Hi Evangtee,
You have a good start by contacting Bensabella (as per my finding)Bensabella are been highly recommended by the old time Sifu in this forum. If not mistaken their GSD are from show line. Made sure that you find/invest in a good dog kennel/farm because this GSD breed popular with hip dyslasia (HD). Do you mind to share Bensabella contact number? you can PM me. Thanks.

Hi Drd,
Do you mind to share your little GSD pic.?hihihi.. I also one of the GSD lover. I think they are the most intelligent dog (personal opinion), I used to walk and jog with my housing area security's GSD. He never walk on leash before but after 10 minute he can master it. After "Pantang" period don't forget to walk your dog to drain out his energy.

What sort of premium dog food r u looking at? There r many out there actually.

Hi mind sharing Bensabella's contact with me too once u have it? Pls pm Tq

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I have been reading that many large boned dogs can develop hips dyslexia. Confusing..






Replied.

So it's not just a Showline GSD's problem.

1. There really isn't such a thing as 'large boned', 'small boned' dogs. I'm not sure where the usage of this term started, but breed standards never advocated that a breed (any breed really, not just GSDs) had to have 'large bones' to be a good example of the breed. More and more, it's being used by backyard breeders to sell dogs to people looking for large, intimidating dogs, whether because they think this makes them better guard dogs, or maybe because they have small penises and feel the need to compensate by getting a huge boner.

2. Hip dysplasia is a problem for many large breeds that are badly bred. It's tied to genetics, i.e. parents with hip dysplasia will breed puppies with a high chance of the same problem. That's why hip scoring is important - the dogs are x-rayed, have their hip scores taken, and are only bred if the scores meet a certain standard. Again, the problem you see today is by and large due to bad breeding by backyard breeders, who don't take precaution against hip dysplasia. They breed to make a profit, and will breed dogs with bad hips, resulting in puppies with bad hips, that get further bred, resulting in worst hips. That's why hip dysplasia plagues popular breeds the most - Golden Retrievers, GSDs.

How do you avoid this? Get your dog from a breeder who checks the sire's and dame's hips before breeding them. Say no to backyard breeders.

3. Specifically, for GSDs. Hip dysplasia becomes a huge problem in showline dogs due to the effort to breed a dog with an excessively sloping back. You're specifically breeding for dogs that have bad posture - why is it surprising that these dogs end up with hip problems and can't walk properly?

If you still have your heart set on a showline dog, please make sure you ask about the puppy's parents hip scores, and whether they are health tested before being bred. Bear in mind that getting the parents tested cost money, which trickles down to you as a buyer. That's why good pups will cost more, always.But that's the price of having a healthy dog.

Or you could get a cheap, backyard bred dog, and then either dump it when the health problems become apparent, or pay thousands and thousands to a vet to give your puppy a better life.

Hopefully, that's helped a bit in your efforts to get a dog. You have my utmost respect for the amount of research you've been doing. Most people I see simply visit a pet shop and grab the first cute puppy they see without thinking twice.

Thanks you so much for the number. Have you made your decision where to get your puppy? Having puppy just like you have small baby. You need to dedicate a lot of your personal time.

I think DishWater has cover generally what is HD. Not only GSD (neither working line nor show line) have this kind of problem Siberian Husky or Rottweiler facing the same problem. So better we get puppy from a good breeder.

hi there..thanx for sharing your info..i have found someone who can supply me with taste of the wild..according to farm owner, she comes under working line (still a pup,she is)..

hi there..i have not snapped pictures of her yet..will definitely put her pic up soon..and she not yet "pantang"..haven't turned puberty yet..

Is it a good idea to get a showline cross with a working line?
Generally speaking, what is the best prevention against hip dysplasia?


So far, none of the private people (3 persons with working line) we visited were interested in showing health certificates although they advertised they had. Only one shop did. But that pup is now 11 months old.

These are latest contenders. We certainly not going to rush as it is going to be part of our family pack. A new baby?
They range from rm2500 to rm4000
I have not included Bensabelle puppies as they told me a new batch is coming soon.

gene Lee is the facebook name only and try to convince people putting up cruel dog videos is a "beautiful experience" to create awareness.
first time so obvious she look snakey after hitting the dog head with the tool when she think no one was around. then when she know we there she smile like a child. very dr jeckyll and mr hide!
she shuould be stop but anyone can create group on facebook.







to all gsd owners-
bythe way way got 2 places for dog keeping i can recommend is
https://www.facebook.com/Noughtydog (dog training/keeping)
or the Pet Safari @ Ikano (dog grooming)

I think you got different meaning of "Pantang". Correct me if I wrong, normally pup that haven't get their 3rd inject, they would aloud the pup go out from their yard. Actually I not really believe because I came from Kampung, last time my dad just lepas like that only his GSD pups. I do consult my Vet.it is this pantang are true, he said can be true because got a lot of bacteria and virus on the road and grass that will harm the puppy.

For the new parent of GSD, I have a good book from Cesar Millan name How to raise the perfect dog- through puppyhood and beyond. I get the book from MPH Rm71.90(price can be differ depend on the currency because the seller help me to booked and ship it from over sea).
By the way, why do you choose GSD over other breed of dog? Share your story so that we will have some topic to heat up this room.

The best way to prevent HD is to stop breed those dog with HD disease. If not mistaken got a supplement that can help those dog that diagnose with HD but it don't cure it until the dog going for operation (1 of the forum member in this thread bring his dog for operation).. I don't know where all the Otai/sifu/Guru gone..
If you can wait for more time I think by January or February will have a lot of puppies for sell due to started from last month mostly dog all are on heat and this quarter are their mating season.
Erm is a good question what will happen if we mate those working line and show line????

The so called pantang is mostly a precaution against parvo. Parvo spread through faeces, and is deadly in puppies. Once the puppy's been vaccinated against parvo, the risk is much smaller, and vaccination only happens at 3 months.

Ceser Milan, bless his heart, is what many consider an 'old school' trainer. Many of the ideas he has are considered outdated - dogs don't see their human masters as the leader of the pack, for one thing. There's a whole new school of thought when it comes to training dogs nowadays - read up on positive reinforcement.

If you breed a working line and a show line, you're going to get an unpredictable dog. It might have a sloping back, it might have a high working drive... Basically you're playing dice with the outcome, because both lines are so far apart right now in terms of temperament and posture that they might as well be considered two different breeds.

sure pm me the number!

If not buy from pet shop or breeder then get from where?

the ones i seen in june with parents are from pahang from indian breeder. the rest all don't have.

the pahang man have a batch of puppies and very big space for them to play.
he got show and working dogs. bythe time i went back to check all sold out end out last mth.


i am also member of 2 facebook group -dog for sale-adoption and pets for sale in kl and slangor.
unfortunately many are not telling the truth. when i go to see the advertiser, they say the dog sold out. they their best to tell me to take other dogs because fit me and my partner more better. some even told us gsd are more suitable for indians and not us (chinese).

to tell you the truth, i and my partner am a bit sick of all this groups.

for about 3k i might as well get direct from ben sabelle or the pahang family.

haha..definitely i got u wrong..i got wat u meant now..i don't let her out of the house though..thanx again..cheers