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 FundSuperMart v16 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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prince_mk
post Oct 28 2016, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 09:30 PM)
just keep kap chai la bro. don't be like me. I see not good I go switch 6 months the road the fund NAV goes up. I kept shooting myself in the foot and this ain't the first.

first was ponzi 2.0
then it was Titanic

from there I learnt not to follow other people and keep rolling on ahead

keep it there and divert your investment somewhere else.
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I used to have many overlapping funds. Thanks to some sifu here and Bro Xuzen. They all guided me to have a balance diversified portfolio.

Will do some reading and sharing frm other forum members too.
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post Oct 28 2016, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 28 2016, 09:42 PM)
I used to have many overlapping funds. Thanks to some sifu here and Bro Xuzen. They all guided me to have a balance diversified portfolio.

Will do some reading and sharing frm other forum members too.
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best comment to follow is from T33H on his risk ratio to percentage of the portfolio into each fund. I'm going along with that.

FSM Funds

Libra Asnita Bond.... (25%)

RHB Asian Income Fund. ....(20%)

Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund ...... (10%)

TA Global Technology Fund... (15%)

CIMB-P Greater China Equity .....(5%)

CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0) ......(20%)

Manulife India.........(5 %)

AmAsia REITs .... (5%)

I agree with this portfolio because it suits my train of thought that we should have a somewhat foundation in our motherland.
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post Oct 28 2016, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 09:39 PM)
not a big fan of prs when I'm going to need that cash to buy myself a wife. my parents are already asking for one.
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The ponzi 2.0 prs will gonna be for long term similar for epf tongue.gif

So I will let ponzi 1 and amasia reits do the job in my normal UT portfolio laugh.gif

At least this is the planning so far smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2016, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 09:47 PM)
best comment to follow is from T33H on his risk ratio to percentage of the portfolio into each fund. I'm going along with that.

FSM Funds

Libra Asnita Bond.... (25%)

RHB Asian Income Fund. ....(20%)

Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund ...... (10%)

TA Global Technology Fund... (15%)

CIMB-P Greater China Equity .....(5%)

CIMB-P Asia Pac (ponzi 2.0) ......(20%)

Manulife India.........(5 %)

AmAsia REITs .... (5%)

I agree with this portfolio because it suits my train of thought that we should have a somewhat foundation in our motherland.
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Wonderful portfolio. Will try to imitate this.

D main reasons I m heavy in KGF due to purchase via epf monies.

Cash were invested in RHB ATRF, Greater China, Amasia Reits.

I used to have Ponzi 1 and 2 but sold alrdy.

This post has been edited by prince_mk: Oct 28 2016, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 28 2016, 10:22 PM)
Wonderful portfolio. Will try to imitate this.

D main reasons I m heavy in KGF due to purchase via epf monies.

Cash were invested in RHB ATRF, Greater China, Amasia Reits.

I used to have Ponzi 1 and 2 but sold alrdy.
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to me I always avoided Kenanga or big malaysia funds because my EPF is already investing in them. no point I diversify fsm portfolio when another investment of mine is already heavily investing in Malaysia.

something we need to consider too
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 10:26 PM)
to me I always avoided Kenanga or big malaysia funds because my EPF is already investing in them. no point I diversify fsm portfolio when another investment of mine is already heavily investing in Malaysia.

something we need to consider too
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How do u knw epf invested in these big funds? Really ah?

Then i should hav diversified into overseas exposed funds.
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 28 2016, 10:32 PM)
How do u knw epf invested in these big funds? Really ah?

Then i should hav diversified into overseas exposed funds.
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that's the thing we don't have any idea where epf invest exactly except through news media
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 10:36 PM)
that's the thing we don't have any idea where epf invest exactly except through news media
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As of 30/6/2016
http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/en/web/kwsp/...at-30-june-2016

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post Oct 28 2016, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:01 PM)
now we need to see where this companies get their funding from too
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post Oct 28 2016, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:01 PM)
QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 11:04 PM)
now we need to see where this companies get their funding from too
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Actually how do we interpret the holding percentage in the link?

Like what is the percentage of issue share means to the EPF investment portfolio? icon_question.gif

65.39% of Malaysia Building Society Bhd is relative to what in EPF?

Anyone can explain so that the info can be somehow relate it into UT holding context to understand the picture smile.gif

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Wow who reported my post just to share info on what EPF invest in.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 28 2016, 11:07 PM)
Actually how do we interpret the holding percentage in the link?

