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FundSuperMart v16 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D
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wodenus
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Dec 12 2016, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Dec 12 2016, 05:14 PM) My portfolio for fsm is 70% foreign. But objectively speaking (aside from last 2 years), malaysia funds like Eastspring Small Cap and Kenanga Growth is still pretty good given the risk to return ratio over the last 5 and 10 years. 2 years return as comparison to other foreign funds are not so great but too short of timeframe. i'm not patriotic but i think pinkspider here once mentione last time global funds really lousy returns. He probably meant global funds (ie. funds which invest globally) and not funds that invest in specific geographic regions
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wodenus
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Dec 12 2016, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 12 2016, 02:59 PM) a reminder or a new to apply mantra..... "Match your unit trust investing with your risk appetite" http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-risk-appetite/Another reminder - the definition of "high risk" depends on the person. Risk is not that easy to define, when something is classified as "low risk" what they usually mean is "low volatility". In mutual funds there's no such thing as "high risk" and "low risk", or more accurately, all mutual funds are low risk. This can be proven very easily.. look at FSM's list, how many funds lost money after 10 years? almost zero. So what risk are we talking about here? if you spend money on food you don't know you will even like the taste of.. that is riskier than investing in a mutual fund for 10 years This post has been edited by wodenus: Dec 12 2016, 08:57 PM
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wodenus
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Dec 12 2016, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 12 2016, 07:56 PM) OMG OMG OMG! All the listed UTF in FSM universe ROI is > 0 % annualised for the past ten years. You are right wodenus, you are sure to make money after ten years investing. On the other hand, average performance of all those with 10 years track record is 6.3% p.a. UTF cheat people money? Xuzen I am sure of it. This post has been edited by wodenus: Dec 12 2016, 09:02 PM
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wodenus
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Dec 12 2016, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 12 2016, 08:17 PM) there is ONE that lose money....after 10 yrs  (yes you are right...almost ZERO number)  those that can see it will say...what the heck....the IRR is less than FD.....for so many funds after 10 yrs. so this one would be talking about partly under "Management Risk" ?? Performance of the fund depends on the experience, expertise, knowledge and investment techniques of the fund manager. Poor management of a fund can cause considerable losses to the fund, which in turn may affect the capital invested. https://www.fimm.com.my/investor/abc-of-uni...ng-unit-trusts/for those that wanted to be calculative in to it.... Quantitative Measures of Investment Risk https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Oct-2011--1723Measuring The Risks In Unit Trust Investing http://www.sharesinv.com/articles/2012/08/...rust-investing/That is correct.. it's almost impossible to be losing money in 10 years. Not making as much as FD is another matter. With FD rates dropping as they are though, maybe that will change as well  As I have said earlier.. there is almost no "risk". In fact I would say there is no risk. Bonds have a tradition of not performing as well as equities, and now they are more volatile than ever before, and yet they are called "low risk". Go figure lol This post has been edited by wodenus: Dec 12 2016, 08:25 PM
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wodenus
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Dec 12 2016, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 12 2016, 07:26 PM) BENGALURU (Dec 12): Southeast Asian stock markets closed lower on Monday, with the Philippines posting its sharpest fall in nearly three weeks, as investors dumped risky assets on expectations that the U.S. Federal Reserve would raise interest rates later this week. "There is a lot of foreign selling pressure right now, in anticipation of a rate hike in the United States. This could even push the Philippine peso beyond the 50 (per dollar) level," said Manny Cruz, an analyst with Manila-based Asiasec Equities Inc. The peso touched a two-week low of 49.870 against the dollar, before paring its losses, helped by greenback selling from domestic players. "I think it is risk-off ahead of Tuesday's Fed meeting," said Victor Felix, an analyst with AB Capital Securities in Manila. Explains why it was bleeding today. Well, we're more exposed to developed countries at this point actually
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wodenus
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Dec 12 2016, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 12 2016, 08:42 PM) could low risk means no matter how volatile it is, the 3 yrs volatily % is way no where close to some Eq funds.....unless the bond funds has currency risk/exposure mandate I have no idea what they mean, you can't move forward while looking backward
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wodenus
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Dec 12 2016, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 12 2016, 08:42 PM) I would suggest this 10myr bet to be placed based on inflation rates and interests (compounding) yearly I think I misunderstood him, he's just being enthusiastic not sarcastic
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wodenus
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Dec 12 2016, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 12 2016, 08:17 PM) so this one would be talking about partly under "Management Risk" ?? This is what we call "opportunity cost"  unit trusts are low-risk by design. This is management risk http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/managementrisk.asp - pretty much mitigated by having more than one person in management. You will have that risk if the fund manager allows one person too much freedom in action. Then you end up like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Leeson case. This post has been edited by wodenus: Dec 13 2016, 02:02 AM
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wodenus
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Dec 13 2016, 02:12 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 13 2016, 12:47 AM) Only European fund open to us is TA Europe. you have that in your arsenal bro? What about https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...y-Alpha-MYAMSEE ?
