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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) Se7en, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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AIYH
post Oct 16 2016, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 08:44 PM)
I found a "stupid way" haha biggrin.gif

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/plann...tor.svdo?step=2

thanks bro, I got it now. It's all about NAV, dividends paid out or not also about NAV laugh.gif
dividends paid out eventually reinvested so I got more units = more wealth rclxm9.gif

am I right? (or wrong again??)
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THe method is the 1st type of ROI I mentioned, i.e. the total return throughout your investment period without annualized and multiple investment

more units =/= more weatlh, else you will kena whack by some fsm sifu laugh.gif

simply speaking, depends on the return later, more units is like a double edge sword, you can earn more when NAV up, so as losing more when NAV down laugh.gif
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post Oct 16 2016, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 16 2016, 08:51 PM)
THe method is the 1st type of ROI I mentioned, i.e. the total return throughout your investment period without annualized and multiple investment

more units =/= more weatlh, else you will kena whack by some fsm sifu  laugh.gif

simply speaking, depends on the return later, more units is like a double edge sword, you can earn more when NAV up, so as losing more when NAV down  laugh.gif
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yeah you're right.

then how can I know "how much I've earn" (this year) from my investment into a vp UT?
this is the most confusing part for me.. because everything isn't FIX and fluctuate enough like stock.. rclxub.gif

stock normally I "goreng", I don't care abt the dividends or not.. buy low sell high, that's it. For me it's holding power/ability.

but how about UT? what kind of indicators can be use in my strategy to invest, to hold, or to let go? (cut lost)

because UT return is not "fast/fluctuate" like stocks, it's some kind of savings imo. I would like to learn how to invest in UT instead of looking for tips.. (this "looking/listen" to tips cost me so much in the early years of stock trading..)

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post Oct 16 2016, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 09:05 PM)
then how can I know "how much I've earn" (this year) from my investment into a vp UT?
this is the most confusing part for me.. because everything isn't FIX and fluctuate enough like stock..

stock normally is goreng, I don't care abt the dividends or not.. buy low sell high, that's it.

but how about UT? what kind of indicators can be use in my strategy to invest, to hold, or to let go? (cut lost)
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For that i think you need to keep a personal record excel to calculate it smile.gif

Not sure about that, personally I invest in UT for long term (I still very young biggrin.gif), plus if I need to do it like stocks, I might as well go learn to invest stocks and forex laugh.gif

Generally, UT investment strategy, the internal content was handled by the fund manager, so IMHO, what we can do is understand the UT itself, does the region or sector or instrument the fund invested suit your style/teste, benhcmark against its peer then decide to hold, invest more or sell off biggrin.gif

Others may be have different opinion to it, but thats my view as I am still new laugh.gif
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post Oct 16 2016, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 06:53 PM)
that's why they said harom... blush.gif
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Incorrect
The rationale for the non full disclosure is to avoid investor calculate the actual NAV at the closing of financial year end
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post Oct 16 2016, 10:42 PM

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Just realized ASx thread no more pined like it used too..
Guess it's not important like previously blush.gif
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post Oct 16 2016, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 06:53 PM)
may I know what's this 100 bucks for?
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post Oct 16 2016, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 08:48 PM)
do it via pensuruh jaya?  biggrin.gif
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Normally how much it cost hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2016, 07:06 PM)
In my opinion not worth it as
(i) we won't be sure how amanah saham return is in the future
(ii) your kid will be charged a few % commission when the transfer is done
(iii) if I am not mistaken, there's a yearly fees
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i) Y u try so hard to top up since u dunno the returns from 2017 onwards
ii) U expect them to execute FOC for u? Anyway, their rate is the most competitive in town
iii) Their yearly fees of RM10 is too nominal n negligible if on mthly basis
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post Oct 16 2016, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2016, 07:06 PM)
In my opinion not worth it as
(i) we won't be sure how amanah saham return is in the future
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Withdraw now as u don't know the future return.. Can change to VP...
Move all to FSM rclxm9.gif
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post Oct 16 2016, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 16 2016, 09:14 PM)
For that i think you need to keep a personal record excel to calculate it smile.gif

