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post Oct 17 2016, 06:52 PM, updated 10y ago

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Response from Auntie Anne's Halal Exec.

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[Isu Status Halal Auntie Anne’s]

Saya bekerja sebagai QA Executive merangkap Halal Executive di Auntie Anne's Malaysia. Saya merupakan pemegang Ijazah Kejuruteraan Teknologi Kimia (Makanan) dan adalah seorang ‘certified’ Halal Executive dibawah badan Halal Development Corporation (HDC). Penyataan ini bukanlah untuk meninggi diri, tetapi bertujuan untuk mempertahankan kreadibiliti saya bagi menjawab isu status halal di tempat saya bekerja.

"Permohonan halal Auntie Anne's (HALAL-20160627) ditolak JAKIM"

Ya betul, permohonan kami telah ditolak atas beberapa isu. Isu-isunya adalah seperti berikut:-

1) JAKIM meminta kami untuk memohon sijil halal bagi Central Kitchen (CK) dahulu dimana proses re-packing dilakukan sebelum meneruskan permohonan bagi outlet.

2) Saya telah memohon sijil halal bagi kesemua 45 outlet Auntie Anne’s dibawah satu permohonan. JAKIM telah menolak permohonan dan meminta saya untuk mengasingkan permohonan mengikut zon untuk memudahkan proses audit. Situasi ini juga pernah berlaku kepada jenama Sushi King. Pada mulanya, hanya beberapa outlet sahaja yang disahkan halal kerana proses ini dijalankan secara berperingkat dan mengikut zon walaupun semua produknya adalah daripada CK yang sama.

3) Nama menu ‘Pretzel Dog’ haruslah ditukar kepada nama yang lebih sesuai. Saya telah mencadangkan beberapa nama baru dan masih menunggu keputusan mesyuarat panel dari pihak JAKIM. Setelah kami mendapat keputusannya, kami harus menukar kesemua menuboard sebelum proceed kepada permohonan baru.

Untuk pengetahuan semua, saya telah menghantar permohonan bagi CK. Kami telah melepasi peringkat pertama dan sudah pun menjelaskan bayaran dan sedang menunggu proses audit dari JAKIM. Saya sertakan surat dan resit bayaran dalam post ini.

Ingin saya tegaskan, Auntie Anne’s BUKAN pemegang sijil halal JAKIM tetapi kami sedang BERUSAHA kearah itu. JAKIM mempunyai standard yang sangat tinggi yang harus diikuti oleh semua pemegang sijil halal JAKIM. Pihak JAKIM bukan hanya memfokuskan kepada status halal bahan makanan, tetapi juga kebersihan outlet  dan pengendali makanan. Saya juga seorang Muslim dan ini adalah salah satu tanggungjawab fardhu kifayah saya untuk umat Islam. Doakan saya berjaya smile.gif

Bagi yang was-was tapi mahu juga mencuba pretzel Auntie Anne’s, saya cadangkan anda menunggu sehingga kami disahkan halal terlebih dahulu kerana perkara yang syubhah sudah jatuh haram untuk kita memakannya. Jika Auntie Anne’s sudah disahkan halal oleh JAKIM, saya cadangkan anda beli Éclair Stix dan Jalapeno Cheese, kerana kedua-duanya favourite saya smile.gif

Ikhlas,

Anak dara Makcik Anne

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QUOTE(nearlee @ Oct 17 2016, 06:53 PM)
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Omg anak dara makcik anne later must go sell ptlretzel roadside. Sure can make profit better than engineer.
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3) Nama menu ‘Pretzel Dog’ haruslah ditukar kepada nama yang lebih sesuai. Saya telah mencadangkan beberapa nama baru dan masih menunggu keputusan mesyuarat panel dari pihak JAKIM. Setelah kami mendapat keputusannya, kami harus menukar kesemua menuboard sebelum proceed kepada permohonan baru.
yea saya setuju yang ini adalah bodoh sama sekali
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Hotdogs should be changed to batangpanas.
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QUOTE(pinkfoxlulu @ Oct 17 2016, 06:59 PM)
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PRETZEL DOG KENOT

