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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) Se7en, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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Hansel
post Dec 22 2016, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Dec 22 2016, 02:36 PM)
You must always remember, what goes up must come down, and vice versa. If you want to run away, where to? FD? with measly 3% interest rate? Crisis won't last forever. Sooner or later, the financial market would be on an uptrend again. But when? Well, that's anybody's guess. At the very least, this time around, our economy is still growing, albeit around 4% rate. It's not contracting, fortunately.

Should Trump's pro growth policies manage to lift US growth higher than expected, Malaysia would benefit as well, since we are a trade dependent nation.
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How long does PNB/ASNB think it would take before the financial mkt would go on the uptrend again ? Do they recommend us to wait, since they believed things should be better this time with the economy growing at 4% ?
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post Dec 23 2016, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 22 2016, 04:58 PM)
As long there's people like uu & others to support..
Asnb fund will always be near full most of the time rclxms.gif
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Yes, bro,.... Depositors in Msia will not react so quickly. We still have a lot of time to search around and take out other less profitable investments first. Probably, this is another great advantage of these PNB Funds. We are protected right up to the point of unwinding !

Just look at it in another way : imagine if PNB says you can't withdraw, or says from a certain date, this fund or that fund will turn into a variable-priced fund. Everything is at the jurisdiction of the fund mgrs. Then it will be worse, right ??

Having said the above,... we have to watch the news closely,...

This post has been edited by Hansel: Dec 23 2016, 12:15 PM
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post Dec 24 2016, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Dec 23 2016, 09:37 PM)
today no luck for ASW2020, all full.

who said no demand for PNB fixed fund??
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News has yet to flow down, there will be more units available next year, especially after the ASM dividend payout !
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post Dec 25 2016, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Dec 24 2016, 01:35 PM)
May be PNB has some spies here, and they will give 5% since people are happy with this smile.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 24 2016, 06:08 PM)
Well don't needs to spy here also they know that Malaysian would be happy any rate above given by FD devil.gif

The brand of PNB is very powerful tool..
I hope the new fellow top there don't spoiled the good name..
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For many years, the dividend rate of PNB funds has been well above local banks' FD rates. If, today,... the mgmt of PNB is going to go by the FACT that Malaysians would be happy with anything just above FD rates, then the good times have come to an end.

Too bad,.... sad.gif
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post Dec 25 2016, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Dec 25 2016, 01:13 PM)
How about >3% above bank 12 mth FD board rate ?  hmm.gif
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Well,... I was happy with 6.3% to 6.4%, not anything less. If this drops below 5%, I would work harder to send every sen that I make out of this country. Secondly,.. I wouldn't want to save any of my funds in the Ringgit anymore.
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post Dec 25 2016, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Dec 25 2016, 01:47 PM)
Myself wise, FD highest still running 4.6%. CIMB Klibor got 5.2% for 4 years+ and recalled. Now CIMB bond 5.5%.

So if can get 3.1% (MBB 12 mth board rate) + 3%, >6.1%, will be happy. Sure, the higher the better ! biggrin.gif
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Yes, bro,... thumbsup.gif

Back in 2006/7/8, I used to invest into the Merdeka Savings Bonds,... I recalled which gave 5% pa. I was happy then,... but after that, as I gained more and more knowledge of investments elsewhere and of developing events surrounding our currency and our geopolitics, today, I demand more returns for the risk I am facing in holding the RM, and in letting funds remain inside PNB/Msia.

If these returns that I demand are not met, I will have to look harder elsewhere,... in other words, try harder outside.
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post Dec 26 2016, 12:51 PM

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Prepare to venture into the SGX then. SGX is falling now,.. good times coming, sale is coming !

Open Savings and Brokerage Accounts in SG, study SG REITs and Stocks, convert whenever possible into the SGD.
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post Dec 26 2016, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Dec 26 2016, 01:19 PM)
Can you tell us how to do this? Someone say to me Singapore gomen don't like Malaysian to trade there. Is it simple or complicated registration process? Please share to us to do this easy!
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There are lots of tips in this forum, some of the threads being :-

1) Openinng a Singapore Account.
2) Singapore REITs.
3) SGX Counters.

To start with, I'm not sure abt that statement that Sgp gomen does not like Msians trading there. As long as we follow the rules and practise according to procedures, we should be fine. What we have to be aware of is to ensure that we quickly do the necessary before SG gomen closes its doors.
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post Dec 28 2016, 12:34 PM

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Either the ruling coalition is too confident this time, or someone inside made a bad decision to drop the ASB dividend rate this year !
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post Dec 29 2016, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 29 2016, 05:19 PM)
well most of us won't target AS1M  devil.gif

only ASW2020 or ASM  tongue.gif  blush.gif  cool2.gif

that's why no updates for AS1M  bruce.gif
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If nobody buys AS1M and someone sells, PNB 'makan' since it is fixed price, right ??
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post Dec 29 2016, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 29 2016, 06:32 PM)
well it's PNB "cancel" the units in circulation smile.gif
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Right,... PNB wouldn't be impacted then,... I just thought that if PNB becomes severely impacted because everybody throws, they might convert AS1M from fixed price to variable price first,... just a passing thought that came to mind.
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post Dec 29 2016, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 29 2016, 06:42 PM)
hmm I'm really sure how many people throw??

but if that were to happen, the worse is declare less dividend rate (5%  rolleyes.gif  puke.gif ) than others funds
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Okay bro,.... smile.gif
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post Dec 31 2016, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 30 2016, 11:19 PM)
There's some uncertainty next year..
Inflation is gonna be high.. Pressure on cost of living..

