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joe_mamak
post Oct 20 2016, 12:09 PM

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Sure blame alternative media one.

But mainstream media, even those owned by BN entities are reporting the same.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...t-not-the-name/

Excerpt -
Jakim had recommended that pretzel store franchise Auntie Anne's change the name of its "Pretzel Dog" to "Pretzel Sausage" in order to receive a halal certification.


http://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/10/181336/...change-malaysia

Excerpt -
Food outlets in Muslim-majority Malaysia must rename hotdogs or risk being refused halal certification, a government religious authority said today.


joe_mamak
post Oct 20 2016, 12:26 PM

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Here is the initial MalaysiaKini report -

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/359365

Exec: Auntie Anne's halal application rejected over 'Pretzel Dog'
Published 17 Oct 2016, 5:53 pm
Updated 18 Oct 2016, 5:45 pm

'Pretzel Dog', a sausage wrapped in a pretzel, is one of the reasons why popular pretzel chain Auntie Anne's was not granted halal certification by the Department of Islamic Development (Jakim).

Auntie Anne's quality assurance cum halal executive Farhatul Kamilah Mohamed Sazali said the company has proposed a new name and is awaiting feedback from Jakim.

Section 3.7.4 of the Malaysian halal food guidelines states: "Halal food and halal artificial flavour shall not be named or synonymously named after non-halal products such as ham, bak kut teh, bacon, beer, rum and others that might create confusion."

"Once we have Jakim's decision, we will change our menu boards before making a fresh application (for halal status)," she wrote on Facebook.

She said Jakim also instructed Auntie Anne's to apply for certification for its central kitchen, and to make separate applications for outlets according to zones to simplify the auditing process.


Farhatul said the initial application was for all 45 outlets in Malaysia.

"This happened to Sushi King as well, which initially only had halal certification for several outlets because the certification was granted according to zones even though the products are from one central kitchen," she wrote.

She stressed that Auntie Anne's is striving to pass the Jakim's stringent halal audit, which also involves hygiene and cleanliness checks on outlets and food handlers.

She also urged Muslims who feel doubtful over Auntie Anne's products, to refrain from consuming the products until the Jakim certification is obtained.

"I am also a Muslim and this is my obligation as a Muslim. Pray that I succeed in securing the halal certification," she said.

"Once Auntie Anne's is certified halal by Jakim, I suggest that you try Eclair Six and Jalapeno Cheese, because they are both my favourite products," she quipped.

Last month Rural and Regional Development Minister Ismail Sabri proposed that procedures for halal certification be relaxed for bumiputera-owned firms where all workers are Muslim.

He says this is because such firms have limited capital to fulfill Jakim's stringent requirements.

Following this, the Malaysian Muslim Consumers Association (PPIM) urged a two-tier halal certificate to assist small traders who have difficulty meeting Jakim's requirements.

PPIM estimates that less than 20 percent of halal certificate holders are Muslim corporations because Malay traders find it difficult to surpass Jakim's hurdles.

PPIM also opposed Rubber Industry Smallholders Development Authority (Risda)'s move to launch a halal logo specifically for Muslim-made products.

The 'by Muslims' logo, said to be to help Muslim entrepreneurs make forays into halal markets locally and abroad, would cause confusion, said PPIM.

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post Oct 20 2016, 12:28 PM

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Malay version. Not that different, but perhaps slightly clearer that there were other conditions that they did not fulfill.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/359392


'Anak dara Makcik Anne' jawab isu halal Jakim
17 Okt 2016, 9:19 malam
17 Okt 2016, 9:23 malam

Nama makanan 'pretzel dog' antara sebab Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia (Jakim) menolak permohonan sijil halal rangkaian makanan berasaskan roti pretzel Auntie Anne's.

“Nama menu ‘pretzel dog’ haruslah ditukar kepada nama yang lebih sesuai.

“Saya telah mencadangkan beberapa nama baru dan masih menunggu keputusan mesyuarat panel daripada Jakim.

“Setelah kami mendapat keputusannya, kami harus menukar kesemua menu board (papan menu) sebelum proceed (teruskan) kepada permohonan baru," kata penyelia kualiti dan eksekutif halal syarikat itu Farhatul Kamilah Mohamed Sazali.

Selain itu, Jakim juga dikatakan meminta Auntie Anne's memohon sijil halal bagi dapur utama tempat proses pembungkusan semula dilakukan sebelum mereka meneruskan permohonan bagi outlet.