HOT DOG KEN

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QUOTE(wildshot_willy @ Oct 17 2016, 07:00 PM)
Hotdogs should be changed to batangpanas.
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Like anyone cared about the name Pretzel Dog or even the Halal status.... every time pass by Auntie Anne sure long line ppl buy.... and many of them are Melei....
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QUOTE(smallbug @ Oct 17 2016, 07:30 PM)
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QUOTE(wildshot_willy @ Oct 17 2016, 07:00 PM)
Hotdogs should be changed to batangpanas.
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Gaji dia makan tak haram ke ?
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post Oct 17 2016, 08:20 PM

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fine, its not halal. dont eat it then.
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Why do Auntie Anne's even bother? I see ship loads of Malays buy their stuff anyways. Heck they even work there laugh.gif
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QUOTE(beeMay @ Oct 17 2016, 08:20 PM)
fine, its not halal. dont eat it then.
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bukan tak halal sebab bahan.

tak dapat sijil halal disebabkan penggunaan nama yang mengelirukan dan atas sebab administrative i.e. cawangan seluruh negara tapi longgok permohonan lump sum bawah satu region sahaja.
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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Oct 17 2016, 08:26 PM)
bukan tak halal sebab bahan.

tak dapat sijil halal disebabkan penggunaan nama yang mengelirukan dan atas sebab administrative i.e. cawangan seluruh negara tapi longgok permohonan lump sum bawah satu region sahaja.
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not really. they have 3 reasons. one is about the name, another one is about repackage their pretzels. I dunno what should they repackage actually cause auntie anne's packaging is good with homemade concept.
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QUOTE(beeMay @ Oct 17 2016, 08:30 PM)
not really. they have 3 reasons. one is about the name, another one is about repackage their pretzels. I dunno what should they repackage actually cause auntie anne's packaging is good with homemade concept.
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didn't realise that repakaging part. tapi longgok application tu berkaitan "audit" region tu.
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Response from Auntie Anne's Halal Exec.
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just because the name is PRETZEL DOG doesn't mean it contains DOG

hot dog=got dog meh?

no wonder malaysia a&w root beer become sarsaparilla

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Hotdog brader burger tepi jalan is haroom also is it?
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QUOTE(Eralus @ Oct 17 2016, 08:28 PM)
Aku telan je.anyway byk lagi restoren/kedai haram org melayu kat tepi jalan.. Yg boleh nampak dgn mata kepala sendiri kekotorannya. Jenis kedai cmtu kalau apply sijill halal for sure kene reject awal2 dek jakim..tipical Malay viral all the way
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Mamak with staff kincin and vera but no wash hands and cook you the roti is halal.
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Within the Christian Church, pretzels were regarded as having religious significance for both ingredients and shape. The knot shape has been claimed to represent hands in prayer.[1]

Moreover, the three holes within the pretzel represent the three persons of the Holy Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretzel
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QUOTE(yummymommy @ Oct 17 2016, 09:38 PM)
Within the Christian Church, pretzels were regarded as having religious significance for both ingredients and shape. The knot shape has been claimed to represent hands in prayer.[1]

Moreover, the three holes within the pretzel represent the three persons of the Holy Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretzel
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I suggest pls if feel offended stop eating. Padahal the queue all orang kito.
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muslim yang butthurt ke, non-muslim yang butthurt.

orang islam simple ajer. kalau tak ada label, kami guna ilmu. tapi yang nak pakai label, jangan menyeleweng, jangan salah label. itu aje.

non-muslim aje yang menyalak lebih nak buat isu. padahal ada label atau tidak, bukan affect non-muslim pun. kan? taliban-lah sangat.

in a perfect, respectful world, tak perlu pun label halal ni. tapi sebab ramai muslim dan non-muslim yang menyeleweng kepercayaan yang diberi, makin lama makin ketat peraturannya. sama-sama salah.
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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Oct 17 2016, 09:45 PM)
muslim yang butthurt ke, non-muslim yang butthurt.

