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post Oct 15 2016, 02:57 PM, updated 10y ago

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Is anyone doing this routine or have done this routine before? It is a 4 day program, and it is an upper lower split. More details of it can be found here: PHUL.

I'm planning to start PHUL after I'm done with Starting Strength/Stronglifts, which is the current program I am doing. I posted the whole PHUL routine in the spoiler below in case u do not want to go to the link above. I would love to hear from you all about what you think of the routine.

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post Oct 16 2016, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Oct 16 2016, 03:38 AM)
Well, its a good transition from beginner to intermetiate and all the way to advance lifters. And its a good power and hypertrophy hybrid training style.

Its all about whether you can stick to the program and track your progression, And ofcourse, your diet in check.
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So you've heard of this routine and also SS/Stronglifts? My lifts for squats, deadlifts etc. are not intermediate level yet(quite close to intermediate), but I plan to switch to PHUL already although PHUL is an intermediate program. I've been doing SS and adding weight to the bar each workout for the past 3 months while eating a lot, and my weight has increased a lot. I don't think I can continue adding weight to the bar each workout and I'm tired from squatting 3 times a week. I also want to bulk for the first 1 1/2 month on PHUL, and then the next 1 1/2 month on PHUL I'll cut to decrease bodyfat. What do you think?

QUOTE(axtray @ Oct 16 2016, 11:10 AM)
Squat and deadlift on the same day is the only thing I don't like about it.
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You've done this routine before? Maybe I can switch deadlift to day 5(lower hypertrophy)

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post Oct 19 2016, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Oct 17 2016, 02:59 PM)
this more or less like candito linear progress strength/hyperthrophy program BUT d major different is this 1 r more towards hyperthrophy.... look at d volume...

m more concern on how would d progression like.
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Yeah the progression isn't really stated. It's up to the lifter I guess.

QUOTE(alien9 @ Oct 17 2016, 05:26 PM)
OR you can try Power Hypertrophy Adaptive Training (PHAT) by Dr. Layne Norton. 5 times a week training, separate Power day and Hypertrophy Day.

You can read more HERE.
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Have u tried PHAT before? I choose PHUL because I can only workout 4x a week for now. After doing PHUL for a few months or after I stop seeing gains, then I might switch to PHAT which is 5x a week.

But these two programs, PHUL and PHAT, does not have a fixed progression. It doesn't tell us when to increase weight. If you were doing either one of this programs, how would u progress on the lifts?
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post Oct 19 2016, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(Miracles @ Oct 19 2016, 11:31 AM)
I did PHAT. PHUL & PHAT are quite similar in a way.

Please stick to PHUL for at least 6 months to see gainz. Not just 3 months or lesser

To progress on the lifts, if you are able to bench 100kg x 5 on power days with ease, then increase weight.

During next session if you only manage 105kg x 3, then continue to work it till you can do 105kg x 5. If you succeed, increase weight again.
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I was checking out the PHAT routine here. I notice there is no barbell bench press and barbell overhead press given in the sample routine. Only squats, stiff-legged deadlifts, and pendlay/bent over rows. How long did u do PHAT by the way?

PHUL has squats,deadlifts,overhead press,bench press and barbell rows. Upper power day has barbell bench press and barbell overhead press.

For bench press, the sets/reps are 3-4 sets,3-5 reps. For overhead press, it is 2-3 sets,5-8 reps. Is it up to me whether I want to do 3 sets or 4 sets for bench press?



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post Nov 12 2016, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Miracles @ Oct 19 2016, 05:29 PM)
I did PHAT for about a year and now switched to PPL. I started with ASBR. The progress was fking slow. The fixed progression sucks.

It's just a template. You can always mix it up.What I did was replaced it with barbell bench press for power days. Then on hypertrophy days, I would switch around barbell/dumbbells.

Personally, if I were to do 3 sets instead of 4, I would lift heavier or more reps

I always do 5x5 for my compound movements (power days).
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In PHUL, for the 5 main lifts, I thought of using 5/3/1 progression. What do u think?

QUOTE(Wolger @ Nov 1 2016, 01:43 PM)
I'm doing almost similar routine, focusing on the 4 major lifts so 4 workouts per week/upper lower body split..5/3/1 Wendler, boring but big sets variant

I'm on the 3rd Cycle now, each cycle got 3 training weeks + 1 week deload.

I'm trying to understand deeper how it works and in the midst of reading Jim Wendler's first book and later plan to read Beyond 531 Wendler..

I SWEAR by it..my numbers are improving across the major lifts..

3 sets of warm-up, 3 sets of work sets and and finished by boring but bit sets 5 sets of 10 reps at 50% of your 1RM..so total includingwarmups are like 11 sets..and complement with other accessories BB lifts.

your work sets are like 80-90% of your 1RM...and the last work set/3rd set you give all out..see how far you can go...

On the other thread, I bitched about how I could BP only 80kgx2, now I can do 80kgx9, 85kgx6...strict military press from 40kg..now I can do reps at 4RM = 65kg with ease..squat 6RM 100kg

tested real 1RM before 531 Wendler, BP95kg, MP70KG, DL140kg, SQ110kg and now my calculated/theoretically 1RM is BP104kg, MP74KG, DL158kg, SQ120kg

target 12cycles/1year is BP157kg, MP128KG, DL198kg, SQ169kg but no way I could achieve the targeted BP and MP numbers lol - can always take a step back and regenerate routine if stalling

I think the BBBS really stimulated by muscle growth..using Five3One Pro Sarasoft app..
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You're doing 5/3/1? What do you think of the monthly progression?

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post Nov 24 2016, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(Wolger @ Nov 22 2016, 04:26 PM)
You mean the overall program or my progress?
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I mean the overall program. 5/3/1/ is monthly progression, where you add 5lbs/10lbs to your upper/lower body lifts respectively only once a month. Whereas programs like Starting Strength/Stronglifts adds 5lbs every workout session. Though Starting Strength/Stronglifts are aimed towards novices, while 5/3/1 are more towards advanced lifters I think.

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