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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) Se7en, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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wil-i-am
post Oct 18 2016, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 18 2016, 03:22 PM)
Have to apply and submit in HQ?
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Can perform via ASNB branches too
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post Oct 18 2016, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 18 2016, 03:31 PM)
Where to get the empty form? Do we need to stamp the completed form by commissioner of oath?
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U can download form from their website or fill-up on the spot
U can ask them to settle for u on 'COA' for a nominal fees
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post Oct 19 2016, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 19 2016, 01:48 PM)
I have zero FD now. ASX:EPF:stocks:eGIA:UT is 380:120:20:5:1. When I retire n fulltime in managing my money, hopefully can rebalance to 200:100:0:5:200. A big portion will be moved to UT.
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I dun understand those numbers
Can u enlighten?
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post Oct 19 2016, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 19 2016, 03:11 PM)
Those are just ratios.
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I tot ratios in aggregate shld b 100%? hmm.gif
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post Oct 19 2016, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 19 2016, 06:43 PM)
UT on bonds should be more consistent on return and less risky than equity?
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Yes but the returns almost similar to FD rates
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post Oct 20 2016, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 20 2016, 07:47 AM)
What I am trying (looks like I have to try VERY HARD) to highlight here is the danger in taking good things for granted. What if one day they stop this FP and move to VP? So be prepared should the day come.
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Y u worry so much
We'll cross that bridge when we get there
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post Oct 20 2016, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(yygo @ Oct 20 2016, 10:31 AM)
not wen u lose all or half of ur $$. better worry early. bruce.gif  cool2.gif
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I presume potential investor wud have tot on tis point b4 invest
Thus, 'worry' won't arise at all when u have decided to put the initial or top up sum
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post Oct 20 2016, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Oct 19 2016, 07:23 PM)
AMCONSTANT MULTI MATURITY 2. Already matured early this year.

The best is Public Mutual. Invested 100k in 2000, by 2014 4.4X. But after that, keeping the same value until now.  doh.gif

Thinking of whether to move it elsewhere !  biggrin.gif
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Almost all PM's funds is not doing well lately
Perhaps, u may engage your Agent to advise u
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 20 2016, 11:00 AM)
when equity market in down sentiment, UT also heading south .... am i right?  confused.gif
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Generally yes but individual stock selection will react otherwise
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 20 2016, 11:02 AM)
Yes and yes, but PM somehow lag behind compare to other fund houses... wonder why?  rclxub.gif
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I presume either staff pinching within UT industry or existing fund manager failed to think out of the box
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Oct 20 2016, 11:09 AM)
Have been just leaving it there and after 14 years, found 4.4X. Then only now realize last 2 years still same as 2 years ago value. Agent also hibernating as after initial investment, never touch it. Thinking of changing agent.  biggrin.gif
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Did u calculate wat is the annualised returns or IRR?
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 20 2016, 11:14 AM)
if we are using rule of 72..... for a 6% of return rate..... 72/6 = 12
it will require 12 years to double your investment .....

presume this year 2016, you have a 10,000 units...

by year if 2028, you will have 20,000 units ......  so worth or not worth it smile.gif
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Rule of 72 is purely academic
If u use 4% benchmark (i.e factor in ups n downs), your investment will double in 18 years
Can u tolerate 18 years?
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 20 2016, 11:27 AM)
11.16%
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I wud say anything above 10% is awesome as it went thru few crisis
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 20 2016, 11:31 AM)
Sorry may be i am financial noob, so don't know how to calculate IRR (Internal Return Rate?).....
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No worry
U can google for assistance

QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 20 2016, 11:32 AM)
err.... 18 years....? isn;t that ASx so far with > 6% since it launched.....
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I'm referring to other UT's product instead of ASx
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 20 2016, 11:41 AM)
WB has an 20 over % return rate along the years... each time in his letter to the investor , he mentioned this... and is he still the great investor..... as lately heard this few years ...not hitting 20 over % , am i right?

anyway i do not ASx with consistent return of 6.x% for first 5 years and next second 5 years, and the last 3rd 5 years... then i would be very-very happy already smile.gif
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If u compare WB with ordinary Ppl, u r comparing yourself against Usain Bolt in 100m
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Oct 20 2016, 11:44 AM)
Not that specialized. If say 14 years, 4.4X return. But stagnant for 2 years. So lets say 16 years 4.4X return, what is the IRR ?

My UT holding is the highest in PM. Next ASX, FP and ASG, then CB UT keeping my Citigold status. Lowest in CIMB. Hahaha.  biggrin.gif
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Below is example:-
Start date 20/10/2002
Initial investment RM1k
Investment value on 20/10/2016 RM4.4k
IRR = 11.15%

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post Oct 20 2016, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 20 2016, 11:52 AM)
Talking about cabut ...that's not the easy part....all want to cabut at the same time, and they limit each withdrawal only 50k per day,

anyway.....tomorrow is Friday...any good news for ASx, REIT, Property, Equity markets......
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There is no limit on withdrawal if u perform at Banks
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post Oct 20 2016, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 20 2016, 12:00 PM)
Good to hear that...then to cabut at one time should be easy job ..... so only need to know when to cabut if and onlyif the time comes, and by that time this forum will be 1000 post per day...or could be ZERO as all quiet cabut  devil.gif
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Tat day may or may not happen brows.gif
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post Oct 20 2016, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 20 2016, 03:59 PM)
Seems like, still got ppl sold AS1M .... good or bad I ponder ?  hmm.gif
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I presume u familiar with 'one man's meat is another man's poison' brows.gif
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post Oct 20 2016, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Oct 20 2016, 04:25 PM)
Asw 5 figure today
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U r very lucky as it's tough to get

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