orang islam simple ajer. kalau tak ada label, kami guna ilmu. tapi yang nak pakai label, jangan menyeleweng, jangan salah label. itu aje.

non-muslim aje yang menyalak lebih nak buat isu. padahal ada label atau tidak, bukan affect non-muslim pun. kan? taliban-lah sangat.

in a perfect, respectful world, tak perlu pun label halal ni. tapi sebab ramai muslim dan non-muslim yang menyeleweng kepercayaan yang diberi, makin lama makin ketat peraturannya. sama-sama salah.
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Bukan itu, just disagree with Jakim halal approach yg lebih2 nak punish business yg come forward nak tunjuk cooperatiom towards halal. Bukan memudahkan tapi makin menyusahkan.

Kenapa kat negara non muslim mcm Taiwan, halal certification diorg lagi friendly kepada business yg mau adopt halal berbanding Jakim.


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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Oct 17 2016, 10:00 PM)
Bukan itu, just disagree with Jakim halal approach yg lebih2 nak punish business yg come forward nak tunjuk cooperatiom towards halal. Bukan memudahkan tapi makin menyusahkan.

Kenapa kat negara non muslim mcm Taiwan, halal certification diorg lagi friendly kepada business yg mau adopt halal berbanding Jakim.
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Da la tu. Bukannya paham ulamak ni. Org ketawakan dia tp ingat kita butthurt lak. Hahahahahaha!
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Oct 17 2016, 10:00 PM)
Bukan itu, just disagree with Jakim halal approach yg lebih2 nak punish business yg come forward nak tunjuk cooperatiom towards halal. Bukan memudahkan tapi makin menyusahkan.

Kenapa kat negara non muslim mcm Taiwan, halal certification diorg lagi friendly kepada business yg mau adopt halal berbanding Jakim.
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kita tak tahu, tak lalui proses pensijilan tu. macam mana nak tahu mereka memang tak membantu?

dan dibangkitkan baru ini - lebih banyak non-muslim mendapatkan pensijilan berbanding muslim sendiri. tersebut juga yang ada banyak consultancy berkenaan pensijilan halal ni.

macam nak dapatkan ISO juga, mana aci mengelat. either fulfil, or not fulfil. black or white, no gray area. benda halal haram berkait amal ibadat, berkait akhlak. kalaulah agama lain ada sesuatu yang boleh memberi kesan masuk neraka atau syurga, tentu penganut agama lain juga akan jadi fussy, itu boleh, ini tak boleh.
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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Oct 17 2016, 07:25 PM)
PRETZEL DOG KENOT

HOT DOG KEN

#LOGIC
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mungkin hot dog biasa mahal kot dan pretzel dog murah

deswai butthurt tu
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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Oct 17 2016, 08:22 PM)
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QUOTE(Darth Vaper @ Oct 17 2016, 10:43 PM)
I suggest pls if feel offended stop eating. Padahal the queue all orang kito.
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Thats the purpose of this person raising the issue for awareness

Amar makruf nahi mungkar

Ramai yg tak tahu dan beli, sebab auntie anne and cinnabon's strategy pakai bau roti diorg tu utk tarik pelanggan

Ramai yg akan terperdaya

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Cinnabon, the bakery chain, places ovens near the front of its stores so the enticing smell of warm cinnamon rolls escapes when oven doors open, says Kat Cole, president of Cinnabon, a unit of Focus Brands Inc.

The bakeries are intentionally located in malls or airports, not outside, so smells can linger.

