Whixh type of gsd r u looking for? Show line work line? For workline i think someone here is a breeder but i cant recall his nick, u will have to check from previous posts.

For show line , there r many but how reliable im not too sure and i do not know of any good ones so far.

I think there is one which i remember seeing from previous posts , located in kl. my advise is make sure u see d pup personally before deciding.

Go over and choose urself rather than seeing it from d pics. I learnt from my mistakes though. My gsd unfortunately doesnt have his testicles descended, so will have to go for surgery to locate and remove em. And as for my batch, there has been couple of health problems with d pups. It was quite disappointed to experience this actually.

Same here. Any good breeders?

Is this really a good form?

Hi Eely,
Do you mind telling me what you mean your German Shepherd testicles not descended?
Show lines (like the ones shown above) not good to buy? Look as if it has sloping hind legs like Dobermans and Bull Terrier.
My family likes the look and color presentation of the photos, Incrediblehulk and Hqdc posted above, but two 2-3 months old gsd (at pet shop) I seen have little grey faded tan coloring around the legs only and mostly black body.
Actually it is not important if its showline or working type as long as it is healthy and has better hair+fur colors like in the photos above.

The one big difference between show lines and working lines is the roached back. A quick google will give you a bunch of sites with more info, but from a personal point of view, show lines are a horror. I've seen GSDs with backs so curved that they can't walk properly. They drag their hind legs along because it simply isn't at the correct angle for locomotion, and it pains my heart to see such a beautiful breed end up like this.

Regarding the undescended testicles - this happens in dogs, and can be related to genetics. Basically the testicles fail to 'drop' into the scrotum and remain inside the dog's abdomen. When this happens there is a high chance the undescended testicles will develop into cancer, so surgery to remove them is highly recommended.

Buying a dog for looks is like marrying for looks. In day to day life, it is the dog's temperament you live with, not looks.

Show line gsd's would make von Stephanitz turn in his grave. Grotesque.

Dear all,

I would be building a dog kennel for my 4 months old GSD. I would really appreciate anyone who would share their dog kennel design.
Thanking in advance.

R u saying show line GSDs hv bad temperament? How many would agree to this?

LOL, how did you come to that conclusion?

He's snobbishly saying that you guys are shallow and stupid for choosing a dog based on looks instead of temperament, and not realizing that the particular looks that you guys are so enamored with are actually unhealthy deformations bred.

Finally, someone who is not retarded. (Joking...)

Now, I understand the futility of enlightening a whole bunch of idiots to the original breed function of the GSD. Nonetheless, because I like posting on forums, I will let von Stephanitz be heard. He is the creator of the GSD. Here are quotes from him:

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Utility is the True Criterion of Beauty

The coloring of the dog has no significance whatever for service; our shepherd dog accordingly is not bred for color. Coloring therefore is only a fad of the amateur and as such is often liable to changes of whim.

The most striking feature of the correctly bred German Shepherd are firmness of nerves, attentiveness, unshockability, tractability, watchfulness, reliability and incorruptibility together with courage, fighting tenacity, and hardness

Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim.

The breeding of shepherd dogs is the breeding of working dogs; and this must always be the aim, or we shall cease to produce shepherd dogs.

Even the most perfectly built dog is of no use if he does not possess the incentive to give of his best and of his uttermost.

The impulse for work is born in our dogs.

The dog who is kept in the kennel...is no better than a beast caged for show.


The working dog is trained to be very smart on the word of command, but he learns to understand very much more beyond it, if only his master will take the necessary pains with him.

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http://www.total-german-shepherd.com/germa...herdquotes.html

This is a GSD from the 1940's


Notice how compact the body is. No "big bone structure" nonsense -- this is a lithe, compact dog much the size of a Mallinois. The head is aquiline.

The contemporary show GSD is a cripple: too bulky and muscle-bound to be agile, and with a totally unsound collapsing pelvis.

Firstly, your dog doesn't give a damn about a kennel. No dog wants to spend time in a kennel. It's a cage. Just buy a commercial cage. The dog, as I was saying, doesn't give a damn about being caged. It will never voluntarily spend any time in the kennel you are so keen to build (for yourself). It will only be inside if you shut the door. Open the door, and the dog can't f***ing wait to get the f*** out of it. You are not building him a home of his own. You are building him a prison.

A dog's favourite place is .. right beside his/her owner.

Are you a worthy owner of a dog?

This post has been edited by kotmj: Sep 3 2014, 09:43 PM

Thanks dishwasher.

Ill be getting him into surgery soon probably by this year, however im quite concern if he needs to live a night in the clinic, that would freak him off, as he never stay apart from me, not at all. Whenever i go out or leave him alone, he will be barking at me, he is a very sticky dog following me where ever i go.

A very, very bad joke.
http://www.mudah.my/German+sherpherd-28882633.htm

U wanna start calling names about others? Dont f**king hide behind ur keyboard and tell it to my f**king face if u hv the f**king balls to do so u f**king piece of sh*t. (Joking...!)

This post has been edited by HouseToLive: Sep 4 2014, 12:18 PM

Some like brown, some like golden, some like tall, some prefer certain breeds, some prefer imported stocks.



It is down to personal preferences at the end of the day.






Larger dogs tend to hip problem as they aged but this don't mean smaller dogs don't have problems.

This post has been edited by 100plus2: Sep 9 2014, 08:33 PM

How much it cost you per bag?