Like what is the percentage of issue share means to the EPF investment portfolio?  icon_question.gif

65.39% of Malaysia Building Society Bhd is relative to what in EPF?

Anyone can explain so that the info can be somehow relate it into UT holding context to understand the picture smile.gif
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you need to see where Kenanga fund funnels their funds to. most likely you need to read the prospectus and then cross check with epf's list of companies it invests in.

from there you will roughly know how much over lap you have when you have prs and epf in one go.

personally I find it counter intuitive when you have a fund similar to epf in a portfolio that will try to out performs better than epf annual returns
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 28 2016, 11:12 PM)
Wow who reported my post just to share info on what EPF invest in.
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People nowadays sweat.gif

Just ignore ba sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 11:17 PM)
you need to see where Kenanga fund funnels their funds to. most likely you need to read the prospectus and then cross check with epf's list of companies it invests in.

from there you will roughly know how much over lap you have when you have prs and epf in one go.

personally I find it counter intuitive when you have a fund similar to epf in a portfolio that will try to out performs better than epf annual returns
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But I dont understand the content in the EPF link?

Mind explain to me? laugh.gif
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post Oct 28 2016, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 28 2016, 11:20 PM)
But I dont understand the content in the EPF link?

Mind explain to me? laugh.gif
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think of this as the funds EPF invest in and what you see here is the portfolio of each fund it invest in.

mind you it's only top 30. I know epf has started investing in international equities.


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post Oct 28 2016, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 28 2016, 04:51 PM)
Walao, everyone is making a move today. Then I also have to share my "trading" info from this morning.  biggrin.gif

1.  Switched the excess profits from Ponzi 2 into CIMB Global Titans (top up).
2.  Switched from TA Dana Afif into TA Global Technology and TA European Equity Funds (buying back these 2 new unit trusts as part of my portfolio)
3.  Bought Eastspring Bond Fund (to switch later into Eastspring Global Leaders Fund).
4.  Topped up RHB Small Cap Opportunity Unit Trust and RHB Asian Income Fund.
5.  Bought RHB Asian Total Return Fund (buying back this new fund as part of my portfolio).

That's it folks. My 'minor' transactions for today.    tongue.gif
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Question - why cimb GTF and ES global leaders fund both at the same time?

RHB ATR - still got legs to run? Usd:RM is 4.2 today. But I may be biased la, I sold 2/3 jor

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 04:56 PM)
when was your last portfolio reformat? that's a huge overhaul. what made you do that?
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If u followed your own advice and read his comments in the past versions you would know that the boss above has 6 digit worth of credits in one of his many acts. So this is definitely not a major revamp. Probably just 'trade for thrills'
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deleted. double post.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 11:24 PM)
think of this as the funds EPF invest in and what you see here is the portfolio of each fund it invest in.

mind you it's only top 30. I know epf has started investing in international equities.
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But is the percentage quoted in the link means the holding percentage (which doesnt make sense since they are quite large and easily over 200% in total)?

That is the part I dont really understand about Percentage Of Issued Shares, how does this make it relative to the percent of holding?

Or the percentage means the amount of shares EPF hold in that particular holding?
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 28 2016, 11:32 PM)
But is the percentage quoted in the link means the holding percentage (which doesnt make sense since they are quite large and easily over 200% in total)?

That is the part I dont really understand about Percentage Of Issued Shares, how does this make it relative to the percent of holding?

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percentage means the amount of shares EPF hold in that particular holding

bingo.

now dig where KGF invest in.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 28 2016, 11:32 PM)
But is the percentage quoted in the link means the holding percentage (which doesnt make sense since they are quite large and easily over 200% in total)?

That is the part I dont really understand about Percentage Of Issued Shares, how does this make it relative to the percent of holding?

Or the percentage means the amount of shares EPF hold in that particular holding?
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Hi, it means if the company has issued 1,000,000 shares to date and EPF holds 50% of the issued shares, it means EPF has 500,000 shares and owns 50% of the company. Hope that is clear enough.

To add some colors to this: EPF might not hold these shares directly, but through external fund managers instead. EPF would have some of their money "outsourced" to external fund managers (think Aberdeen Asset, CIMB Principal Asset, Kenanga, RHB, Eastspring etc) for them to invest on behalf of EPF. For example, when those external fund managers buy Maybank stock in their portfolio managed for EPF, its also counted as EPF's shareholding.

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