Over time, the company has recognized that aroma is a huge part of its formula, Ms. Cole says. Putting ovens in the back of stores at a test location "significantly" lowered sales, she says.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/...nger-1400627455

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Thats the purpose of this person raising the issue for awareness

Amar makruf nahi mungkar

Ramai yg tak tahu dan beli, sebab auntie anne and cinnabon's strategy pakai bau roti diorg tu utk tarik pelanggan

Ramai yg akan terperdaya

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kita tak tahu, tak lalui proses pensijilan tu. macam mana nak tahu mereka memang tak membantu?

dan dibangkitkan baru ini - lebih banyak non-muslim mendapatkan pensijilan berbanding muslim sendiri. tersebut juga yang ada banyak consultancy berkenaan pensijilan halal ni.

macam nak dapatkan ISO juga, mana aci mengelat. either fulfil, or not fulfil. black or white, no gray area. benda halal haram berkait amal ibadat, berkait akhlak. kalaulah agama lain ada sesuatu yang boleh memberi kesan masuk neraka atau syurga, tentu penganut agama lain juga akan jadi fussy, itu boleh, ini tak boleh.
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Golden churn, cadbury dan mcm2 lg.

Nampak lepas tu ko defend approach yg fussy dan punitive, single track mind betul. Jangan tau memaksa dan mendenda sj, patut encourage org mendekati industri halal.
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Yeh, actually kita smua patut tau kan? Yg kami tau hanya byk controversy sebelum ni berkenaan sijil halal, bukan kali pertama isu begini

Golden churn, cadbury dan mcm2 lg.

Nampak lepas tu ko defend approach yg fussy dan punitive, single track mind betul. Jangan tau memaksa dan mendenda sj, patut encourage org mendekati industri halal.
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iye. fitrah manusia. yang nampak macam muslim fussy benda halal haram ni, sebab kesannya besar. tapi andaikata bukan muslim juga ada tuntutan yang seumpamanya, mungkin bukan muslim juga akan fussy untuk memenuhi tuntutan tersebut.

yang golden churn, cadbury tu, aku tak ambil pot. pasal aku tak consume. auntie anne ni ada juga aku consume 2, kali. tak perlu tanda halal, guna ilmu.

aku tak rasa jakim niat nak denda atau menyusahkan. pensijilan tu pun opsyenal. cuma bila aunti anne nak go for it, patuhilah syarat-syaratnya. peniaga lain pun tertakluk kepada syarat yang sama, tak ada pula bising bila kena reject for revision.
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iye. fitrah manusia. yang nampak macam muslim fussy benda halal haram ni, sebab kesannya besar. tapi andaikata bukan muslim juga ada tuntutan yang seumpamanya, mungkin bukan muslim juga akan fussy untuk memenuhi tuntutan tersebut.

yang golden churn, cadbury tu, aku tak ambil pot. pasal aku tak consume. auntie anne ni ada juga aku consume 2,  kali. tak perlu tanda halal, guna ilmu.

aku tak rasa jakim niat nak denda atau menyusahkan. pensijilan tu pun opsyenal. cuma bila aunti anne nak go for it, patuhilah syarat-syaratnya. peniaga lain pun tertakluk kepada syarat yang sama, tak ada pula bising bila kena reject for revision.
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biggrin.gif lol siapalaa yg makan tong butter tp kuih lapis hari tu byk dibuanh sebab isu tu.

Sy rasa bro tak dapat fahami apa yg sy cuba sampaikan.
Bro patut study dulu pensijilan halal di negara2 lain yg mempunyai approach yg berbeza dari Jakim. Tapi at one time, logo halal dari negara luar pun tak diiktirad Jakim. Kenapa?

Patut ada pendekatan baru dalam pensijilan halal yg tak membantutkan industri halal.
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makan sayur jer, cukup. oh wait...baja tak halal
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baja babi in perspective - baja najis babi tu sendiri haram dari segi sifat najis.
tapi hasil penggunaan i.e. tanaman, tak salah dimakan tetapi lebih kepada dielakkan kalau dah tahu berbajakan najis babi. lagipun jenuh nak samak sertu najis yang masih melekat tu...

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Muzakarah Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan bagi Hal Ehwal Agama Islam Malaysia kali ke-2 yang bersidang pada 12-13 Mei 1981 telah memutuskan bahawa berdasarkan nas daripada kitab tersebut, mesyuarat Jawatankuasa Fatwa menyatakan bahawa baja yang diperbuat daripada tahi babi adalah najis mughalazah, sementara hukum menggunakannya sebagai baja adalah harus serta makruh.

