, dogs aren't humans, don't think like humans, and don't look at punishment the same way as humans. Hitting a dog 2 hours after it pees in the house? The poor dog isn't going to connect 'pee in house' to 'wrong' and 'that's why I got punished'.

Beyond that, some of Cesar's ideas/methods are proven to be wrong. For one, dogs don't see humans as part of their pack, and they sure as hell aren't 'asserting their dominance' over you when they don't listen to you. Hitting a dog is just going to make it wary of you. Hitting a dog when it growls at another dog will probably make it think 'oh, when another dog appears, my master hits me. I must growl at the dog and chase it away'.

TL;DR? Dogs aren't humans. Don't treat them as such.

P.S. Kids definitely need discipline, but caning? The hooligans in my school were caned daily and remained hooligans.

Well, maybe you are right as I am no Dog Expert but then I do know that my son's 2 pet dogs understand me well when I tell them to Stop or Out but they never listen to my wife as she didn't discipline the dogs like I did. Even my grandchildren age 1 and 2 will stop doing what they did when I say stop or no and the same apply to the dogs as well. So, to me, human being and smart animal like GSD do understand us well and if we discipline them well and let them know that we mean buz, then they would obey. Learning or teaching the dogs must be done immediately and not later as even on training children, always at the moment cos later it serves no purpose at all.

Maybe, it's just plain coincidence or luck.

Oyes, when canning is concerned, just one stroke will do cos too many strokes will serve no purpose and that why those hooligans never learn cos too many times and too many canning will only harden the hands and cause no pain. maybe even syok feeling.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 20 2014, 03:42 PM

Hi Dishwasher,

What do dogs see us as? I read that positive reinforcement do not work with many aggressive animals.
So what do you propose is the right method for the situation you mentioned here?

Dogs see us as giant treat dispensers. And a source of comfort and protection. They may even see us as 'leader', but that's completely different as considering us 'part of their pack'. They know very well we're not dogs.

Positive reinforcement should work for most dogs. Some trainers advocate 100% positive reinforcement, but personally, I think there is value to teaching a dog 'no means no'. Ultimately, each dog is going to be different and require different methods. What matters is correct usage. Even shock collars have a place in dog training - if used correctly it can give wonderful results. If you shock the dog for no good reason tho, you're going to end up with a fear reactive dog.

I like Emily Larlham (kikopup on youtube). Her dogs are incredibly well trained, and she's 100% positive reinforcement if I'm not mistaken.

Good day sifus..need some guidance on food or supplements to gain my dog's weight..6 month old, female gsd at 13kgs..she is on totw..feeding 125g 3 times..any other home cooked food suggestions?? Ur advices are highly appreciated..thanks in advance..cheers 😆😆😆😆

well female tend to be smaller than male so don't worry so much about her weight. Another advice check what are her parent weight like cause may be she is small build. Otherwise just exercise her well and enjoy her companion

Thank u harvin6..

Thanks dishwasher! If I was Cesar Millan, I would believed he is the leader of the pack when he is around so many dogs in his place. But I think in the house it would be more like the dog being a very young child. Am I wrong?

I seen Kikopup. It looked as if giving incentive/bribes (foodbits) is a kinder way to train dogs? It look to me that it will work on puppies and non aggressive dogs.



Where to buy e-collar here?

Hi everyone, i'm just curious whether everyone here follow the feeding guideline behind the kibble's beg because of all the different metabolized energy in different brand of dog kibble.

Not sure i've been doing this right, hopefully i can have your input? my feeding guideline is asking me to feed 317 grams/day. But i'm feeding my GSD 550 gram / day, but i see his poop all nice only. Pet shop seller say i can feed more, only poop more, no benefit. But if i reduce the kibbles, can c him thinning down wo. How a?

We seldom go out to have walks. just run around my lawn. Guard dog become pet dog d. lolx he plays with my beagle some times.

The guidelines are just that, a guideline. Every dog will be different, so use your best judgement. You can google up ways to check if your dog is overweight or too thin, but an easy way is to touch the chest area and see if you can feel the ribs.

Remember, it's always better to have a thin dog than a fat one.

Hi, all, may i know which shampoo of brand you guys use it for your german shepherd? pls advise

No particular shampoo. I'm using "Gold Medal" brand. I've used "I Love pet head" shampoo also. Same only.

Change only if you see your dog scratch alot after bath due to dryness of skin.

Just sharing my dog selfie 2 years old XD

Hello everyone..happy new year..a few questions..my 7 month old gsd has developed demodex (already on vets treatment and responding well)..vet "prescribed" royal canin hypoallergenic for her..initially she ate well..and past few days, she leaves the food over..previously feeding her on TOTW roasted lamb..she was ok (not to say enjoyed eating it) with it..i need your expertise, how and what shall i feed her?? how can i make her crave for her food?? really confused..fyi, was on TOTW for 4 months.. thank u in advance..

Work your dog, tire your dog then she will be hungry. And the lazy way is mix dry food with some boiled chicken or vet food.