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wodenus
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Dec 13 2016, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 13 2016, 10:04 AM) The concept of risk is very different from a lay-person point of view versus an academics'. A lay-person p.o.v. risk can mean anything from losing capital, to not earning enough compared to FD to tens of other reasons. All this mean something to them , but if you ask them to quantify it, they will give you a blank stare. From an academics' p.o.v. risk is mutually agreed to be a deviation from the expected return also known as variance. Hence standard - deviation is the measurement or quantification of the degree of risk. NB: Std-dev is the standardization of deviation just like how we use to have inches and feet to measure length, but the metric system is the accepted global standard to measure length. When you can quantify something, then we can start managing that something. Hence, with the ability of quantifying "risk", risk management comes into play. Xuzen Yea I think I get it.. the economic definition of "risk" is different from the average layman's use of the term. People assume that they are both the same, hence the assumption that mutual funds are "risky"
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wodenus
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Dec 13 2016, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 13 2016, 11:14 AM) Yeap. planning to switch Anita to Esther bond as soon as I get my loses back after the bond blood bath. this incident reminded me how fickle our economy is. Or rather how fickle our people are
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Dec 13 2016, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Dec 13 2016, 02:25 PM) Hi guys. I am new here. Previously been invest about 20k in UT with the 5% sc and now get to know this great tool. I was just curious what are the disadvantage of the FSM with lower sc as I know there are no free lunch in this world. Is it they have limited available UT to buy or something? Yes, banks are full-service.. with banks you are paying for the services of a consultant. With FSM you are doing it yourself.
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Dec 13 2016, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Dec 13 2016, 04:38 PM) The consultant doesn't do shit except for printing the name on the statement. True lol.. they're just like glorified salespeople
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wodenus
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Dec 13 2016, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Dec 13 2016, 10:36 PM) What's the difference between Ponzi 1.0 and 2.0 in terms of portfolio again? Anyone still doing top up (not DCA) on Ponzi 1.0? I realised I haven't touch it since 2014. LOL! lol.. actually you can download both the fact sheets and compare
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wodenus
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Dec 14 2016, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 14 2016, 11:24 AM) Nomura underweights Malaysia KUALA LUMPUR: In less than four months, Malaysia’s equity market has been downgraded twice by Nomura as the global investment bank expects the country’s worsening growth outlook to continue in 2017. “We downgraded the market to neutral in September and now [the] further downgrade to underweight reflects a worsening of its growth outlook,” Nomura vice president of equity strategy for Asean and Asia ex-Japan Shubhankar (Mixo) Das said in a media briefing on Nomura Securities’ equities and economic outlook 2017 on Monday. Mixo shared the same view with Nomura economist Euben Paracuelles that many of the country’s supporters of growth are starting to fail, which translates into a weaker earnings profile for the equity market. The Edge Financial Daily reported yesterday that Paracuelles cut Malaysia’s gross domestic product growth forecast for next year to 3.7% from 3.9%. Similarly, he expected the country’s 2018 improvement to be limited, and thus projected a growth of 3.7% as compared with the previous 4.2%. http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/166933It's slowly becoming obvious that socialism and fundamentalism isn't really market-friendly. But at one point this country will get really cheap, and worth picking up - the price of the country will become lower than the value of it, and people aren't stupid to keep voting for socialism and fundamentalism when they can clearly see the effect it has on the economy. This post has been edited by wodenus: Dec 14 2016, 12:07 PM
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wodenus
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Dec 14 2016, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 14 2016, 02:17 PM) Sell them almost monthly. For sustaining I'm following some concept from the book The Art of Investing and Portfolio Management, using 3-tiered portfolio strategy. Tier 1 is for short term consisting of bond & cash that can provide 2 years of cash flow need. Mine are FI UT, cash etc. Tier 2 is for mid term, 2 to 10 years need consisting a balanced of stock & bond. Mine are EPF, UT, stocks & ETF. Tier 3 is long term growth, mainly growth stocks. I'm using resources UT & stocks, stock options & forex for this. You can achieve long-term growth with forex and stock options?
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wodenus
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Dec 14 2016, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 14 2016, 02:36 PM) Key word is growth, which is higher risk, adding $$$ to your account quickly. You can sell option premium and get $1k monthly depending on your capital. Forex can get about 10-20% monthly. Since they are high risk, you don't allocate big portion of your wealth to them, 5-10% will do, and they are your engine of growth in your retirement years. Of course they are not the only tools, there are UT & stocks as well. So when you are old, you will dedicate 10% of your life savings to an ultra-high-risk investment, and depend on it to finance your living expenses? This post has been edited by wodenus: Dec 14 2016, 03:13 PM
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wodenus
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Dec 15 2016, 08:08 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 14 2016, 05:35 PM) some articles mention China as all doom and gloom and India too. take everything with a pinch of salt This. All blow water only, use them only as an advice and guide
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wodenus
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Dec 15 2016, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Dec 15 2016, 08:03 AM) sorry how much did yellen raise the rates? i keeping seeing 2 percent. surely not that much? Unlikely to be that much.
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wodenus
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Dec 15 2016, 08:12 AM
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 14 2016, 10:52 PM) Just gotta ask, what is money market? What are the products in Malaysia under this category? http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/moneymarket.asp - this is where you park your cash while you wait for opportunities. This is also where the proceeds usually go when you sell a fund.
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