Hasil tanaman yang menggunakan baja daripada najis mughalazah harus dimakan kerana telah berubah daripada zat nutrien kepada pokok dan seterusnya membuahkan hasil.


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biggrin.gif lol siapalaa yg makan tong butter tp kuih lapis hari tu byk dibuanh sebab isu tu.

Sy rasa bro tak dapat fahami apa yg sy cuba sampaikan.
Bro patut study dulu pensijilan halal di negara2 lain yg mempunyai approach yg berbeza dari Jakim. Tapi at one time, logo halal dari negara luar pun tak diiktirad Jakim. Kenapa?

Patut ada pendekatan baru dalam pensijilan halal yg tak membantutkan industri halal.
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entah. sapa yang buang butter dan cokelat? tongue.gif

anyway, sekarang, stamp halal dari negara pengeluar dah diterima. impractical untuk hantar inspektor jakim ke luar negara periksa kilang dan accepted practice negara pengeluar.

aku tak rasa jakim menyusahkan dari segi pensijilan ni. cuma aunti anne in particular jadikan issue dengan war-warkan dan ramai terpengaruh seolah-olah jakim ni remeh temeh. syarat tu dah tertulis, auntie anne memang tak patuhi. jumpa borang terus isi, submit. tak baca habis kut...
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patut study dulu pensijilan halal di negara2 lain yg mempunyai approach yg berbeza dari Jakim. Tapi at one time, logo halal dari negara luar pun tak diiktirad Jakim. Kenapa?

Patut ada pendekatan baru dalam pensijilan halal yg tak membantutkan industri halal.
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Dunno wor anyone can advise? I long time no masuk a&w already.
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I hope this doesn't affect their application.

Also, this doesn't affect her job.
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No offence to those people who care so much about the halal certificate but sometimes i find this to be really confusing. Shouldn't the JAKIM should have just check whether the product was halal or not like check whether it contain babi DNA or the cow/lamb/chicken was killed in proper way and then only give halal certificate? Why they need to govern the whole manufacturing process like eg. cleanliness, machine bla bla bla ? Shouldn't these thing be govern by another government agency like food control and safety department?

Don't get me wrong but sometimes these thing can be very frustrated. You know halal certificate got expired date one and the expiration date was kinda fast like 1-2 years only sometimes even 6 month nia. So how? Stop selling or just take off the halal logo from the product once the certificate becomes expire? Many times it got delay to renew their certificate because JAKIM are slowpoke especially in onsite checking.

My dad work as food supplier to restaurant and hotel and these hotel have a stricter rule when it comes to halal certificate. When you sell certain product which got the halal logo certificate on the product and the product is definitely made by Malay company (quite established, old andfamous brand) it will still regards as non-halal. They will need you to give them a real certification then only it will regards it as halal.

So you need to actually call your supplier or you check online yourself or you call the company itself. If after all these and you still can't get the halal certificate (happens many time) then you can't sell it to them. For example got once my dad supply them kicap kipas udang manis and the halal certificate already expired but they are under the process of renewing and it shouldn't have any problem because it is a well known Malay brand. The hotel refuse to say it is halal and say want full refund and ask us take it back. After we got it the next few days then they said ok give me those kicap back and we send them the totally same batch and same kicap we collect from them and its no problem. WTF

Also the halal thing is getting ridiculous. I encountered some hotel purchasing officer ask me whether we got egg's halal certificate.

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QUOTE(NGFN @ Oct 18 2016, 03:28 AM)
No offence to those people who care so much about the halal certificate but sometimes i find this to be really confusing. Shouldn't the JAKIM should have just check whether the product was halal or not like check whether it contain babi DNA or the cow/lamb/chicken was killed in proper way and then only give halal certificate? Why they need to govern the whole manufacturing process like eg. cleanliness, machine bla bla bla ? Shouldn't these thing be govern by another government agency like food control and safety department?