Farhatul Kamilah juga berkata beliau juga telah memohon sijil halal bagi kesemua 45 outlet Auntie Anne’s bawah satu permohonan tetapi diminta diasingkan mengikut zon untuk memudahkan proses audit.

“Situasi ini juga pernah berlaku kepada jenama Sushi King,” kata Farhatul Kamilah yang secara berjenaka memperkenalkan dirinya sebagai “Anak dara Makcik Anne”.

Menulis di Facebook beliau hari ini, Farhatul Kamilah juga berkata bagi dapur pusat, beliau telah melepasi peringkat pertama dan sedang menunggu proses audit dari Jakim.

Mengulas status semasa syarikat itu, beliau berkata walaupun Auntie Anne’s bukan pemegang sijil halal Jakim tetapi mereka sedang berusaha ke arah itu.

Katanya, Jakim mempunyai standard sangat tinggi dan bukan hanya memfokuskan kepada status halal bahan makanan, tetapi juga kebersihan outlet dan pengendali makanan.

“Saya juga seorang Muslim dan ini adalah salah satu tanggungjawab fardu kifayah saya untuk umat Islam,” katanya.

Bagaimanapun, katanya lagi, bagi yang was-was tapi mahu juga mencuba pretzel Auntie Anne’s, beliau mencadangkan mereka menunggu sehingga disahkan halal terlebih dahulu.

Katanya, perkara yang syubhah sudah jatuh haram untuk orang Islam memakannya.

“Jika Auntie Anne’s sudah disahkan halal oleh Jakim, saya cadangkan anda beli éclair stix dan jalapeno cheese kerana kedua-duanya favourite (kegemaran) saya,” katanya lagi.

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post Oct 20 2016, 12:34 PM

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MalaysiaKini went further, they seeked clarification from Jakim.

I checked other news, The Star and NST but couldn't find a similar report.

So, this is just one report or one side of the coin from MalaysiaKini.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/359470

Sebab rujuk pada anjing, Jakim mahu 'dog' jadi 'sausage'
Anne Muhammad
18 Okt 2016, 1:42 tengahari
18 Okt 2016, 2:07 tengahari

Jabatan Kemajuan Islam Malaysia (Jakim) menyarankan Auntie Anne's menukar nama makanan mereka daripada 'pretzel dog’ kepada ‘pretzel sausage’ untuk memudahkan memperoleh sijil halal.

Pengarah Bahagian Hab Halal Jakim Dr Sirajuddin Suhaimee berkata panel penilaian jabatan itu sebelum ini tidak dapat mempertimbangkan permohonan Auntie Anne's kerana perkataan dog merujuk kepada anjing dalam bahasa Inggeris.

“(Tukar kepada) pretzel sausage.

“Ya, (kerana) panel tak dapat pertimbangkan perkataan 'dog' kerana merujuk pada haiwan anjing,” katanya kepada Malaysiakini.

Beliau berkata demikian ketika ditanya sama ada kenapa nama 'pretzel dog' menjadi antara sebab permohonan sijil halal rangkaian makanan roti pretzel itu ditolak.

Sementara itu, ditanya dakwaan bahawa standard persijilan halal Jakim terlalu tinggi, beliau berkata ia mungkin kerana mereka kurang persediaan.

“Standard Persijilan Halal Malaysia adalah satu-satunya standard halal yang diterima di mata dunia.

“Pihak yang mendakwa ia terlalu tinggi kerana kurang kesediaan industri dan juga sikap ambil mudah terhadap pengesahan halal,” katanya.

Semalam Penyelia Kualiti dan Eksekutif Halal syarikat Auntie Anne's Farhatul Kamilah Mohamed Sazali menjelaskan Jakim mahu pretzel dog ditukar kepada nama yang lebih sesuai.

Katanya, beliau telah mengemukakan beberapa nama baru dan masih menunggu keputusan mesyuarat panel Jakim, sebelum menukar papan menu dan membuat permohonan baru.

Farhatul Kamilah juga berkata Jakim mahu permohonan sijil halal bagi dapur berpusat dipohon dahulu sebelum outlet dan permohonan bagi outlet pula hendaklah dibuat secara zon untuk memudahkan audit.

Tak kata tak halal

Sementara itu Jakim melalui kenyataan medianya hari ini mengesahkan bahawa belum ada outlet Auntie Anne's yang mendapat Sijil Pengesahan Halal Malaysia.

“Pihak syarikat pernah mengemukakan permohonan untuk mendapatkan Sijil Pengesahan Halal Malaysia (SPHM) sebelum ini namun ianya tidak dapat diproses atas beberapa isu teknikal seperti dokumen sokongan bahan ramuan.