Not sure about that, personally I invest in UT for long term (I still very young  biggrin.gif), plus if I need to do it like stocks, I might as well go learn to invest stocks and forex  laugh.gif

Generally, UT investment strategy, the internal content was handled by the fund manager, so IMHO, what we can do is understand the UT itself, does the region or sector or instrument the fund invested suit your style/teste, benhcmark against its peer then decide to hold, invest more or sell off  biggrin.gif

Others may be have different opinion to it, but thats my view as I am still new  laugh.gif
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Your pov is same like ppl who looking into "fundamental" of stock such as financial statements, ratios, and microeconomic of the business/industry.

Good young man you're, save/plan from now=bittef now, but secure in the future.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 16 2016, 11:09 PM)
Withdraw now as u don't know the future return.. Can change to VP...
Move all to FSM rclxm9.gif
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lol please sell some to us,
fsm ut, asx fp, stocks are all hugely dependants on "how's the local market" unless invest abroad.

Just my dua sen.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 16 2016, 10:42 PM)
Just realized ASx thread no more pined like it used too..
Guess it's not important like previously blush.gif
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moved to fsm + property perhaps (rumawip + bukitjalil buy buy buy) up up up kemudian!
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 16 2016, 10:34 PM)
Incorrect
The rationale for the non full disclosure is to avoid investor calculate the actual NAV at the closing of financial year end
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Calculated= cheating? Sort of?
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 11:18 PM)
moved to fsm + property perhaps (rumawip + bukitjalil buy buy buy) up up up kemudian!
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Win rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 11:16 PM)
lol please sell some to us,
fsm ut, asx fp, stocks are all hugely dependants on "how's the local market" unless invest abroad.

Just my dua sen.
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KGF kan ada.. The best performing fund rclxms.gif

QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 11:18 PM)
moved to fsm + property perhaps (rumawip + bukitjalil buy buy buy) up up up kemudian!
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Lolz u stalking me ah bruce.gif
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post Oct 16 2016, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(annas473 @ Oct 16 2016, 11:23 PM)
Win rclxms.gif
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But low and flip high high, I can't wait to be millionaire! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 16 2016, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 16 2016, 11:24 PM)
KGF kan ada.. The best performing fund rclxms.gif
Lolz u stalking me ah bruce.gif
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KGF is king of ut!

Lolz bro you were everywhere, you're everywhere biggrin.gif
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post Oct 17 2016, 02:45 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 16 2016, 11:04 PM)
i) Y u try so hard to top up since u dunno the returns from 2017 onwards
ii) U expect them to execute FOC for u? Anyway, their rate is the most competitive in town
iii) Their yearly fees of RM10 is too nominal n negligible if on mthly basis
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(i) How many years you want to pay yearly fees? 20-30 years? What happen if in between ASX FP change to VP/not performing/inflation in Malaysia creep up until = return given by ASX FP? If anything happen, can cabut anytime I like.
(ii) One time fees + that yearly fees still can stomach. But not the % amount charged (parents words - not mine)
(iii) True. But look at the % charged.

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post Oct 17 2016, 05:35 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 11:18 PM)
Calculated= cheating? Sort of?
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Since FP only dependent on distribution, NAV performance is irrelevant.

They dont disclose in case people go and calculate then track every year see how many surplus/deficit they have compare to what they declare as distribution.

If year year surplus, but declare distribution still the same, on the surface they called it reserve, behind ... you know the money go where le brows.gif
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 11:18 PM)
moved to fsm + property perhaps (rumawip + bukitjalil buy buy buy) up up up kemudian!
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Property near future not so bright at the moment...

Nowadays hardly see anyone buying ASX FP?

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