Don't get me wrong but sometimes these thing can be very frustrated. You know halal certificate got expired date one and the expiration date was kinda fast like 1-2 years only sometimes even 6 month nia. So how? Stop selling or just take off the halal logo from the product once the certificate becomes expire? Many times it got delay to renew their certificate because JAKIM are slowpoke especially in onsite checking.

My dad work as food supplier to restaurant and hotel and these hotel have a stricter rule when it comes to halal certificate. When you sell certain product which got the halal logo certificate on the product and the product is definitely made by Malay company (quite established, old andfamous brand) it will still regards as non-halal. They will need you to give them a real certification then only it will regards it as halal.

So you need to actually call your supplier or you check online yourself or you call the company itself. If after all these and you still can't get the halal certificate (happens many time) then you can't sell it to them. For example got once my dad supply them kicap kipas udang manis and the halal certificate already expired but they are under the process of renewing and it shouldn't have any problem because it is a well known Malay brand. The hotel refuse to say it is halal and say want full refund and ask us take it back. After we got it the next few days then they said ok give me those kicap back and we send them the totally same batch and same kicap we collect from them and its no problem. WTF

Also the halal thing is getting ridiculous. I encountered some hotel purchasing officer ask me whether we got egg's halal certificate.
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Sorry to hear that. I think a little duit kopi o usually speeds up the process right?
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ITs just like root-beer tak halal cause it has the word "beer" in it

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Biggest mafia in Malaysia at work.. as long as you pay anything can be certified halal.
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Tarik lesen Ramly hotdog* lor then doh.gif

BTW this is why A&W root beer is now labelled A&W sarsiparilla... though other brands like Frost/Mug for example still call it Rut Bir. I can't decide which is stupider.

*those tepi jalan, bazar ramadhan etc all don't need Jakim cert huh. Yet every time belambakan orang beli tanpa fikir doh.gif
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Good response from both side.
A good muslim who did their work and went for the source for truth about the status. On the other side, a good muslim representing the company providing fact and reasonable response to why its been rejected. Win-win.
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QUOTE(NGFN @ Oct 18 2016, 03:28 AM)
No offence to those people who care so much about the halal certificate but sometimes i find this to be really confusing. Shouldn't the JAKIM should have just check whether the product was halal or not like check whether it contain babi DNA or the cow/lamb/chicken was killed in proper way and then only give halal certificate? Why they need to govern the whole manufacturing process like eg. cleanliness, machine bla bla bla ? Shouldn't these thing be govern by another government agency like food control and safety department?

Don't get me wrong but sometimes these thing can be very frustrated. You know halal certificate got expired date one and the expiration date was kinda fast like 1-2 years only sometimes even 6 month nia. So how? Stop selling or just take off the halal logo from the product once the certificate becomes expire? Many times it got delay to renew their certificate because JAKIM are slowpoke especially in onsite checking.

My dad work as food supplier to restaurant and hotel and these hotel have a stricter rule when it comes to halal certificate. When you sell certain product which got the halal logo certificate on the product and the product is definitely made by Malay company (quite established, old andfamous brand) it will still regards as non-halal. They will need you to give them a real certification then only it will regards it as halal.

So you need to actually call your supplier or you check online yourself or you call the company itself. If after all these and you still can't get the halal certificate (happens many time) then you can't sell it to them. For example got once my dad supply them kicap kipas udang manis and the halal certificate already expired but they are under the process of renewing and it shouldn't have any problem because it is a well known Malay brand. The hotel refuse to say it is halal and say want full refund and ask us take it back. After we got it the next few days then they said ok give me those kicap back and we send them the totally same batch and same kicap we collect from them and its no problem. WTF

Also the halal thing is getting ridiculous. I encountered some hotel purchasing officer ask me whether we got egg's halal certificate.
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Haha...and the mamak guy who use their feet to make roti canai r halal.
tats wat happens when uneducated ppl give their own take on religious guidelines.
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Good response from both side.
A good muslim who did their work and went for the source for truth about the status. On the other side, a good muslim representing the company providing fact and reasonable response to why its been rejected. Win-win.
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woah, calm down with the logical level headed response bro.