“Namun selepas beberapa penambahbaikan dilakukan, kini status produk makanan Auntie Anne's adalah dalam proses permohonan Sijil Pengesahan Halal Malaysia dan telah memasuki fasa proses audit halal bagi central kitchen (Dapur Berpusat),” menurut kenyataan itu.

Walaupun begitu, Jakim turut menegaskan bahawa pihaknya tidak pernah mengatakan bahawa produk tersebut tidak halal.

Jelasnya, proses pengeluaran SPHM mengambil kira setiap ramuan dan proses yang berkaitan dalam pengeluaran sesuatu produk dengan teliti oleh pakar syariah dan teknologi makanan.

“Jakim amat menyanjung tinggi usaha dan komitmen pihak industri dalam menyediakan makanan sihat, produk yang bersih serta persekitaran yang kondusif kepada pengguna.

“Justeru, orang ramai adalah dinasihatkan agar sentiasa konsisten dengan pemilihan makanan yang halal lagi baik demi mengekalkan ekosistem halal yang mapan,” menurut Jakim lagi.

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post Oct 20 2016, 01:06 PM

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What I can see here: MK reported all the 3 facts correctly. However due to the curiosity on jakim suggestion to change the product name, MK highlighted this unusual rules rather than the the other 2 which are commonly acceptable sop b4 certification.

Although all medias are bias on certain extend and I personally experienced it myself, I do not find anything wrong of them emphasizing the unusual rules out of the 3 suggestions b4 certification.
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post Oct 20 2016, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Oct 20 2016, 12:09 PM)
Sure blame alternative media one.

But mainstream media, even those owned by BN entities are reporting the same.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...t-not-the-name/

Excerpt -
Jakim had recommended that pretzel store franchise Auntie Anne's change the name of its "Pretzel Dog" to "Pretzel Sausage" in order to receive a halal certification. 
http://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/10/181336/...change-malaysia

Excerpt -
Food outlets in Muslim-majority Malaysia must rename hotdogs or risk being refused halal certification, a government religious authority said today.
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Waa you reply so many, so protective ar uncle.

Wait, my issue here is that, the executive gave 3 reasons (central kitchen, zoning issue and lastly the name), and MK clearly quoted the one that she posted on FB, but MK decided to focus on the name issue, even put it on the title?

It's like you have 3 issues, and you choose to highlight what is possibly the least significant? Where is the logic? Is it because the title sells?

And uh, I dont really follow "mainstream" media anymore, but since you post it here, let me comment on that one by one.

The one posted by thestar was just about the comment made by Dr Maza. There is no cherry picking here, as done by MK.

The one posted by NST, well I agree that is plain stupid. They just focus solely on the name issue.
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post Oct 20 2016, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Oct 20 2016, 11:47 AM)
Because what info that you only saw and info that you omits.
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What are the info that I "saw" and the info that I "omit"?
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post Oct 20 2016, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Oct 20 2016, 01:06 PM)
What I can see here: MK reported all the 3 facts correctly. However due to the curiosity on jakim suggestion to change the product name,  MK highlighted this unusual rules rather than the the other 2  which are commonly acceptable sop b4 certification.

Although all medias are bias on certain extend and I personally experienced it myself, I do not find anything wrong of them emphasizing the unusual rules out of the 3 suggestions b4 certification.
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Curiosity? Or is it because it is the title that will grab people's attention? The other 2 reasons are boring, so dont need to put them on the title lol.

I would be ok if they just put "This company's application is rejected due to many reasons". More reasonable than just focusing on the name, right?
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post Oct 20 2016, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(marlick25 @ Oct 20 2016, 04:14 PM)
Curiosity? Or is it because it is the title that will grab people's attention? The other 2 reasons are boring, so dont need to put them on the title lol.

I would be ok if they just put "This company's application is rejected due to many reasons". More reasonable than just focusing on the name, right?
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Where in the world any media want to highlight any boring commonly understood subject haha. For surelah to attract readership & attention, the unusual rules became the focus point.
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post Oct 20 2016, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(marlick25 @ Oct 20 2016, 04:11 PM)
Waa you reply so many, so protective ar uncle.

Wait, my issue here is that, the executive gave 3 reasons (central kitchen, zoning issue and lastly the name), and MK clearly quoted the one that she posted on FB, but MK decided to focus on the name issue,  even put it on the title?

It's like you have 3 issues, and you choose to highlight what is possibly the least significant? Where is the logic? Is it because the title sells?