But people still have trust on PNB & their funds.. Even with lower dividend, most still say its acceptable because most are benchmarking against FD rate which we all know is way lower now..
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IT's just that Msians are not well-informed. They don't know, and for those who know, they don't know what else can they do outside of PNB. IN PNB THEY HAVE TO TRUST !

Happy New Year 2017 to all.
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post Dec 31 2016, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Dec 31 2016, 09:36 PM)
LOL dude.

I feel like you are another dreamer.
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biggrin.gif .. the truth prevails,....
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QUOTE(cklimm @ Jan 1 2017, 04:32 PM)
seems more like 4.9%-5.7% to me
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I think it will definitely be more than 5% !
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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Jan 4 2017, 08:52 PM)
Thanks, my housing loan rate not that high...my current rate is 4.25
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Then obviously put into ASX ! smile.gif
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post Jan 6 2017, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jan 5 2017, 09:31 AM)
Sorry ladies and gents, was away on an extremely long break and just caught up with everything (lots of posts to read). Anyways, here's my views based on the info that I have.

Are PNB/ASNB worried? No. The bumi's are always famous for failing to understand the concept of compounding interest and as such they'll be expecting the normal withdrawal in the first month of 2017 just like all the previous years. People cancelling their ASB loans? I'm of the opinion is better to weed out those who shouldn't be eligible in the first place and have the quality borrowers. 

Should investors be worried? Yes and no. Yes because ASB broke the 7% floor but that's more to do with AWO than anything else. Market participants and my insider contacts says that AWO is not a fan of using/dipping into reserves to prop-up returns unlike their neighbors Tabung Haji. What they make they'll pay out. Internally I believe the benchmark is set for 6% across all funds, I believe I read it in one of the analyst reports.

No because PNB will not allow its bread and butter FPs to drop below 6% (IMHO). EPF and LTH has only just recently breached the 6% and above returns for their funds as previously it was the domain of PNB's funds. The only mistake PNB did is not managing expectations for ASB returns. EPF played it smart by saying much earlier in mid-2016 that savers SHOULD NOT expect returns of 6% and more due to market conditions.

I know all the "press release" or "damage control" stuff flowing out of PNB/ASNB is cliche' but it's the truth. Minimal risk with returns above and beyond anything comparable. The spread between most FDs to FPs is still 2% at the very least while the spread between ASB returns and BLR/BFR is still almost 2% too so "apa lagi malaysians mahu?" to paraphrase a previous headline.

I mean come on guys, KLCI did go -ve in returns for the past 3 years and that's a fact. I'm in the camp that believes our "real" inflation rate is 4 to 5% rather than the quoted 1.8% CPI so the returns are still "competitive" (as per PNB's statements) as compared to the risk associated with FPs.

Again, the above are my views so you're most than welcome to agree to disagree  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Tq for your opinions.

I will look forward to your belief being right about internally, the benchmark being set for 6% across ALL funds. We will see in the coming ASM payout at end-March 2017.

You are comparing against among low-risk instruments available in Msia. Let's hope that the PNB FP Funds remains, as I and you have said, low-risk, which ties back to the benchmark of at least 6% returns across all funds.
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post Jan 9 2017, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 9 2017, 01:31 PM)
The rate for 2016 is around 6.3sen
This year could be even lower..
I'm expecting below 6sen hmm.gif
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shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif

RM became weaker,... dividend rate dropped too ????? This is a double-whammy, bro,................
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post Jan 9 2017, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 9 2017, 03:01 PM)
I simpan usd now ad srs

Having hardship to kumpul
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QUOTE(lscplzlh @ Jan 10 2017, 09:32 AM)
By Adam Aziz / theedgemarkets.com  | January 9, 2017 : 7:15 PM MYT   

KUALA LUMPUR (Jan 9): Permodalan National Bhd (PNB) will continue to focus on domestic investments in 2017, particularly in equities, on the back of expectation of stability returning to the market this year.

Nevertheless, the scale of its international ventures is likely to grow in time, PNB group chairman Tan Sri Abdul Wahid said.

"At the moment our investment in the international property and equity account for only 2% of our total portfolio. From time to time, we do look into diversifying our overseas investment.

"I think in time the number will increase, but the bulk of our investment will remain in Malaysia. Our unitholders would like to see more investment in the Malaysian economy." Abdul Wahid said.

Abdul Wahid spoke to the press today after a ceremony to appoint AmBank Group Bhd as an official agent of Amanah Saham Nasional Bhd.

Currently, the nation's biggest unit trust fund is highly dependent on the local economy, with 98% of its funds invested in the domestic market, most of which is funnelled into the nation's stock market.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/p...investment-2017
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jan 10 2017, 10:15 AM)
stocks are relatively cheap at the moment but I don't dare invest. Can get heart attack looking at my portfolio sinking. bye.gif

I trust PNB to invest for me  nod.gif smile.gif
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Come to think of it,... this is also the way I adopt,... I don't invest directly into the BSKL (though I tried earlier and when I couldn't key in my orders with Maybank Secs, I gave up),...

Just a side note : Frankly, I tried to invest into the local BSKL earlier, wanting to bring back my funds from overseas. I am too used to using internet purchases to trade. I experienced a lot of problems with Maybank Secs platform,..

When I asked for help, the helpdesk said it's like that. Ca't change anything,... I said I hoped to bring back my funds into to invest nearer,... Maybank Securities told me NOT to do so !

So,.. inadvertently, I go with PNB to invest into the local BSKL. I might stay longer if the divvy rate stays above 6%. Otherwise, it will be messy to go change money every now and then when I received my income in Msia.

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