What should we do with our pitchforks and torches now? /s

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QUOTE(NGFN @ Oct 18 2016, 03:28 AM)
No offence to those people who care so much about the halal certificate but sometimes i find this to be really confusing. Shouldn't the JAKIM should have just check whether the product was halal or not like check whether it contain babi DNA or the cow/lamb/chicken was killed in proper way and then only give halal certificate? Why they need to govern the whole manufacturing process like eg. cleanliness, machine bla bla bla ? Shouldn't these thing be govern by another government agency like food control and safety department?

Don't get me wrong but sometimes these thing can be very frustrated. You know halal certificate got expired date one and the expiration date was kinda fast like 1-2 years only sometimes even 6 month nia. So how? Stop selling or just take off the halal logo from the product once the certificate becomes expire? Many times it got delay to renew their certificate because JAKIM are slowpoke especially in onsite checking.

My dad work as food supplier to restaurant and hotel and these hotel have a stricter rule when it comes to halal certificate. When you sell certain product which got the halal logo certificate on the product and the product is definitely made by Malay company (quite established, old andfamous brand) it will still regards as non-halal. They will need you to give them a real certification then only it will regards it as halal.

So you need to actually call your supplier or you check online yourself or you call the company itself. If after all these and you still can't get the halal certificate (happens many time) then you can't sell it to them. For example got once my dad supply them kicap kipas udang manis and the halal certificate already expired but they are under the process of renewing and it shouldn't have any problem because it is a well known Malay brand. The hotel refuse to say it is halal and say want full refund and ask us take it back. After we got it the next few days then they said ok give me those kicap back and we send them the totally same batch and same kicap we collect from them and its no problem. WTF

Also the halal thing is getting ridiculous. I encountered some hotel purchasing officer ask me whether we got egg's halal certificate.
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- periodical audit within cert period (spot check)

- halal is not just about ingredient, end-to-end from supplier to handler to kitchen to packaging and display. no use if using halal this and that but kitchen is cross-contaminate with other non-halal storage and cooking, or sold together with alcohol. this is where most hotels kantoi.

- your "expired" supply can affect their own halal certification during audit on the hotel. every level in the chain.
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QUOTE(NGFN @ Oct 18 2016, 03:28 AM)
No offence to those people who care so much about the halal certificate but sometimes i find this to be really confusing. Shouldn't the JAKIM should have just check whether the product was halal or not like check whether it contain babi DNA or the cow/lamb/chicken was killed in proper way and then only give halal certificate? Why they need to govern the whole manufacturing process like eg. cleanliness, machine bla bla bla ? Shouldn't these thing be govern by another government agency like food control and safety department?

Don't get me wrong but sometimes these thing can be very frustrated. You know halal certificate got expired date one and the expiration date was kinda fast like 1-2 years only sometimes even 6 month nia. So how? Stop selling or just take off the halal logo from the product once the certificate becomes expire? Many times it got delay to renew their certificate because JAKIM are slowpoke especially in onsite checking.

My dad work as food supplier to restaurant and hotel and these hotel have a stricter rule when it comes to halal certificate. When you sell certain product which got the halal logo certificate on the product and the product is definitely made by Malay company (quite established, old andfamous brand) it will still regards as non-halal. They will need you to give them a real certification then only it will regards it as halal.

So you need to actually call your supplier or you check online yourself or you call the company itself. If after all these and you still can't get the halal certificate (happens many time) then you can't sell it to them. For example got once my dad supply them kicap kipas udang manis and the halal certificate already expired but they are under the process of renewing and it shouldn't have any problem because it is a well known Malay brand. The hotel refuse to say it is halal and say want full refund and ask us take it back. After we got it the next few days then they said ok give me those kicap back and we send them the totally same batch and same kicap we collect from them and its no problem. WTF

Also the halal thing is getting ridiculous. I encountered some hotel purchasing officer ask me whether we got egg's halal certificate.
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I share some of your sentiments.

some of the requirements are getting rediciulous.

not only egg, but even water.