And uh, I dont really follow "mainstream" media anymore, but since you post it here, let me comment on that one by one.

The one posted by thestar was just about the comment made by Dr Maza. There is no cherry picking here, as done by MK.

The one posted by NST, well I agree that is plain stupid. They just focus solely on the name issue.
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No, I am not being protective of MalaysiaKini, just like you are not picking fault with MalaysiaKini. smile.gif

I was just pointing out that the other media are doing the same.

You could treat them just like you treat MalaysiaKini. laugh.gif


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post Oct 20 2016, 05:33 PM

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Another earlier Star headline

Rename 'Pretzel Dog' to 'Pretzel Sausage', Jakim tells Auntie Anne's


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post Oct 23 2016, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Oct 20 2016, 05:15 PM)
No,  I am not being protective of MalaysiaKini, just like you are not picking fault with MalaysiaKini.  smile.gif 

I was just pointing out that the other media are doing the same. 

You could treat them just like you treat MalaysiaKini.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Oct 20 2016, 05:33 PM)
Another earlier Star headline

Rename 'Pretzel Dog' to 'Pretzel Sausage', Jakim tells Auntie Anne's
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Ok la uncle. I admit it now, almost all media in Malaysia are stupid and ignorant AF.

The main purpose of "alternative" media was created which is to be a better outlet is just a dream for people like me.

Thank god Malaysia is going down the drain. Isnt that what k wants all this while?

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QUOTE(stimix @ Oct 20 2016, 04:21 PM)
Where in the world any media want to highlight any boring commonly understood subject haha. For surelah to attract readership & attention, the unusual rules became the focus point.
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Well, I get it, but if the title is misleading, then the media is not being responsible at all.

Their credibility is as good as bloggers, if they continue being this way.
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QUOTE(marlick25 @ Oct 23 2016, 08:51 AM)
Well, I get it, but if the title is misleading, then the media is not being responsible at all.

Their credibility is as good as bloggers, if they continue being this way.
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That's how the news has been the past decade or so. Their survival depends on the size of their readership and nothing grabs attention like controversial headlines and reporting. Harian Metro takes that ethos to another level but they're doing better than the rest.
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post Oct 23 2016, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Oct 23 2016, 08:58 AM)
That's how the news has been the past decade or so. Their survival depends on the size of their readership and nothing grabs attention like controversial headlines and reporting. Harian Metro takes that ethos to another level but they're doing better than the rest.
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That was the main reason I stopped reading news from mainstream media (utusan, metroll and other shits?, and the main reason I dont give a crap about news from stupid outlets such as blogs.

For media, there is a thing called social responsibility. They cant just post any news without being held accountable. Controversial news is ok, but dont be misleading. What is the purpose of them (alternative media) being created in the first place if they are not making better news?
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Thats media job....eye grabbing and sensationalist news

Who cares about central kitchen or zoning
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QUOTE(marlick25 @ Oct 20 2016, 04:14 PM)
Curiosity? Or is it because it is the title that will grab people's attention? The other 2 reasons are boring, so dont need to put them on the title lol.

I would be ok if they just put "This company's application is rejected due to many reasons". More reasonable than just focusing on the name, right?
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but it is one of the main reason.

this reason itself already show JAKIM is extremely backward and doesn't respect other people at all.

in 2016, there's still human think 'dog' should not be appear on product name, and I find it amuse rational muslims do not find this ridiculous

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QUOTE(stimix @ Oct 20 2016, 01:06 PM)
What I can see here: MK reported all the 3 facts correctly. However due to the curiosity on jakim suggestion to change the product name,  MK highlighted this unusual rules rather than the the other 2  which are commonly acceptable sop b4 certification.

Although all medias are bias on certain extend and I personally experienced it myself, I do not find anything wrong of them emphasizing the unusual rules out of the 3 suggestions b4 certification.
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Curiosity bullshit.

If you are curious, did u ask or did u straight away show ur assumption of curiosity thru media?

Malaysiakini memang well known for their twist of media reporting, among of them towards PAS news, Dr Maza statement, and Islamic related department or institutions.
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post Oct 23 2016, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(marlick25 @ Oct 23 2016, 08:49 AM)
Ok la uncle. I admit it now, almost all media in Malaysia are stupid and ignorant AF.

The main purpose of "alternative" media was created which is to be a better outlet is just a dream for people like me.

Thank god Malaysia is going down the drain. Isnt that what k wants all this while?
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I don't think you get it.

But that's ok.

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