There were a lot of articles concerning showline and working lines.
Then I came across these comments below (Q and A, after Jean Mueller article):

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My husband and I started out with American line GSDs 4 years ago. I currently have three dogs. They have been shown in the breed ring as well as the obedience ring. My dogs are worked in obedience, agility, herding and fly ball. I've shown two dogs to their championships and continue to put working titles on my dogs. Due to problems with this breed health and structure wise; I began to research and talk to AKC judges, UKC judges, Breeders, and the dog community in general. I have shown other peoples dogs in breed as a way to work with as many American line GSDs as possible. And as part of my on going studies I've opened my home to breeders who have puppies stay for a week or two for socialization and training. I have worked with other herding breeds as well as German line GSDs which I base my comparisons on.

Jean Mueller





Q.
I am really glad to see that someone having been in the GSD breed for four years is so knowledgeable. I wish after 30 years, 50 Champions, professional handler for 20 years, could say I know as much as you. I hope to one day to meet you face to face. You are a disgrace to this wonderful breed. The really bad part of this is you will get a lot of new young people to listen to you. People like you are the ones who will destroy the breed for which it was intended by Mr. Max.

Bob Grady. Breeder for 30 years, Pro Handler for 20 years, and now AKC Judge.

BADBOB (doglover@inreach.com)

A.
I have received a number of nasty grams on this article. Since you seem to represent the herd I will respond to your email.

To begin with I did not write this article. I mentioned this at the top of the article. If you have only been in the breed 30 years, then I have 5 years more experience than you do. But this is an irrelevant matter. The interesting thing is that the lady that wrote this article figured these things out in 4 years. Does it mean that she is a tad bit smarter than you? After all she came to the correct conclusion after 4 years and you have not figured it out in 30.

The AKC and people like you have misled the general public long enough. The advent of the internet has allowed people like me to break your strangle hold of mis-information on this breed. While I would like to take credit ( in a small way) for educating people about the misgivings of the American GSD, you people accomplish a lot on your own. Don't think that John "Q" public does not look at these goofy animals that you breed (and show) and realize that no animal should look and move the way they look and move.

I find it curious how you can toot your horn about the AKC and your 50 champions. If the AKC was sincerely interested in bettering the breed they would require tattooing puppies (or putting identification chips in them), they would require hip x-rays before two dogs could be bred and they would insist on working titles and temperament tests on a dog as a requirement for a championship. Your arrogance and your stupidity fly in the face of common sense. So don't try and tell me about how people like me have destroyed the breed, go look in the mirror.

So Badbob (or Bob Grady), if you really are an AKC judge, then you are also a fool. Showing GSD's in conformation is 80% political and 20% dogs. AKC shows are about "who you know and not what you have." AKC conformation is the epitomy of the "GOOD OLD BOY NETWORK" at its worst.

I too was an AKC Judge a number of years ago. I judged herding dog trials in the "tending style." When the AKC took their stupid stand against Schutzhund I resigned.

Ed Frawley
A2.
Dear Bob,

I just read your e-mail to Mr. Frawley on the Leerburg web site. I must say that I disagree with your point of view. The woman who wrote the article to which you commented on, makes a compelling argument about the physical state of the "AKC GSD" and the examples that are shown in ACK sanctioned dog shows.

I have owned and trained German Shepherd dogs for approx. 10 years now and I am also a Police K-9 Handler for the Sheriff Dept I work for. One thing I must point, I have never seen a "American " line GSD that was able to perform as a suitable patrol dog. They simply do not have the temperament to function in this role. This situation alone demonstrates the need for a change in the AKC,s outlook toward this breed.

The AKC needs to look at itself more objectively and realize that they have left the ideas of the breed founder in a dust filled closet and have created a very faulty method of determining what a GSD should be.

I would be delighted to discuss this issue with you in detail and share with you what I have learned. You must know that I do not hold my opinions as a result of reading information on Mr. Frawley's web site. I have held my opinion toward the current state of the "American" GSD for quite some time. Since opening my mind about canine breeding, I feel even stronger than ever that your position is in error.

Please feel free to e-mail me at the address below for a civil discussion.

Mark (Blkwid56@aol.com)


Q.
Hi!! Well.... I TOTALLY disagree with what you had to say about the German show lines. "Couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag..." Totally not true. Apparently you have not seen many show dogs. For example.... VA2 Nanto von Dan Alhedy's Hoeve SchH3 IPO3 Kkl1 life. He is a prime example of a show-working dog. He comes from a line of tough dogs. One of the best producing b****es of all time, Catja v. Dan al.... His offspring are excelling S&R and even a police dog in NY who has already had 5 street bites. But hey....so much for a show, VA dog. I agree with you that American GSDs are pieces of sh*t. I think you should restate your opinion of German Show lines once you have more knowledge of them.

Candice

A.
I do not want to be offensive, but you have a lot to learn. Go out and get some experience and then talk to me in 10 years.

There are a lot of police dogs that have no business being on the street so this argument does not hold water.

Think what you want about these dogs, but the fact is there are sound reasons for people like me (including the German Police) not looking at the show lines.

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Im getting it below rm180 for a 13kg bag. Recently i mixed it with natural balance as i just couldnt resist the result after temporarily given him NB when eagle pro was out of stock then.

Im getting em at a slightly lower than the discounted retail price. I dont think outside is selling any price lower than this.

What about yourself? Which do u feed urs with?

Thanks for explaining so nicely. I shall be looking out during our search.
Thumbs up for Danny



Elynsoon, House to Live, 100plus, peteloyat and other gsd owners:

what do you think of this gsd below? Asking price is 2500 ringgit.

Pictures can only tell you so much. Can you view the parents? Do the parents have a health record you can check? And dear god, the image is from mudah.com.