oh and recently it was ice (!) after news broke out that some ice suppliers are using dirty water.
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QUOTE(NGFN @ Oct 18 2016, 03:28 AM)
Also the halal thing is getting ridiculous. I encountered some hotel purchasing officer ask me whether we got egg's halal certificate.
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Coz egg come out from chicken butthole and some times will be tainted with 'najis'. this is haram unless the egg is cleaned (i.e. removing the chicken shit on the egg shell)

why i know this? there this burger stall near my workplace who advertising the egg he use is halal and no 'najis'
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omfg then 1906 Hot Dog no halal cert!!!?
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Response from Auntie Anne's Halal Exec.
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well thats refreshing, all parties conducted themselves professionally.
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QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Oct 18 2016, 07:37 AM)
woah, calm down with the logical level headed response bro.

What should we do with our pitchforks and torches now? /s
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gerai burger tepi jalan jual Hot Dog Special.....apa crittaa?

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But but hot doge??
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1901 hotdog have to close shop liao
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protek ajelah...asalkan takde status halal memang tak boleh..!!!!


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QUOTE(cicak.fakir @ Oct 18 2016, 08:51 AM)
- periodical audit within cert period (spot check)

- halal is not just about ingredient, end-to-end from supplier to handler to kitchen to packaging and display. no use if using halal this and that but kitchen is cross-contaminate with other non-halal storage and cooking, or sold together with alcohol. this is where most hotels kantoi.

- your "expired" supply can affect their own halal certification during audit on the hotel. every level in the chain.
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How to check? If your company selling thousand of item and you need thousand of halal certificate and all halal certificate have different expire date. Just go to any mini market and you ask them whether they got all the halal certificate or not... they will kick you out even if they are malay.

then why need double work? If i do a food related business then i will need to get a license from Malaysia's food safety standard agency (government agency who checks the hygiene) Once i got the license and I wish to apply for Halal certificate, i can just show JAKIM about my food safety license to them and they check my product halal or not. That license is like pre-requirement for halal application. wouldn't that be more logic?

What is the purpose If I apply for Halal certificate which basically do all the thing where Malaysia's food safety standard agency do. Can i skip the license from Malaysia's food safety standard agency if i only apply for Halal cert?

I won't blame the hotel who demand for halal certificate because this is very sensitive issue to them (we all know why). The problem here is if they really want to set a halal system then they will need to make sure everything is in good system. For now it is still messy and confusing.
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bertuah malaysia ada jakim sepandai ini. majulah malaysia.
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QUOTE(Volfeed @ Oct 18 2016, 12:15 AM)
No more dog. Tinggal chicken coney / beef coney aje.  laugh.gif
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Nineh punya jakim kacau la.
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meanwhile smoking is halal
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i think you guys don't fully understand. in malaysia the concept is halalan toyyiban. meaning not only the food is halal, but the preparation everything is clean and safe

better think first whether the money you used to buy those foods came from halal source or not brows.gif
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every organization should stop contributing to jakim for halal certification. Go apply halal from arab country. Guarantee halal yang tulen from arab.
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QUOTE(NGFN @ Oct 18 2016, 08:13 PM)
How to check? If your company selling thousand of item and you need thousand of halal certificate and all halal certificate have different expire date. Just go to any mini market and you ask them whether they got all the halal certificate or not... they will kick you out even if they are malay.

then why need double work? If i do a food related business then i will need to get a license from Malaysia's food safety standard agency (government agency who checks the hygiene) Once i got the license and I wish to apply for Halal certificate, i can just show JAKIM about my food safety license to them and they check my product halal or not. That license is like pre-requirement for halal application. wouldn't that be more logic?

What is the purpose If I apply for Halal certificate which basically do all the thing where Malaysia's food safety standard agency do. Can i skip the license from Malaysia's food safety standard agency if i only apply for Halal cert?

I won't blame the hotel who demand for halal certificate because this is very sensitive issue to them (we all know why). The problem here is if they really want to set a halal system then they will need to make sure everything is in good system. For now it is still messy and confusing.
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