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happyharpinghorse
post Dec 23 2016, 04:31 PM

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Hello all, have some newbie questions on non-market stuff.

Regarding the profits you guys make, do you guys declare as investment income abroad? Just curious because if you want to repatriate/bring back your money and you have periodic or lump sum money coming in to your domestic accounts from Cyprus or wherever your broker is without reporting, surely eventually tax or AMLA flers will come knocking? I'd assume the method to calculate would be to take year end account balance minus the year's beginning account balance, equals your investment income?

I previously opened an account with hotforex but burned through it on a stupid action some time back - now hopefully I know better and am looking to dip back in (but USDMYR much more painful now to buy in...).

Appreciate any help you guys could provide on this matter. Happy trading!

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post Dec 23 2016, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Alissa_1989 @ Dec 23 2016, 05:55 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax#Malaysia

In fact, tax is a small matter if you really got a large profit and Malaysia does not have capital gain tax. If want a confirmed answer, you can bring your statement and whatever written document to lawyer and accounting firms that normally handle tax issue to seek consultant. Let say, if you can make a profit of USD100k, why need to care to pay a few hundred in RM for consultant fee.

I much more curious on how can you bank-in your money to bank without being blocked by BNM.  Pls share your story if I am wrong.
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Ya, what I had in mind was capital gains or investment income, tax bucket is 0% anyway, just report to be safe.

As for bringing back profits... I wasn't profitable tongue.gif so can't share any experience. But there was an option for the broker to TT the money in, directly to a bank account of choice. Which I presume would trigger a phone call from the bank, regarding money laundering queries, but shouldn't be an issue to clarify lah. The BNM forex trading is illegal ruling applies to speculating with MYR - ie. If you have a USD account you punt with, no issue. It is made to prevent people from allowing you to open a trading account in MYR (eg some brokerage firms allow you to open a GBP or EUR account instead of USD as base currency).

AllInGap: i was told by a friend who tried to open an account with a bank in Singapore, seems it is basically impossible for us unless you work there, have business there, or are studying there. Very strict requirements. Do correct me if I'm wrong though?

This post has been edited by happyharpinghorse: Dec 23 2016, 10:15 PM
happyharpinghorse
post Dec 24 2016, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(Alissa_1989 @ Dec 23 2016, 10:56 PM)
I see. I guess you read the recent news about speculating MYR, but it is not relevant to MT4 trading here. That speculating MYR one really HAVE OWNED certain money in physical form or maybe saving in bank account. In other words, they are doing money exchange in a very large amount, so government do not want change money in so large amount money.

MT4 trading is not doing money exchange because ppl does not own any physical asset of money when do trading. In other words, you are just guessing the direction of the index number (index number of exchange rate) when open trade or close trade.

The call from bank is not aimed to trace any money laundering action, but bank want to keep a record as evidence in case one day the authority/auditor wants to see the record.  To avoid any confusion or misunderstanding, you should read another old existing rule 2013.

http://www.bnm.gov.my/microsites/fraudalert/0203_forex.htm
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Thanks for the link. Anyway from looks of it they are targetting the frauds ie fly by night operators. The recent BNM news about "speculators" actually is in the sense of speculators in the offshore MYR market, which they deem illegal (as MYR strictly controlled currency), but can't do anything since outside their jurisdiction... Normal people like us will never come into contact with this market... So I'm not worried about that lah. Thanks for sharing regarding the bank call though! Would have thought its mostly money laundering concerns.

But now that you mention it, ya I remember in the broker clause got mention something like, a long position doesn't mean you hold the currency... Something like contract for difference.

AllnGap - thanks... Maybe need to ask relative in Singapore open joint account tongue.gif this would be the most no-headache way to go about things though!

This post has been edited by happyharpinghorse: Dec 24 2016, 12:23 AM
happyharpinghorse
post Dec 28 2016, 04:51 PM

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Thanks Troller, didn't know they had an office in KL. That being said, since its not a branch/subsidiary the account and money still have to sit in Europe. And unfortunately as a sales rep office, they wouldn't "talk" to BNM or tax dept if there are any queries... Guess best practice still to ensure all our trade ticket emails are kept and we have a nice paper trail for our own protection.

Villageboy: for SGD50 think better to accumulate more first... From pepperstone website looks like wire charges can be AUD20... Ugh.

CMK: considered very good already lor... Could have been worse tongue.gif also BNM issued a pat on the back statement on their website today.

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